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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #810 on: August 06, 2017, 08:41:13 PM »
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  • Is there some kind of "Flat Earth Aviators Association", is there an updated membership d-base, and can we access it, kind of like a sex offender registry? I ask because I could probably stand the walk, and don't mind groundtrans if there are such critters, worst case. By what principles do they operate? Can we get line of sight with advanced optics to the other edgeof the world? How come it doesn't shrink, or does it? What is the rate? How come i never got lost, could gague time to dusk, could do stellar nav? How do ballistics, esp. stratscale, REALLY work? How is it that there are depth/altitude differentials affecting time/distance in subs/aircraft if the Earth is flaT?

    This is really thrilling news...
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #811 on: August 06, 2017, 11:46:20 PM »
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  • For the 100th time; Talking about eclipses does not prove the round earth. Simply because we cannot explain something does not make curvature appear on the earth.

    The proof of the flat earth is the fact that there is NO curvature.

    So all the talk in world about eclipses is not going to affect that.

    Aren't circles 2D Euclidean forms, i.e. "flat"?

    Isn't normal sense perception/apparatus/faculty of a limited range?
     If so,  would not visual to horizon, by necessity, from a fixed point,  be RADIAL and so curved, even though it SEEms otherwise?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #812 on: August 07, 2017, 06:03:24 AM »
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  • Is there some kind of "Flat Earth Aviators Association", is there an updated membership d-base, and can we access it, kind of like a sex offender registry? I ask because I could probably stand the walk, and don't mind groundtrans if there are such critters, worst case. By what principles do they operate? Can we get line of sight with advanced optics to the other edgeof the world? How come it doesn't shrink, or does it? What is the rate? How come i never got lost, could gague time to dusk, could do stellar nav? How do ballistics, esp. stratscale, REALLY work? How is it that there are depth/altitude differentials affecting time/distance in subs/aircraft if the Earth is flaT?

    This is really thrilling news...
    Thrilling news indeed. Check out the webforum flatearthtrads.forumga.net if you are interested.
    Even with telescopes the same principle of perspective/convergence still applies to what you see.
    not getting lost has to do with the magnetism which points towards the centre/north of the earth. GPS is a ground based technology which has been around since the 40s.
    Ballistics do not take into accoun the curvature as one person in this area has testified on Marg Segeant's youtube channel.
    (he is not a recommended channel. -Just that interview is)

    Not sure I understand your question about differentials. Can you explain more clearly what you are talking about? Can you explain your last question also please about 2D?

    Check out the following video and if you have more questions feel free to post them over on the flat earth forum, or on here.





    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #813 on: August 07, 2017, 06:58:55 AM »
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  • Thrilling news indeed. Check out the webforum flatearthtrads.forumga.net if you are interested.
    Even with telescopes the same principle of perspective/convergence still applies to what you see.
    not getting lost has to do with the magnetism which points towards the centre/north of the earth. GPS is a ground based technology which has been around since the 40s.
    Ballistics do not take into accoun the curvature as one person in this area has testified on Marg Segeant's youtube channel.
    (he is not a recommended channel. -Just that interview is)

    Not sure I understand your question about differentials. Can you explain more clearly what you are talking about? Can you explain your last question also please about 2D?

    Check out the following video and if you have more questions feel free to post them over on the flat earth forum, or on here.



    Wasnt using a magnet dude. Make up your mind/s. Is there a curve, or isn't there? All rhetorical, and sarcastic. I might hit your links right after the lunar limberger one. That you don't know what I'm talking about only shows those who do more conclusively that you don't. You think you help the faith, but all that you really do is pass ammo to infidels, as if they needed the help in calling us ignorant.


    TLDR: Been there. Done that. Doesn't survive basic crit think,  let alone Criteriology. Not interested. Waste of time.

    Even IF it were true, we're all headed for the grave. There are much greater concerns.

    Evolution? Rubbish. No actual proof. Geocentrism? Even Einstein(?) basically said that it was a matter of coordinates, so sure.

    Euclidean "Flat" Earth? Nope. Sry. Right up there with "Evolution"


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #814 on: August 07, 2017, 10:07:28 AM »
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  • Wasnt using a magnet dude. Make up your mind/s. Is there a curve, or isn't there? All rhetorical, and sarcastic. I might hit your links right after the lunar limberger one. That you don't know what I'm talking about only shows those who do more conclusively that you don't. You think you help the faith, but all that you really do is pass ammo to infidels, as if they needed the help in calling us ignorant.


    TLDR: Been there. Done that. Doesn't survive basic crit think,  let alone Criteriology. Not interested. Waste of time.

    Even IF it were true, we're all headed for the grave. There are much greater concerns.

    Evolution? Rubbish. No actual proof. Geocentrism? Even Einstein(?) basically said that it was a matter of coordinates, so sure.

    Euclidean "Flat" Earth? Nope. Sry. Right up there with "Evolution"


    Bye
    That's humorous. The globe, heliocentric theory modern science teaches, is the basis for evolution, The Big Bang and atheism. Flat earth is Catholic teaching that proves heliocentric globe earth false.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #815 on: August 07, 2017, 10:26:38 AM »
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  • This same website has a very good image (NOT TO SCALE!!!) showing how the various parts of the sun, sunshine, moon, shadow and earth are made comprehensible. This is for illustration purposes, and not intended to depict the accurate sizes of these entities. There is no way to depict this stuff accurately by scale. No way whatsoever.

    Glad that you are mentioning the above. Since there is no way to accurately depict this stuff, then I can't be expected to accept it. However, a flat earth can be depicted, going by the ancient Hebrew concept of the earth. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #816 on: August 07, 2017, 10:51:05 AM »
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  • Wasnt using a magnet dude. Make up your mind/s. Is there a curve, or isn't there? All rhetorical, and sarcastic. I might hit your links right after the lunar limberger one. That you don't know what I'm talking about only shows those who do more conclusively that you don't. You think you help the faith, but all that you really do is pass ammo to infidels, as if they needed the help in calling us ignorant.


    TLDR: Been there. Done that. Doesn't survive basic crit think,  let alone Criteriology. Not interested. Waste of time.

    Even IF it were true, we're all headed for the grave. There are much greater concerns.

    Evolution? Rubbish. No actual proof. Geocentrism? Even Einstein(?) basically said that it was a matter of coordinates, so sure.

    Euclidean "Flat" Earth? Nope. Sry. Right up there with "Evolution"


    Bye
    I'm having a hard time figuring out how sincere you are.
    No one is forcing the flat earth on you. Go somewhere else if you want to be blind. You'll only be joining everyone else.
    You didn't make it clear at all whether you were using a magnet at all. There are various methods of navigation. Obviously you don't know much about navigation or you would not have asked such questions.
    Flat earthers don't sit around wasting their time on people who are not interested, there are a lot of sincere people out there who have not been reached. 
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #817 on: August 07, 2017, 10:55:59 AM »
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    MY "heliocentric system?" When did I say I agree with that? Don't bother looking because I never said I support it. You and others keep accusing me of that but it's a good example of your continual misrepresentation of all kinds of things. As often as I have explained this and that, you keep getting it wrong. Why should I keep trying? It's like beating a dead horse.
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    The simple reason that accurate scale is not shown is that you wouldn't be able to see anything. The sun would be a dot on one side of the page and the earth and moon would not be visible on the other side of the page. So how can a picture that doesn't show anything be of any help? The size of the sun, moon and earth are exaggerated so that you can SEE SOMETHING and the parts of the subject can be identified. Just because the reality is so distant and the parts would appear so small on the page does not prove they're not possible. If you tried to accurately depict the size and parts of an oxygen molecule on the page there would be nothing to see, because the nucleus would be tinier than a speck, and the electrons would be so small for any ink quantity to depict. Does that mean oxygen does not exist? Try showing a SCALE IMAGE of a person standing in New York City, and another person standing in Washington D.C., with the distance between them according to real scale.

    I hadn't realized that you are not a supporter of Heliocentrism. Sorry about that.

    As to the other issue, the inability to show an accurate depiction of the supposed scale of the earth and moon in relation to the sun, well, this issue isn't the same thing at all as not being able to depict an oxygen molecule. We cannot, of course, see molecules at all with the naked eye. We can, however, clearly see the sun and moon.

    It isn't reasonable, IMO, to think that the sun is so far away from the earth that it can't possibly be depicted accurately in a drawing of any kind whatsoever.

    And we have Sacred Scripture on our side.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #818 on: August 07, 2017, 12:21:27 PM »
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  • I hadn't realized that you are not a supporter of Heliocentrism. Sorry about that.

    As to the other issue, the inability to show an accurate depiction of the supposed scale of the earth and moon in relation to the sun, well, this issue isn't the same thing at all as not being able to depict an oxygen molecule. We cannot, of course, see molecules at all with the naked eye. We can, however, clearly see the sun and moon.

    It isn't reasonable, IMO, to think that the sun is so far away from the earth that it can't possibly be depicted accurately in a drawing of any kind whatsoever.

    And we have Sacred Scripture on our side.
    Sadly, Neil doesn't think he believes in the heliocentric system, but he in fact, does.  He switched the places of sun and earth, because earth doesn't move, according to Catholic teaching and scripture...or rather, because the Robert Sungenises of the day say it is this way.  Against scripture, he thinks earth is a ball.  Naturally, as you already pointed out, such a silly notion doesn't work because we know that the sun, moon and stars are in the firmament, with the waters above that, and that this dome is a like a tent that covers the earth.  His model cannot reflect scripture in any way, shape or form.  The dome would have to be at least 93,000,000 miles away in order to house the sun!  Not to mention up isn't up anymore, the horizontal horizon isn't level anymore, and water sticks to the outside of the earth ball while people walk upside down relative to each other--a notion condemned by the Church.  Neil seems to think that NASA lied about the orientation of the earth, lied that it moves, but they didn't lie in claiming it is a ball. Very strange.    

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #819 on: August 07, 2017, 04:32:02 PM »
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  • Sadly, Neil doesn't think he believes in the heliocentric system, but he in fact, does.  He switched the places of sun and earth, because earth doesn't move, according to Catholic teaching and scripture...or rather, because the Robert Sungenises of the day say it is this way.  Against scripture, he thinks earth is a ball.  Naturally, as you already pointed out, such a silly notion doesn't work because we know that the sun, moon and stars are in the firmament, with the waters above that, and that this dome is a like a tent that covers the earth.  His model cannot reflect scripture in any way, shape or form.  The dome would have to be at least 93,000,000 miles away in order to house the sun!  Not to mention up isn't up anymore, the horizontal horizon isn't level anymore, and water sticks to the outside of the earth ball while people walk upside down relative to each other--a notion condemned by the Church.  Neil seems to think that NASA lied about the orientation of the earth, lied that it moves, but they didn't lie in claiming it is a ball. Very strange.    

    I wonder if one of the main reasons that some geocentrists insist that the earth is ball, is that all of the other observable planets are balls, and it would just be weird if the earth were flat, and not like all the others. And it IS a bit weird, to be sure, but then again, why shouldn't the earth be different than those other lifeless planets?

    Why shouldn't our planet be different? That's what I would like to ask Neil next. Our planet has to support life, and a lot of it - from humans, to animals, birds, insects, plant life, etc. 

    As you said....the dome of the earth would have to be 93,000,000 miles away, in the system that Neil envisions and believes in, and that's not imaginable by any scale; it doesn't work. Though perhaps Neil (and Sungenis?) don't believe that there's such thing as a dome.

    Perhaps geocentrist ball-earthers believe that Sacred Scripture is wrong - that Genesis is wrong, or that is has been wrongly interpreted. But of course we are allowed to interpret it literally. To say that it can be mortally sinful to believe in a flat earth defies logic and scripture.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #820 on: August 07, 2017, 04:55:32 PM »
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  • I wonder if one of the main reasons that some geocentrists insist that the earth is ball, is that all of the other observable planets are balls, and it would just be weird if the earth were flat, and not like all the others. And it IS a bit weird, to be sure, but then again, why shouldn't the earth be different than those other lifeless planets?

    Why shouldn't our planet be different? That's what I would like to ask Neil next. Our planet has to support life, and a lot of it - from humans, to animals, birds, insects, plant life, etc.

    As you said....the dome of the earth would have to be 93,000,000 miles away, in the system that Neil envisions and believes in, and that's not imaginable by any scale; it doesn't work. Though perhaps Neil (and Sungenis?) don't believe that there's such thing as a dome.

    Perhaps geocentrist ball-earthers believe that Sacred Scripture is wrong - that Genesis is wrong, or that is has been wrongly interpreted. But of course we are allowed to interpret it literally. To say that it can be mortally sinful to believe in a flat earth defies logic and scripture.
    So well said, Meg. As for Sungenis, he does not believe in the firmament. Certainly not as described in scripture. If Neil does, he needs to think about it more.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #821 on: August 07, 2017, 11:17:55 PM »
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  • I checked in to see if any flat-earthers have observed the full moon today so they can have an intelligent discussion for a change, based on the facts of what they can see in God's sky.
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    But no, not a single post on the full moon today.
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    The moon reached its full phase at 11:12 am today, UTC -7. That means Pacific Daylight time.
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    But at 11:12 am a full moon is not visible in the sky, as one can readily know by the relative position of sun, moon and earth --- unless, that is, you subscribe to the flat-earth model which appears to have both sun and moon equally visible at that time.
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    So, just as with the coming total solar eclipse, which flat-earthers cannot predict, explain or understand, so too the full moon happening in broad daylight is something they can't predict, explain or understand either. 
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    So what CAN flat-earthers predict, explain or understand, if anything?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #822 on: August 07, 2017, 11:39:56 PM »
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  • I checked in to see if any flat-earthers have observed the full moon today so they can have an intelligent discussion for a change, based on the facts of what they can see in God's sky.
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    But no, not a single post on the full moon today.
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    The moon reached its full phase at 11:12 am today, UTC -7. That means Pacific Daylight time.
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    But at 11:12 am a full moon is not visible in the sky, as one can readily know by the relative position of sun, moon and earth --- unless, that is, you subscribe to the flat-earth model which appears to have both sun and moon equally visible at that time.
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    So, just as with the coming total solar eclipse, which flat-earthers cannot predict, explain or understand, so too the full moon happening in broad daylight is something they can't predict, explain or understand either.
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    So what CAN flat-earthers predict, explain or understand, if anythin
    Another seeming masochist in the chatter's box... Good "luck". I spent ~decade living or dying by navigation among other things (incl. no map, no compass, no signal- radiance>radio giving Flat-heads fits also[LOS]) and yet I still know nothing of it.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #823 on: August 08, 2017, 02:09:26 AM »
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  • Flat-Earther:  I learnt everything I know about the earth being flat from my next-door neighbor.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #824 on: August 08, 2017, 04:32:14 AM »
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  • There is no curvature on the earth.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

    "As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything" Neil Obstat, 08-03-2017