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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #915 on: August 21, 2017, 03:07:03 PM »
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    False. The Church never taught the shape of the earth.
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    The shape of the earth was argued by Catholics who based their information on Moses, Enoch, early tradition and scripture.  Globe earth is an aspect of the heliocentric model and has NEVER been associated with the geocentric model.  There are no Catholic Church Fathers or saints who teach globe earth.  Exactly zero.  Some thought it might be the case (after years of indoctrination) but none of them taught it AT ALL.  

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #916 on: August 21, 2017, 03:09:44 PM »
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    All I can say is I've tried to ask a wide variety of questions, hoping for an intelligent discussion.
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    The responses I consistently get from the flat-earthers reveal their lack of knowledge and their pride in that ignorance.
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    They don't know the answers to my simple questions, so they resort to personal, ad-hominem insults, without much basis.
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    One of their newbie clan has been following my posts all around the site hurling silly accusations off-topic. That's called trolling.
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    So flat-earthers are uninformed malicious trolls.  I wish I could be less blatant, but to do so would be less honest.
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    One day when I'm really bored, perhaps I'll make a list of all the simple questions I've asked and all the fatuous, irrelevant, non-sequitur or patently false responses they have provided.  If they're trying to be funny, it hasn't been working for them, except that they're making themselves out to be the joke.
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    The most recent simple question against which flat-earthers rise up against in horror, is the one that asks,
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    "What are sunspots?"                              
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    You see, they have a big problem with this question and others like it, because most of the Internet sites that offer definitions or examples are sites also linking to NASA or other such entities, and flat-earthers bristle with ire against such sources.
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    Perhaps it would be helpful (if flat-earthers were honest it would, that is) to see that sunspots have been observed, noted, recorded, discussed, and tracked for hundreds of years before NASA ever existed.
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    And there are diligent amateur astronomers who are taking excellent photographs of sunspots for all to see, without the help or influence of NASA or other such entities.
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    So you see, sunspots are a big problem for flat-earthers, for these and many more reasons.
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    I can't go into certain reasons because flat-earthers have demonstrated time and again, that as soon as they are informed as to the direction of the discussion at hand (they don't have the comprehension or insight requisite to determine the direction on their own so they need to have someone tell them) then they immediately select one aspect of the material so far presented and repeatedly argue against that, so as to stall the discussion, a lot like Johnny Cochran (O.J.'s defense lawyer) did to disrupt the criminal trial and inject confusion and disorder into the process. Everyone knows he was morally guilty, but the court says he was found innocent, so now if you say he was guilty you can be sued for slander. See how that works?
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    I have taken classes in Logic where the instructor had to ban particular students from the class because they were entirely devoted to upsetting the process of learning that the professor hoped to achieve in his class. In fact, it is because of such malicious students that modern universities have gradually STOPPED traditional Logic classes, and all you'll find today is pedantic reductions into symbolic mathematical formulae instead.
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    Sun spots are phenomena exclusive to an electric light.  The sun is not a gaseous body, but it, and all the luminaries, are electric.  Dark spots are common for lights.  


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #917 on: August 21, 2017, 03:38:56 PM »
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #918 on: August 21, 2017, 05:57:40 PM »
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  • Sun spots are phenomena exclusive to an electric light.  The sun is not a gaseous body, but it, and all the luminaries, are electric.  Dark spots are common for lights.  
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    Sunspots (one word) are phenomena exclusive to an electric light? So they do not occur to an electric light, is what that means.
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    Then you say the sun is an electric light, not a gaseous body (where is your evidence?) but it and all the luminaries are electric, you say.
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    Electric lights were invented just a hundred plus years ago. Was the sun not shining before that?
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    By "the luminaries" you mean what? Prophets? Soothsayers? Or for example, the moon?
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    The next non-sequitur, "Dark spots are common for lights," does not seem to follow.
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    Are you copying and pasting from some other source since you don't have your own answer?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #919 on: August 21, 2017, 06:02:11 PM »
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    Are lit candles also electric lights? 
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    I have regular candles and electric imitation candles. Are they the same thing?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #920 on: August 21, 2017, 06:10:42 PM »
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    Is that guy pretending to be Al Jolson?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #921 on: August 21, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »
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    Like I said, the Church never taught the shape of the earth. Your quotes say nothing about the Church teaching regarding the shape of the earth. There never has been and there never will be any such teaching.
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    Neil, you took the quote of the Church Father out of context by substituting "etc." for his clear rejection of globe theory:
    ....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have
    once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain
    thing by another; but that I sometimes imagine that they either discuss
    philosophy for the sake of a jest, or purposely and knowingly undertake
    to defend falsehoods, as if to exercise or display their talents on
    false subjects.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #922 on: August 21, 2017, 06:17:04 PM »
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  • Just a point of curiosity. Earth aside, are the planets or moon a flat shape....or the sun flat for that matter?  Not looking to argue, but was curious.  I've seen a few of the other planets years ago when I was a teen using a relative's very expensive telescopes.  If earth is flat with the sun rotating above, what makes the planets and moon lay in the position they do, observable by earth?  Wouldn't they appear disk shaped as well or at least one of them appear in a flat plate like position  If gravity isn't a real thing, then what keeps the rest of planets moving on a tract that we can monitor and predict?
    Here's a video explaining that and also the eclipse:
    (mute the annoying music)
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #923 on: August 21, 2017, 06:21:19 PM »
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  • Think it's time for a social retrograde…

    Just kiddin', that's cotton-pickin' funny.

    Be advised though, crackers aren't permitted flattery via imitation. If anyone asks you're Swahili like me.
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    Is that guy pretending to be Al Jolson?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #924 on: August 21, 2017, 08:32:22 PM »
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  • Sun spots are phenomena exclusive to an electric light.  The sun is not a gaseous body, but it, and all the luminaries, are electric.  Dark spots are common for lights.  
    Yea, that's why those lucky enough to be in the path of totality today had the rare opportunity to see the big red and blue wires going from the sun to a stack of "dark matter" batteries just left of the occluded sun. You know, the ones that say "Exide GNB" on the side. The 2-D scientists are hard at work theorizing how they get recharged. The prevailing hypothesis is that solar wind is over-unity, providing unlimited free energy. (it's not actually solar wind, but from the cooling fan because the sun-bulb gets so damn hot) So the cooling wind gets blown between 2 huge flat plates which makes a magnetohydrodynamic generator, but we can't see those because they're perpendicular to the flat sun-bulb which always faces us at the same angle. (If it didn't, and still looked round instead of oval, the globe secret might get out)

    Dark spots are common for burnt-out lights. Never noticed them on good bulbs. Maybe on dim bulbs for dim wits?

    (sorry for stooping so low, but this one made me fall off my chair)

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #925 on: August 21, 2017, 08:39:45 PM »
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  • You can't fall off your chair because gravity is wrong.
    Yea, that's why those lucky enough to be in the path of totality today had the rare opportunity to see the big red and blue wires going from the sun to a stack of "dark matter" batteries just left of the occluded sun. You know, the ones that say "Exide GNB" on the side. The 2-D scientists are hard at work theorizing how they get recharged. The prevailing hypothesis is that solar wind is over-unity, providing unlimited free energy. (it's not actually solar wind, but from the cooling fan because the sun-bulb gets so damn hot) So the cooling wind gets blown between 2 huge flat plates which makes a magnetohydrodynamic generator, but we can't see those because they're perpendicular to the flat sun-bulb which always faces us at the same angle. (If it didn't, and still looked round instead of oval, the globe secret might get out)

    Dark spots are common for burnt-out lights. Never noticed them on good bulbs. Maybe on dim bulbs for dim wits?

    (sorry for stooping so low, but this one made me fall off my chair)


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #926 on: August 21, 2017, 09:03:57 PM »
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  • There are no planets per se.  All are stars, except the sun and moon.  A handful are called wandering stars because they do not follow the usual orbit but change course.  Consider Jupiter now retrograding in Virgo for 9 months before exiting on its way.  This short video proves stars are not terra firma 'worlds' people think are globular, but are provably flashing lights.  I personally have verified many stars on my own P900 camera (83x zoom) and while this video is a little more in focus than mine (better tripod), the star shown is exactly as depicted here.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vymd3wgaBL0
    Ok, no such thing as planets, check...what about the sun and moon....are they flat shaped as well?  

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #927 on: August 21, 2017, 09:41:45 PM »
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  • Here's a video explaining that and also the eclipse:
    (mute the annoying music)

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    Why would you post a video that's obviously complete fantasy?
    The sun and moon don't move like that in any way whatsoever.
    Even IF the video above explained the eclipse (which it doesn't) from its description, all eclipses would look the same (which they don't).
    They might as well throw Mars and Venus in for good measure.
    How flat-earthers come up with this stuff is only overshadowed by how some can stoop to believing it.
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    You could refer to the book of Enoch too. BTW where does the Bible say the sun is an electric light bulb?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #928 on: August 21, 2017, 09:48:55 PM »
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #929 on: August 21, 2017, 09:51:33 PM »
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  • Neil, you took the quote of the Church Father out of context by substituting "etc." for his clear rejection of globe theory:
    ....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have
    once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain
    thing by another; but that I sometimes imagine that they either discuss
    philosophy for the sake of a jest, or purposely and knowingly undertake
    to defend falsehoods, as if to exercise or display their talents on
    false subjects.
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    You're at a loss? Surprise, surprise. No more fantasy and false premises to dole out today?
    No more quotes from the apocryphal Book of Enoch?
    If the sun's an electric light bulb, where is that in Scripture?
    Did Moses understand electric light bulbs too? He wrote the Pentateuch. Enoch didn't.
    Like I said, the Church never taught the shape of the earth. 
    The writings of the Doctors in regards to things not relating to the Faith has nothing to do with Church teaching.
    Your quotes say nothing about the Church teaching regarding the shape of the earth. 
    There never has been and there never will be any such teaching.
    It's not the business of the Church to teach things we can observe with our own 5 senses.
    That is, unless you're a flat-earther who can't believe your eyes.
    Read it and weep.
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