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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #765 on: August 02, 2017, 03:15:52 AM »
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  • Thank you Neil for hanging in there despite the onslaught of flathead screwtape demoralization coming our way. I have a special challenge for all supposedly "genuine" flatearthers: in light of this video and well everything else we know about the international space scene out there, can you please be sure to include Roscosmos along with Nasa every time you want to slam a space agency? In theory, you ought to be slamming all of these agencies. Considering how deeply involved Russia is in this area, I don't see a reason for leaving them out. Thanks!
    Well considering this is an english speaking forum, it's kind of understandable.
    In any case the others take the lead from NASA.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #766 on: August 02, 2017, 03:56:03 AM »
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  • Chinese faking space exploration....



    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #767 on: August 02, 2017, 04:29:31 AM »
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  • LMAO at the twit with 3 posts accusing Neil of "trolling."  Flat-earthers live in their own flat little world.  Maybe flat earth can be their safe space.   :jester:
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    The twit with 3 posts (troll to be sure-- the pot calling the kettle black) posted a nonsense photo with no explanation and then asked me how I like it. What could I say? (I didn't like it actually but I didn't want to offend him!)
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    He posted the same nonsense on another thread with no explanation.
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    Flat-earthers don't need any help making themselves look bad.
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    They do it all on their own.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #768 on: August 02, 2017, 04:45:10 AM »
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  • Thank you Neil for hanging in there despite the onslaught of flathead screwtape demoralization coming our way. I have a special challenge for all supposedly "genuine" flatearthers: in light of this video and well everything else we know about the international space scene out there, can you please be sure to include Roscosmos along with Nasa every time you want to slam a space agency? In theory, you ought to be slamming all of these agencies. Considering how deeply involved Russia is in this area, I don't see a reason for leaving them out. Thanks!
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    You're welcome.
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    I really must thank the flat-earthers for this incentive to look for videos that answer their drivel because here I was a year out and never had seen this 10-million times viewed video. It's only 28 minutes long but wow! what a wealth of information. The woman astronaut leading the camera around is a real natural. Check out the comments in the area below (there are thousands of comments) and you'll see that some of them are from people in India who actually know her family. They're very proud of their home girl!
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    She goes right to the loo and demonstrates how they go potty on the ISS. Makes me glad I'm NOT an astronaut. She brushes her teeth (and swallows the toothpaste!  :barf:) THAT makes it two for two.
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    Then she squeezes out some water, making a wobbly sphere (globe) of water the flat-earthers claim can't happen because water flows downhill (?) forgetting it's zero gravity -- no, wait they don't believe in gravity.
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    Ugh.
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    The shots out the cupola window are very revealing. No curved lines anywhere but on the surface of the globular earth. And all the shots of her turning 90 degrees right, left, up and down make it clear that they are in a large format station. I'm so glad I'm not there.
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    The final seal is when she describes the central emergency place where they all meet if there is a FIRE or an ammonia leak. Okay, I'm done. Beam me DOWN, Scotty! 
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #769 on: August 02, 2017, 05:44:24 AM »
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  • Well considering this is an english speaking forum, it's kind of understandable.
    In any case the others take the lead from NASA.
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    Flat-earthers don't mention the Russians because they don't have any friends in Russia.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #770 on: August 02, 2017, 10:40:33 AM »
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  • Neil,

    I asked you a couple of questions yesterday, in post number 762 on this thread. You may have missed it. It regarded a post you made yesterday. Given that you brought the Holy Ghost into the debate, and said that the Holy Ghost enlightens people at different speeds, I would like to know if you believe that the Holy Ghost enlightens you as to the shape of the earth.

    You also mentioned that we flat-earthers are risking our salvation, presumably because of our obstinate thinking, so I'd like to know if you believe that we must believe in a ball-shaped earth in order to obtain salvation. If you don't want to answer, that's fine. But in not answering, I think that that in itself would give a "yes" answer to both questions.

    Also, someone asked you to confirm that you don't work for NASA. I don't think you responded to that question. I think it's a good question, which needs an answer.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #771 on: August 02, 2017, 11:37:06 AM »
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  • Also, someone asked you to confirm that you don't work for NASA. I don't think you responded to that question. I think it's a good question, which needs an answer.
    Neil,
    It's interesting that these people are not worried about involvement with the other seventy (or so) space agencies.

    Omnes pro Christo

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #772 on: August 03, 2017, 02:43:08 AM »
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  • Neil,

    I asked you a couple of questions yesterday, in post number 762 on this thread. You may have missed it. It regarded a post you made yesterday. Given that you brought the Holy Ghost into the debate, and said that the Holy Ghost enlightens people at different speeds, I would like to know if you believe that the Holy Ghost enlightens you as to the shape of the earth.

    You also mentioned that we flat-earthers are risking our salvation, presumably because of our obstinate thinking, so I'd like to know if you believe that we must believe in a ball-shaped earth in order to obtain salvation. If you don't want to answer, that's fine. But in not answering, I think that that in itself would give a "yes" answer to both questions.

    Also, someone asked you to confirm that you don't work for NASA. I don't think you responded to that question. I think it's a good question, which needs an answer.
    Dear Meg,
    Thank you for asking these questions. The Holy Ghost gives people grace in answer to their request for it, if it is for their good. He does not give us answers to questions that we can figure out by our own observation of what God has given us in His creation, and that includes the necessary conclusions that are consequent to directly observable phenomena such as the phases of the moon.
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    The moon's phases are exactly (not approximately but EXACTLY) the same everywhere on earth every day. What we see in America is what they see in Australia, Africa, Asia, Europe and Oceania. A full moon is a full moon everywhere on earth the same day. And there is no shadow on the bottom of the moon or on the top of the moon. The full moon is illuminated ALL AROUND, from top to bottom, right side to left side, as viewed from everywhere on the earth. The only way for that to happen is for the moon to be a GREAT DISTANCE away from earth, not only a few thousand miles, but many tens of thousands of miles. If it were any closer to earth we would not be seeing the moon phases appearing as they do every day, year round.
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    You don't need to ask the Holy Ghost how to understand what you see in the phases of the moon. That is simply logic and common sense.
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    When God provides us with two eyes and a mind to know what we see and logical thinking to draw necessary conclusions but we prescind from thinking logically and obstinately presume to ignore that which God has provided for our edification and consequently refuse to discuss any of the component aspects with others while hurling abusive and insulting epithets along with patently false presumptions that we rely on to bolster our unreasonable and illogical subjective reality, it can become sinful. It can become mortally sinful when someone with patience and verifiable evidence is absolutely rejected a priori because we don't agree with his conclusions.
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    As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything. Do you work for NASA? Do you know anyone who does? I have some schoolmates who work at JPL in Pasadena. Does that help? Or do flat-earthers contend that jet propulsion is a myth or whatever?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #773 on: August 03, 2017, 09:40:10 AM »
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  • Dear Meg,
    Thank you for asking these questions. The Holy Ghost gives people grace in answer to their request for it, if it is for their good. He does not give us answers to questions that we can figure out by our own observation of what God has given us in His creation, and that includes the necessary conclusions that are consequent to directly observable phenomena such as the phases of the moon.
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    The moon's phases are exactly (not approximately but EXACTLY) the same everywhere on earth every day. What we see in America is what they see in Australia, Africa, Asia, Europe and Oceania. A full moon is a full moon everywhere on earth the same day. And there is no shadow on the bottom of the moon or on the top of the moon. The full moon is illuminated ALL AROUND, from top to bottom, right side to left side, as viewed from everywhere on the earth. The only way for that to happen is for the moon to be a GREAT DISTANCE away from earth, not only a few thousand miles, but many tens of thousands of miles. If it were any closer to earth we would not be seeing the moon phases appearing as they do every day, year round.
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    You don't need to ask the Holy Ghost how to understand what you see in the phases of the moon. That is simply logic and common sense.
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    When God provides us with two eyes and a mind to know what we see and logical thinking to draw necessary conclusions but we prescind from thinking logically and obstinately presume to ignore that which God has provided for our edification and consequently refuse to discuss any of the component aspects with others while hurling abusive and insulting epithets along with patently false presumptions that we rely on to bolster our unreasonable and illogical subjective reality, it can become sinful. It can become mortally sinful when someone with patience and verifiable evidence is absolutely rejected a priori because we don't agree with his conclusions.
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    As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything. Do you work for NASA? Do you know anyone who does? I have some schoolmates who work at JPL in Pasadena. Does that help? Or do flat-earthers contend that jet propulsion is a myth or whatever?
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    Okay, so why then why did you bring the Holy Ghost into the debate if you don't think that you have been enlightened as to the shape of the earth by the Holy Ghost? 

    You wrote also that...."It can become mortally sinful when someone with patience and verifiable evidence is absolutely rejected a priori because we don't agree with his conclusions."

    Well, that is beyond ridiculous, Neil, to say that it can be mortally sinful to disagree with you and your evidence. And you have NOT been patient. You have been very abusive toward flat-earthers, except in a few posts. You seem to believe that you and the evidence you provide is infallible that that it's a sin to not accept what Pope Neil infallibly declares. Sadly, highly educated people such as yourself can be extremely arrogant and self-righteous, thinking that they are above everyone else.

    Why refuse to say that you do or do not work for NASA? What's up with that, Pope Neil?

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #774 on: August 03, 2017, 11:54:32 AM »
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  • Oh that's alright, when in doubt just say it's CGI. Am I right flatearthers? I haven't checked the official counter argument, but let me guess, it goes something like this: it was taken on a parabolic flight and the windows were CG'd...

    Well considering this is an english speaking forum, it's kind of understandable.
    In any case the others take the lead from NASA.

    I've seen most of you go to great lengths to defend the indefensible, but when it comes to this you are suddenly very selective in your target. The prospect of having to include all the many international organizations that contribute on a regular basis to such a gigantic conspiracy may be too much for the maniacally myopic flatearther. But like other completely unreasonable assumptions against rational thought, the flatearthers would like us to believe NASA really controls the paradigm despite the fact that NASA and Roscosmos have a long, well docuмented, and often bitter rivalry. Like everything else in your flat fiat statements of "fact" you couldn't be bothered substantiating any of it.

    Minds like these are begging for satanic interference and once they get it, they need to spread it like a virus. Because they have foolishly yoked their faith with these ideas, they will likely lose the little faith they have if they ever do change their view about the shape of the earth.

    Once again, ocean navigators have been using latitude and longitude to help them get from point A to point B since the age of exploration. Knowledge of a spherical Earth had solid practical applications throughout that era, long before CGI could ever be employed. If it wasn't true, it would have been amply docuмented by every long distance seafarer who lived to tell the tale. Nobody would have been able to use the sextant to get where they were going due to the use of longitude in the calculations.  

    But this along with the multitude of simple and easy to follow refutations fall like pearls before swine. You guys need to relocate your sense of shame.

    As for whether or not I work for NASA, I'm sorry, but I fail to understand what that could possibly have to do with anything. Do you work for NASA? Do you know anyone who does? I have some schoolmates who work at JPL in Pasadena. Does that help? Or do flat-earthers contend that jet propulsion is a myth or whatever?
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    If you worked for NASA, you might as well be a Satan-worshipper to the Flatheads! "Team NASA"="Me A Satan!"
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #775 on: August 03, 2017, 12:51:30 PM »
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  • Nobody is saying Neil, that if you work for NASA we are not going to listen to you, or that you can't post on forums relating the flat earth.

    As mentioned, you don't have to say which part you work for. I think the answer though is clear from what you said above for discerning readers.

    Some may consider it a conflict of interests and they have a right to know.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #776 on: August 03, 2017, 07:47:37 PM »
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  • Hey Neil, there is a job opening downstairs...

    https://planetaryprotection.nasa.gov/
    Omnes pro Christo

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #777 on: August 04, 2017, 03:21:08 AM »
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  • Okay, so why then why did you bring the Holy Ghost into the debate if you don't think that you have been enlightened as to the shape of the earth by the Holy Ghost?

    You wrote also that...."It can become mortally sinful when someone with patience and verifiable evidence is absolutely rejected a priori because we don't agree with his conclusions."

    Well, that is beyond ridiculous, Neil, to say that it can be mortally sinful to disagree with you and your evidence. And you have NOT been patient. You have been very abusive toward flat-earthers, except in a few posts. You seem to believe that you and the evidence you provide is infallible that that it's a sin to not accept what Pope Neil infallibly declares. Sadly, highly educated people such as yourself can be extremely arrogant and self-righteous, thinking that they are above everyone else.

    Why refuse to say that you do or do not work for NASA? What's up with that, Pope Neil?
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    I'm sorry. I was mistaken. I thought you were interested in having a conversation. You have specifically ignored everything I said except for the things that you want to argue about, ignoring all the evidence. 
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    If you will not accept the evidence before your eyes, then I cannot help you.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #778 on: August 04, 2017, 03:34:21 AM »
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    The moon's phases are exactly (not approximately but EXACTLY) the same everywhere on earth every day. What we see in America is what they see in Australia, Africa, Asia, Europe and Oceania. A full moon is a full moon everywhere on earth the same day. And there is no shadow on the bottom of the full moon or on the top of the full moon. The full moon is illuminated ALL AROUND, from top to bottom, right side to left side, as viewed from everywhere on the earth. The only way for that to happen is for the moon to be a GREAT DISTANCE away from earth, not only a few thousand miles, but many tens of thousands of miles. If it were any closer to earth we would not be seeing the moon phases appearing as they do every day, year round.
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    Does anyone have an intelligent response to this paragraph?
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    This coming Monday is the next full moon. Look for a shadow. Look really hard.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #779 on: August 04, 2017, 09:38:24 AM »
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  • Neil,

    I don't see how you can expect to be taken seriously when you have said that it can be a mortal sin to reject your "evidence." 

    From what church doctrine is this derived? Certainly not from the Catholic Church. Maybe it's from the Church of NASA. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29