Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 93098 times)

happenby · « **Reply #690 on:** June 05, 2017, 09:58:54 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 05, 2017, 12:37:44 AM

This is not news. It's been going on for centuries.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~atpcs/atpcs/Univ10e/chapter03-06.html

Chapter 3-6: Ancient astronomers measured the size of the Earth and attempted to determine distances to the Sun and MoonThey knew the Moon is spherical because
.Eratosthenes determined the size of the Earth by measuring the angle of the noontime Sun from different locations on Earth
.From this, one can estimate the size of the Moon
.From this, one can estimate the distance to the Moon
.Aristarchus determined the distance to the Sun by trying to measure the angle between the Sun and Moon (as seen by an observer on Earth) at the time of the first quarter (or last quarter) moon
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This is all a bunch of garbage. No one cares what pagans measure because their stick is crooked. Eratosthenes was a liar in the manner of Hom and his progeny Pythagoras. He and Copernicus, Keplar, Newton and Galileo were occult dabbling pagan philosophers and full on liars. With a stack of saints against this rabble, along with the teachings of scripture and Catholic writings, not to mention empirical science, the heliocentric model continues to crash to hell. So many words from the pagans, so little content.

happenby · « **Reply #691 on:** June 05, 2017, 10:08:42 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on May 22, 2017, 01:01:20 AM

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Here is a good diagram that pictorially describes what I have been talking about with the "angle between the sun and the moon at the phase of quarter moon."

This is how it looks during the First Quarter moon, which will be coming up in about 2 weeks.
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We just had the Last Quarter moon last week, on Thursday. I measured the angle between the sun and the moon and found it to be greater than 89 degrees and less than 90 degrees.
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There are consequences to these measurements, since as you can see in the diagram, the three corners of the geometrical figure described by the earth, moon and sun is a right triangle.
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Right triangles are very easy to use in determining proportions between the lengths of the sides when one of the not-square interior angles is known. We already know that the angle at the moon is 90 degrees because it is a quarter moon, which see.
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We have measured one of the other two angles, the angle from earth between the sun and moon, and have found it to be consistently close to 90 degrees at the quarter moon phase.
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Therefore, without having to travel to the moon or the sun to check the angles of the other two bodies, we can surmise what the angle between the earth and moon as viewed from the sun would be.
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Since any triangle has 3 interior angles and their sum is always 180 degrees, we subtract the 90 degrees at the moon and the 89-plus degrees at the earth and come up with an angle of less than one degree at the sun.
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ETC............

Ha ha, using this example, with the 93,000,000 miles distance to the heliocentric sun, the angles for said triangle (specifically the smallest angle near the sun, would not even produce a triangle, but a straight line, nearly parallel to the next side of the "triangle" for several million miles, if not the entire distances to earth. To even suggest this graphic might work means the sun has to be a lot less than 100,000 miles from earth for the outer angle near the sun to even present itself as measurable. Oops. Back to your debunking Catholic teaching drawing board.

happenby · « **Reply #692 on:** June 05, 2017, 11:27:59 AM »

St. John Chrysostom (considered a “doctor of the Church”, bishop of Antioch, archbishop of Constantinople in 398) –opposed the earth’s sphericity based on Scripture. Regularly refers to the Earth having four corners as the Bible does in his sermons. For example, the following quotations come from Homilies Against the Jєωs: “every corner of the earth”, “her action is known in every corner of the earth”, “every corner of the earth seen by the sun” [27] Exerted his influence against a spherical earth. [2] He is quoted by Kosmas (Cosmas) as stating “Where are those who say that the heaven is in motion? Where are those who think it is spherical? For both these opinions are here swept away.”(in commenting on Hebrews 8:1.)Knew that truly ending the ‘heretical’ study of the Greeks meant wiping out Greek writings – happily declared, “Every trace of the old philosophy and literature of the ancient world has vanished from the face of the earth.”

In his“Homily 2, Trinity, Sophists, Philosophers”, Para 5, he takes pleasure in the fact that the Church is successfully silencing the Greeks – “And as for the writings of the Greeks, they are all put out and vanished, but this man’s shine brighter day by day. …since then the (doctrines) of Pythagoras and of Plato, which seemed before to prevail, have ceased to be spoken of, and most men do not know them even by name.” [77], [78] He continues to claim, “Pythagoras… practiced there ten thousand kinds of sorcery…. but by his magic tricks he deceived the foolish. And neglecting to teach men anything useful.” He then calls Pythagoras a “barbarian”!

happenby · « **Reply #693 on:** June 05, 2017, 11:30:29 AM »

Severian, Bishop of Gabala – Depended upon Scriptures for view of the earth. “The earth is flat and the sun does not pass under it in the night, but travels through the northern parts as if hidden by a wall” [15] He shared John Chrysostom’s fundamentalism and opposition to pagan learning.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #694 on:** June 12, 2017, 11:29:21 PM »

Start @ 3:26

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #695 on:** June 18, 2017, 04:36:01 PM »

Quote from: happenby on June 05, 2017, 09:58:54 AM

This is all a bunch of garbage. No one cares what pagans measure because their stick is crooked. Eratosthenes was a liar in the manner of Hom and his progeny Pythagoras. He and Copernicus, Keplar, Newton and Galileo were occult dabbling pagan philosophers and full on liars. With a stack of saints against this rabble, along with the teachings of scripture and Catholic writings, not to mention empirical science, the heliocentric model continues to crash to hell. So many words from the pagans, so little content.

Quote from: happenby on June 05, 2017, 10:08:42 AM

Ha ha, using this example, with the 93,000,000 miles distance to the heliocentric sun, the angles for said triangle (specifically the smallest angle near the sun, would not even produce a triangle, but a straight line, nearly parallel to the next side of the "triangle" for several million miles, if not the entire distances to earth. To even suggest this graphic might work means the sun has to be a lot less than 100,000 miles from earth for the outer angle near the sun to even present itself as measurable. Oops. Back to your debunking Catholic teaching drawing board.

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Are you having another emotional breakdown?
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Garbage? Math tables are garbage? Tell that to the engineer who designed your car or the telephone you use every day. Tell the truck driver who delivers your ice cubes or your e-Bay purchases that he's a pagan and his stick is crooked. Let the pizza delivery boy know he's working for corrupt occult-dabbling pagans and full-on liars.
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What I have shown you above is empirical science, which I have invited you to join in, but you don't know the first thing about what it means to use empirical science. Typing the words accomplishes nothing.
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Heliocentric sun, you say? When did I say anything about heliocentric sun? Those are your words.
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The next time you go to paint the living room, make sure you buy the proper brand of paint...

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Flat earthers really show themselves up for being dunces and ignorant snobs.

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Meg · « **Reply #696 on:** June 18, 2017, 04:52:12 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 18, 2017, 04:36:01 PM

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Are you having another emotional breakdown?
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Garbage? Math tables are garbage? Tell that to the engineer who designed your car or the telephone you use every day. Tell the truck driver who delivers your ice cubes or your e-Bay purchases that he's a pagan and his stick is crooked. Let the pizza delivery boy know he's working for corrupt occult-dabbling pagans and full-on liars.
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What I have shown you above is empirical science, which I have invited you to join in, but you don't know the first thing about what it means to use empirical science. Typing the words accomplishes nothing.
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Heliocentric sun, you say? When did I say anything about heliocentric sun? Those are your words.
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The next time you go to paint the living room, make sure you buy the proper brand of paint...
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Flat earthers really show themselves up for being dunces and ignorant snobs.
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Interesting response, but you didn't actually address any of the points that Happenby was making.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #697 on:** June 18, 2017, 05:14:59 PM »

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We just had another quarter moon!
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And all over the earth, the quarter moon was visible at the same minute, which was 5:43 am Pacific Daylight Time (UTC -7). The angle between the sun and the moon was just like it always has been and always will be, indicating the sun's enormously greater distance from earth compared to the distance of the moon from earth (which is already inconceivably large from our earth-bound perspective).
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Everywhere on this spherical planet earth, shaped like a ball, the moon was seen illuminated by the sun with the same phase: One Quarter.
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From Alaska to Tierra del Fuego, and from South Africa to the northern tundra: One Quarter Moon.
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By the way, if the earth were flat, different points of observation all over the earth would have had different shapes or phases for their view of the moon. People in the southern hemisphere, where it is now close to winter, would have seen the top of the moon illuminated and the shadowed area on the bottom of the moon, but they don't see that. They don't see that because the earth isn't flat. It is spheroid. They see the illuminated part of the quarter moon on the same side that we see in the northern hemisphere, the side facing the rising sun in the east.
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Every day the moon declares for all with eyes to see that the earth is not flat.
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But if you're dug in to believe what you want to believe against all the evidence, then have a nice time exercising your free will. You can choose to ignore all the facts and hurl epithets at those who notice reality for what it is.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #698 on:** June 18, 2017, 05:16:29 PM »

Quote from: Meg on June 18, 2017, 04:52:12 PM

Interesting response, but you didn't actually address any of the points that Happenby was making.

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Points? What "points" did happenby make, pray tell? That I have not provided any empirical science?
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Do you know what empirical science is?
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #699 on:** June 18, 2017, 05:57:01 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 12, 2017, 11:29:21 PM

Start @ 3:26

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"It begs the question: Why are shills pushing the flat earth model?"
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Good question! Let's ask their comrades, the flat-earthers!!
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #700 on:** June 18, 2017, 07:12:24 PM »

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We are soon going to have worldwide news coverage of the upcoming total solar eclipse in August.
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There is absolutely no way that anyone who pushes flat-earthism can explain how their concept is useful for predicting solar eclipses.
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The fact that for many years in advance, these eclipses can be predicted with great accuracy is proof positive that the calculations that go into defining their scope and range and timing is sound and true. We are told with great confidence the precise path of the moon's shadow, so that people who want to be there to witness it can know in advance where to go and when to get there.
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No amount of heckling, sneering, ridiculing and harassment from the foot-stomping, foaming-at-the-mouth flat-earthers will make a whit of difference, because the sun will rise, the moon's shadow will traverse the United States, and the sun will set that day all the while the flat-earthers will be crying in their milk shakes. Unless they're opposed to animal products. Then they'll cry in their Teavana shaken iced tea, I suppose.
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Check out the hotel reservations. Hotels are booking up all across the country, and the few still available are getting really pricey. People are renting out spaces in their yards for motor homes. Farmers are staking out parking lots on fallow farmland. American industrial ingenuity is hard at work, all because lots of people who understand that the earth is spherical and the moon casts its extended elliptical shadow over a curved surface know just where to be at the right moment. The one thing they'll have to gamble on is for a clear sky at the critical moments.
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They have to make plans to be away from home weeks in advance. Tens of thousands of Americans are planning their summer vacations around this astronomical event.
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Maybe they should all stop and think, "If the earth is flat, there won't be any eclipse because then the moon's shadow would never look like this."
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #701 on:** June 18, 2017, 07:21:04 PM »

There are some informative websites up and running that cover many aspects of the imminent eclipse.

This is from a site called http://www.astronomylive.com/events/events/total-solar-eclipse-2/

They show a live counter that counts down the seconds for the eclipse to start.
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Right now it's at 63 21 29 2
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But that's obsolete already. You have to visit the page to see the counter in action.
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Meg · « **Reply #702 on:** June 18, 2017, 07:24:51 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 18, 2017, 05:16:29 PM

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Points? What "points" did happenby make, pray tell? That I have not provided any empirical science?
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Do you know what empirical science is?
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See reply#693. Perhaps you missed it....though you did quote it. You didn't address it at all.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #703 on:** June 18, 2017, 07:37:20 PM »

Already known as the 'Great American Eclipse', the 2017 total solar eclipse is a spectacular one. Not only because the United States almost patented this eclipse, but because it runs from beginning till end through the US. Exactly parallel with the long axis of this country, it goes from west to east, through a staggering 10 states with maximum eclipse being visible in Kentucky at 18.25.32 Universal Coordinated Time (UTC, or "UT" for short). Second, it occurs high in the sky during the peak of the summer. This is as good as it can get! Expect many astronomers to broadcast this amazing event, brought to you through their own telescope.

The 114.7 km wide path of totality will ensure that millions will be able to watch it. The rest of North America, including the north of South America and even small parts of western Europa and Africa will see a partial block of the solar disk. You will get a good idea of the Sun-Moon-Earth system when watching the solar disk coverage from your location and comparing this with how it looks from different locations through different live streams.

If you are a US citizen and reading this, we hope you realize the impact of this grant astronomical phenomenon. Although the majority will be able to see a partial blockage of the solar disk, from almost everywhere in the US, it is NOT comparable with experiencing totality. Totality is a phenomenon where your eyes (+ eclipse glasses!) are able to see incredible details that are normally hidden. Most intriguing is the Sun's outer environment called the 'corona' which is Latin for crown. The corona is normally invisible to the human eye, due to the extreme brightness of the Sun's glare.

Also you might spot a solar flare! Solar flares are a thousand-fold more powerful than atomic bomb explosions, being blasted in space. Because these flares occur regularly, you should be able to watch some small versions at the edge of the solar disk. Imagine a situation where the sky shifts to deep twilight in minutes, birds go silent, it gets colder very quickly and the incredible celestial dance taking place in front of your eyes. Most people say this is the most incredible thing to see. An event that silences the most loud people. And this all will not be visible when you are "one inch" outside the path of totality.

So let's say we have convinced you to travel to the path of totality. You should know some facts for an optimal experience! Imagine if you were standing right on the outer edges of the 114.7 km path (North or South side), your totality will last only a fraction of a second. Going more to the middle will increase the time you are able to enjoy it, with a maximum of 2 minutes and 41.6 seconds, depending on your location.

Author: Sander Klieverik
Main image: Total Solar Eclipse 2012 by Phil Hart - http://philhart.com
Map image; copyright Fred Espenak - NASA's GSFC
Image right (below): Solar eclipse 2009 by Aaron Favila

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #704 on:** June 18, 2017, 07:45:14 PM »

Quote from: Meg on June 18, 2017, 07:24:51 PM

See reply#693. Perhaps you missed it....though you did quote it. You didn't address it at all.

Are you talking about this?
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Quote from: happenby on June 05, 2017, 07:58:54 AM

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This is all a bunch of garbage. No one cares what pagans measure because their stick is crooked. Eratosthenes was a liar in the manner of Hom and his progeny Pythagoras. He and Copernicus, Keplar, Newton and Galileo were occult dabbling pagan philosophers and full on liars. With a stack of saints against this rabble, along with the teachings of scripture and Catholic writings, not to mention empirical science, the heliocentric model continues to crash to hell. So many words from the pagans, so little content.

Quote from: happenby on June 05, 2017, 08:08:42 AM

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Ha ha, using this example, with the 93,000,000 miles distance to the heliocentric sun, the angles for said triangle (specifically the smallest angle near the sun, would not even produce a triangle, but a straight line, nearly parallel to the next side of the "triangle" for several million miles, if not the entire distances to earth. To even suggest this graphic might work means the sun has to be a lot less than 100,000 miles from earth for the outer angle near the sun to even present itself as measurable. Oops. Back to your debunking Catholic teaching drawing board.

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Would you like me to break it down into a list of questions for you?
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1. This is all a bunch of garbage.
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What should I say about that? I have been very diligent in providing details and it is all thrown back in my face calling my work "garbage." What would you do?
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2. No one cares what pagans measure because their stick is crooked.
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Now my measurements are pagan and my stick is crooked? I didn't use a stick. And I am not pagan.
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Sorry, I fail to see what "points" it is to which you refer. Please make a list of intelligent questions and then we can talk.
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Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 93098 times)

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