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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #990 on: September 18, 2017, 11:07:31 PM »
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  • Why do you imagine that sunrise and sunset have anything at all to do with the moon's phases?? Sunrise and sunset times have to do with one thing only: perspective at your location.
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    The past full moon on the 7th has the moon's rise happening 30 minutes are the sun sets, and then the full moon was clearly visible in the sky the next morning at its set and the sun had been up for about an hour.
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    That has literally NOTHING to do with the phase.
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    Perhaps you would like to reply without being rudely interrupted.
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    Sunrise and sunset are part of the sun's cycle, which is the cause of the moon's phases. If it were not for the sun's cycle the moon would have no phases.
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    The moon's phases are consequent to the location of the observer and the location of the sun and moon. We can presume for present purposes that the observer is always on the earth. 
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    But interestingly, it makes no difference in fact WHERE the observer is on earth, the moon's phase at a given moment is always the same, from ALL OVER THE EARTH, which would not be the case if the earth were "flat" as you claim.
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    The time after or before sunset that the moon rises depends on where you are on the earth, however. It's not the same topic.
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    Offline Tradplorable

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #991 on: September 19, 2017, 08:04:23 AM »
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    The moon's phases are consequent to the location of the observer and the location of the sun and moon. 
    The moon's phases do not change for any observer on earth, except that they are mirror-imaged from the southern hemisphere. This is due to perspective on the flat plane of earth. You still have shown a total lack of ability to grasp the Law of Perspective, even though you have been given many videos explaining it.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #992 on: September 19, 2017, 12:36:13 PM »
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  • The moon's phases do not change for any observer on earth, except that they are mirror-imaged from the southern hemisphere. This is due to perspective on the flat plane of earth. You still have shown a total lack of ability to grasp the Law of Perspective, even though you have been given many videos explaining it.
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    The moon's phases change every day for all observers on earth.
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    Are you confused?
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    If the earth were "flat" (as you claim) the moon's phase would be observed differently by someone in Canada compared  to someone's view from Mexico if the moon were overhead the viewer in Mexico, because the Canadian viewer would be looking at the moon from a different angle, changing the appearance of the moon's phase. 
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    If you can't grasp that then you ought to hang it up.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #993 on: October 02, 2017, 11:25:15 PM »
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    The moon is currently in its waxing gibbous phase, having passed through its last quarter phase last week. 
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    That last quarter moon last week was a great opportunity to check the angle between the sun and moon because the quarter moon occurred precisely while the moon was high in the sky when viewed from the USA (or Latin America or Canada, for that matter).
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    Now, as the moon approaches the full moon phase, it's a great time to think about where the sun must be in order for the moon to look this way every day. We see a waxing gibbous moon because the sun is descending lower below the western horizon every day as the moon traverses the sky. 
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    At its maximum, the full moon, the moon would be at the HIGH NOON position, astronomical 12:00, when the sun is at the opposite side of the earth, at astronomical 6:00. Of course, the sun might reach the opposite side at an earlier time or a later time, depending on the cycle for the current month.
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    But one thing is obvious, the sun is not shining horizontally across the earth's surface when we see the full moon.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #994 on: October 03, 2017, 08:24:32 AM »
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  • The moon's phases do not change for any observer on earth, except that they are mirror-imaged from the southern hemisphere. This is due to perspective on the flat plane of earth. You still have shown a total lack of ability to grasp the Law of Perspective, even though you have been given many videos explaining it.
    I don't think it's that he can't grasp the Law of Perspective; rather, he refuses to look at it, and assumes that his observations can only be due to the earth being round and will not consider ANY other perspective. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #995 on: October 03, 2017, 09:36:50 AM »
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    The moon's phases change every day for all observers on earth.
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    Are you confused?
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    If the earth were "flat" (as you claim) the moon's phase would be observed differently by someone in Canada compared  to someone's view from Mexico if the moon were overhead the viewer in Mexico, because the Canadian viewer would be looking at the moon from a different angle, changing the appearance of the moon's phase.
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    If you can't grasp that then you ought to hang it up.
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    Are you retarded? Because you fail reading comprehension.
    The moon's phases DO NOT CHANGE for any observer on earth. Every person, everywhere, always views the same phase of the moon. The ONLY difference is that the image they see is reversed from left to right between the north and the south.
    Yes, Neil Stupidat, we all know the moon's phases change progressively each day in a 28 day cycle. DUH. That is NOT what I am talking about.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #996 on: October 08, 2017, 01:10:59 AM »
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  • Are you retarded? Because you fail reading comprehension.

    The moon's phases DO NOT CHANGE for any observer on earth.

    Every person, everywhere, always views the same phase of the moon.

    The ONLY difference is that the image they see is reversed from left to right between the north and the south.

    Yes, Neil Stupidat, we all know the moon's phases change progressively each day in a 28 day cycle. DUH. That is NOT what I am talking about.
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    Oh, retarded one who fails reading comprehension,
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       The moon's phases DO CHANGE from day to day, all through the month, for all observers on earth.
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    Every person, everywhere, always views the same phase of the moon at any given time - so you got one thing right.
    Congratulations, dunder head.
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    Every person, everywhere, always views the same phase of the moon at any given time - which is utterly impossible on the "flat" earth model.
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    On the "flat" earth model, depending where a person is located on the "flat" earth, he would be looking at a different moon phase, compared to what someone else somewhere else on the "flat" earth model would be seeing. Duuuh.
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    On the "flat" earth model, a man in California with the moon over his head and the sun over the Atlantic Ocean would see a quarter moon since the moon would be illuminated from the side facing the sun to the east, and would NOT be illuminated on its west side which faces away from the sun. But this same moon overhead in California, but viewed from Georgia, would appear to be a full moon over California since in Georgia, the sun behind the viewer's back (east) and the moon to the west over California would appear to the viewer in Georgia illuminated completely by the sun (actually, he would see a moon with a shadow on the BOTTOM since the sun does not shine up on the moon when the sun is 5,000 miles away to the east, and we never see the sun with a shadow on the bottom, therefore the earth is not "flat"). 
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    Whereas in reality, a quarter moon in California is seen as a quarter moon in Georgia too. So the earth cannot be flat.
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    Duuuuh.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #997 on: October 10, 2017, 04:20:49 PM »
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    Oh, retarded one who fails reading comprehension,
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       The moon's phases DO CHANGE from day to day, all through the month, for all observers on earth.
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    Every person, everywhere, always views the same phase of the moon at any given time - so you got one thing right.
    Congratulations, dunder head.
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    Every person, everywhere, always views the same phase of the moon at any given time - which is utterly impossible on the "flat" earth model.
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    On the "flat" earth model, depending where a person is located on the "flat" earth, he would be looking at a different moon phase, compared to what someone else somewhere else on the "flat" earth model would be seeing. Duuuh.
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    On the "flat" earth model, a man in California with the moon over his head and the sun over the Atlantic Ocean would see a quarter moon since the moon would be illuminated from the side facing the sun to the east, and would NOT be illuminated on its west side which faces away from the sun. But this same moon overhead in California, but viewed from Georgia, would appear to be a full moon over California since in Georgia, the sun behind the viewer's back (east) and the moon to the west over California would appear to the viewer in Georgia illuminated completely by the sun (actually, he would see a moon with a shadow on the BOTTOM since the sun does not shine up on the moon when the sun is 5,000 miles away to the east, and we never see the sun with a shadow on the bottom, therefore the earth is not "flat").
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    Whereas in reality, a quarter moon in California is seen as a quarter moon in Georgia too. So the earth cannot be flat.
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    Duuuuh.
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    Flat-earthers have no answer to this huge problem they've made for themselves.
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    They had to go back to the drawing board to make a new plan, because their flat-tardom fails to simple observation.
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    After recognizing the fact that the moon always appears to be in the same phase regardless of the viewer's location on earth, they had to step back and try to come up with some new way of explaining their flat-tardom model which makes moon phases impossible as we see them.
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    So it may have taken a long time for their slow minds to come to grips with the truth, but eventually the truth wins out.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #998 on: October 10, 2017, 04:26:22 PM »
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  • So it may have taken a long time for their slow minds to come to grips with the truth, but eventually the truth wins out.
    For some...

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #999 on: October 10, 2017, 08:51:23 PM »
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  • For some...
    "Depart from me ye accursed..."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1000 on: October 10, 2017, 11:17:36 PM »
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    Flat-earthers have no answer to this huge problem they've made for themselves.
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    They had to go back to the drawing board to make a new plan, because their flat-tardom fails to simple observation.
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    After recognizing the fact that the moon always appears to be in the same phase regardless of the viewer's location on earth, they had to step back and try to come up with some new way of explaining their flat-tardom model which makes moon phases impossible as we see them.
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    So it may have taken a long time for their slow minds to come to grips with the truth, but eventually the truth wins out.
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    Instead of relinking the same youtube videos, and trying to make us as youtube smart as they are, I wish they could put out a working model of their flat earth.  Instead of trying to establish proof of concept with a working model, they just try to poke holes in the accepted scientific models that we use today.  You are right Neil, I would like to hear about their research moon phases, gps, Antarctica, why flight times wouldn't work on flat earth models. While we wait for the flat earth version of Bill Nye to draw up a youtube video, you'll be accused of working for NASA, and we'll all see, Ad Hominem attacks, non-sequitur connections, and the burden of proof be perpetually reversed on the globe earthers.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1001 on: October 11, 2017, 08:28:09 AM »
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  •  and the burden of proof be perpetually reversed on the globe earthers.
    Globetards have no proof. None.
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    Bill Nye is an atheist pervert.
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    If you're looking for someone intelligent to teach you about flat earth, start with P-brane's channel.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1002 on: October 11, 2017, 11:19:47 PM »
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  • Instead of relinking the same youtube videos, and trying to make us as youtube smart as they are, I wish they could put out a working model of their flat earth.  Instead of trying to establish proof of concept with a working model, they just try to poke holes in the accepted scientific models that we use today.  You are right Neil, I would like to hear about their research moon phases, gps, Antarctica, why flight times wouldn't work on flat earth models. While we wait for the flat earth version of Bill Nye to draw up a youtube video, you'll be accused of working for NASA, and we'll all see, Ad Hominem attacks, non-sequitur connections, and the burden of proof be perpetually reversed on the globe earthers.
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    Flat-earthers will never come up with a working model that explains what we see in the sky.
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    The courses the sun and moon make across the sky do not jive with their defective hypothesis.
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    The phases of the moon, observed from various places on the earth, describe a spherical earth, not "flat."
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    The next quarter moon occurs tomorrow morning at 5:27 am in the Pacific time zone (PDT).
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    Therefore both the sun and moon will be visible in the sky at that time in the Eastern USA and in the Central time zone, but not in the Mountain or Pacific time zones.
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    Tomorrow morning at 8:37 am Eastern Daylight Time and at 7:37 Central Daylight Time everyone there can see the Last Quarter moon high in the sky with the sun having risen in the east at 7:05 am.
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    All you need to do is measure the angle between the sun and the moon at that time.
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    You don't need a fancy apparatus to get a very close approximation.
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    If you try to do this in Mountain or Pacific time, it will be later when you can see the sun after sunrise, and the moon's angle to the sun will be a little bit less since the time of the quarter phase will have just passed before the sun rose.
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    It makes no difference whether you are in northern Canada or South America, if you're in those time zones you'll see the same moon phase.
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    In fact, from all over the earth, everyone sees the same moon phase at the same time
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    If the earth were "flat" you would not be seeing the same moon phase from those diverse places.
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    Two weeks ago was an ideal opportunity for everyone in the USA to observe both sun and moon when the moon reached the First Quarter phase.
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    This quarter moon event is a very important time for learning about the relative distances from earth to moon and from earth to sun.
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    Flat-earthers have time and again shown that they have no interest whatsoever in learning this truth.
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    They refuse to pay attention, and they have no idea what they're missing (unless they're deliberately trying to deceive others).
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1003 on: October 12, 2017, 07:48:27 AM »
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    If the earth were "flat" you would not be seeing the same moon phase from those diverse places.
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    WHy don't you explain the reason you imagine this?
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    It shows how ignorant you are and that you have not done even the most cursory reading about the flat earth model.
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    Please show everyone, and include a diagram, of how it is that not everyone would see the same moon phase on the flat plane of earth.
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    I'll wait....
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #1004 on: October 12, 2017, 07:53:29 AM »
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  • What, singular, FE model would that be then?

    I wasn't aware that there was one, that is cohesive, coherent and complete. 

    "Bits of string and gum" ain't it, and don't cut it as any kind of scientific model that I"m aware of.

    A single link will be fine.