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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #780 on: August 04, 2017, 12:24:40 PM »
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  • NASA reps miserably fail to explain how moon and earth, moving the same direction (according to modern heliocentric science), can produce the 2017 eclipse. :applause: 

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #781 on: August 04, 2017, 12:33:17 PM »
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  • Gregory of Nyssa: “For just as those skilled in astronomy tell us that the whole universe is full of light, and darkness is made to cast its shadow by the interposition of the body formed by the earth; and that this darkness is shut off from the rays of the sun, in the shape of a cone, according to the figure of the sphere‐shaped body, and behind it; while the sun, exceeding the earth by a size many times as great as its own, enfolding it round about on all sides with its rays, unites at the limit of cone the concurrent streams of light; so that if ሺto suppose the caseሻ any one had the power of passing beyond the measure to which the shadow extends, he would certainly find himself in light unbroken by darkness.”54


    Well said, St. Gregory! Yet globers will tell you that you are wrong.  


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #782 on: August 04, 2017, 06:41:50 PM »
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  • NASA reps miserably fail to explain how moon and earth, moving the same direction (according to modern heliocentric science), can produce the 2017 eclipse. :applause:


    The video asks an interesting question: if the moon rises in the east (and sets in the west), then why is the shadow (from the eclipse) moving from west to east, all the way from Oregon to South Carolina?

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #783 on: August 04, 2017, 07:06:15 PM »
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  • Neil,

    I don't see how you can expect to be taken seriously when you have said that it can be a mortal sin to reject your "evidence."

    From what church doctrine is this derived? Certainly not from the Catholic Church. Maybe it's from the Church of NASA.
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    The problem is, you are rejecting the truth. Truth is the conformity of the mind to reality. Reality is what we see every day with our eyes, but you have repeatedly refused to look and see. Ignoring the evidence God has given you every day is obstinacy in error. How can you expect to be in the state of grace when you reject the truth that God gives you before your eyes? Our Lord told the Pharisees in His day they were sons of satan when they refused the reality of what He gave them to see with their eyes. What do you think He would tell you today?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #784 on: August 04, 2017, 07:09:15 PM »
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    Does anyone have an intelligent response to this paragraph?
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    This coming Monday is the next full moon. Look for a shadow. Look really hard.
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    No intelligent response? Why am I surprised?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #785 on: August 04, 2017, 07:52:50 PM »
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    What do you think He would tell you today?
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    Maybe he would tell me that He designed a beautiful earth for us, and while we are here, we are to know, love and serve Him. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #786 on: August 04, 2017, 07:59:49 PM »
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  • Maybe he would tell me that He designed a beautiful earth for us, and while we are here, we are to know, love and serve Him.
    ....And that you show Him how you know, love and serve Him by ignoring what He has provided for you to see, and by ignoring the simple questions placed before you by your contemporaries? 
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    How can you know if you won't look? 
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #787 on: August 04, 2017, 09:17:35 PM »
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  • ....And that you show Him how you know, love and serve Him by ignoring what He has provided for you to see, and by ignoring the simple questions placed before you by your contemporaries?
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    How can you know if you won't look?
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    Maybe to could try to answer a question that I've already posted on this thread, seeing as how you claim to know so much about the subject of the moon.

    The moon rises in the east and sets in the west, right? So how is it that the shadow which is cast by the moon in the upcoming eclipse goes from west to east? It's takes one hour and 33 minutes to cross the U.S., from Oregon to South Carolina. This should be an easy one for you to explain, so I'll wait for your response. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #788 on: August 04, 2017, 09:24:06 PM »
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    The problem is, you are rejecting the truth. Truth is the conformity of the mind to reality. Reality is what we see every day with our eyes, but you have repeatedly refused to look and see. Ignoring the evidence God has given you every day is obstinacy in error. How can you expect to be in the state of grace when you reject the truth that God gives you before your eyes? Our Lord told the Pharisees in His day they were sons of satan when they refused the reality of what He gave them to see with their eyes. What do you think He would tell you today?
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    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.


    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

     



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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #789 on: August 05, 2017, 12:05:25 AM »
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  • Maybe to could try to answer a question that I've already posted on this thread, seeing as how you claim to know so much about the subject of the moon.

    The moon rises in the east and sets in the west, right? So how is it that the shadow which is cast by the moon in the upcoming eclipse goes from west to east? It's takes one hour and 33 minutes to cross the U.S., from Oregon to South Carolina. This should be an easy one for you to explain, so I'll wait for your response.
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    Looky there -- you only had to wait 2-1/2 hours!
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    The things I've posted about the moon are right there in front of your face if you bother to look. The sun is moving faster and it passes up the moon in the sky. Simple.
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    During a total solar eclipse (one of which I have already seen in person) the sun's course across the sky is FASTER than the moon's course across the sky. NASA doesn't explain it that way in those words because their paradigm and premise is heliocentrism, even while JPL and Mission Control for all the space flights presumes a stationary earth.
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    NASA doesn't want to have too many people asking how the sun can move across the sky if the earth is moving around the sun.
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    The shadow of the moon crossing the USA on August 21st will take as long as it takes the sun to pass up the moon in the sky. The sun does this same thing every time we have a new moon, but the moon is very hard to find, usually, due to the overbearing brightness of the sun's light. You can see the new moon being passed up by the sun every month, but you need to know where to look and you have to use special equipment to see the moon and prevent the sun from causing blindness. 
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    Of course, about half the time the sun is on the other side of the earth when it passes by the moon. That's what is going on when there is an eclipse of the sun on the other side of the planet, such as in Asia: then people in America won't be able to see the sun pass by the moon.
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    In case you were unaware, Galileo Galilei spent the last years of his life not only under house arrest, but blind, because he had foolishly looked at the sun through a telescope without using eye protection. 
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    Unfortunately, there will be perhaps hundreds of people who will suffer permanent eye and retina damage this month from failing to protect their eyes while trying to view the eclipse. The vast majority of America will not be in the umbra of totality, but will see some portion of the bright sun unobstructed by the moon. Anyone who tries to look at the partially obscured sun without sufficient eye protection risks going permanently BLIND. So don't do it.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #790 on: August 05, 2017, 12:09:14 AM »
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    Looky there -- you only had to wait 2-1/2 hours!
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    The things I've posted about the moon are right there in front of your face if you bother to look. The sun is moving faster and it passes up the moon in the sky. Simple.
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    During a total solar eclipse (one of which I have already seen in person) the sun's course across the sky is FASTER than the moon's course across the sky. NASA doesn't explain it that way in those words because their paradigm and premise is heliocentrism, even while JPL and Mission Control for all the space flights presumes a stationary earth.
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    NASA doesn't want to have too many people asking how the sun can move across the sky if the earth is moving around the sun.
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    The shadow of the moon crossing the USA on August 21st will take as long as it takes the sun to pass up the moon in the sky. The sun does this same thing every time we have a new moon, but the moon is very hard to find, usually, due to the overbearing brightness of the sun's light. You can see the new moon being passed up by the sun every month, but you need to know where to look and you have to use special equipment to see the moon and prevent the sun from causing blindness.
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    Of course, about half the time the sun is on the other side of the earth when it passes by the moon. That's what is going on when there is an eclipse of the sun on the other side of the planet, such as in Asia: then people in America won't be able to see the sun pass by the moon.
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    In case you were unaware, Galileo Galilei spent the last years of his life not only under house arrest, but blind, because he had foolishly looked at the sun through a telescope without using eye protection.
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    Unfortunately, there will be perhaps hundreds of people who will suffer permanent eye and retina damage this month from failing to protect their eyes while trying to view the eclipse. The vast majority of America will not be in the umbra of totality, but will see some portion of the bright sun unobstructed by the moon. Anyone who tries to look at the partially obscured sun without sufficient eye protection risks going permanently BLIND. So don't do it.
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    Okay, thanks for the explanation. I have another question. Why is it that the shadow cast by the moon on the land is only between 50 and 100 miles wide?
    Since the moon is supposedly 2,159 miles wide, it should cast a much wider shadow.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #791 on: August 05, 2017, 12:13:53 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, there will be perhaps hundreds of people who will suffer permanent eye and retina damage this month from failing to protect their eyes while trying to view the eclipse. The vast majority of America will not be in the umbra of totality, but will see some portion of the bright sun unobstructed by the moon. Anyone who tries to look at the partially obscured sun without sufficient eye protection risks going permanently BLIND. So don't do it.
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    Good advice. Fortunately, the store where I work sells viewing glasses for two bucks each. I bought ten pairs. :)
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #792 on: August 05, 2017, 12:19:25 AM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.


    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
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    Oh, it's you again.
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    The horizon might APPEAR flat 360 degrees around the observer, but if the observer knows how to use instruments he can immediately see that his untrained eye is deceived, because the horizon does not MEASURE that way. I know this for a fact from using surveying instruments. The horizon does not "rise" to the level of the observer. The horizon remains exactly where it is and your level line of sight remains above it.
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    There never has been, nor will there ever be a balloon, rocket, plane or drone view of the horizon using a reliably stable support for the instrument. The camera sways around and you cannot measure the elevation of a distant target. Astronomical measurements are made from "terra firma" instruments at best, or a second best is a satellite in orbit such as Hubble where there is no wind resistance. Oh, but you don't think Hubble exists. I know.
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    The horizon does not rise to the level of the observer. That is a patent LIE that you numbskulls keep repeating. I know it's false because I have personally seen it being proved false, with my own instruments and my own eyes.
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    You flat-earthers are deceived by your own lies, and you like it that way. Your principles are false and you keep repeating the falsehood premises, but that doesn't make them any more believable. You are fake, your model is fake and your followers are falling with you into the pit. 
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #793 on: August 05, 2017, 12:22:31 AM »
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  • Okay, thanks for the explanation. I have another question. Why is it that the shadow cast by the moon on the land is only between 50 and 100 miles wide?
    Since the moon is supposedly 2,159 miles wide, it should cast a much wider shadow.

    I forgot to mention that the above question is in reference to the eclipse, and the shadow cast by the moon during the eclipse.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #794 on: August 05, 2017, 12:34:29 AM »
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    The problem is, you are rejecting the truth. Truth is the conformity of the mind to reality. Reality is what we see every day with our eyes, but you have repeatedly refused to look and see. Ignoring the evidence God has given you every day is obstinacy in error. How can you expect to be in the state of grace when you reject the truth that God gives you before your eyes? Our Lord told the Pharisees in His day they were sons of satan when they refused the reality of what He gave them to see with their eyes. What do you think He would tell you today?
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    What truth has she rejected? You still haven't stated any Catholic teaching to support your junk theory.