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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #645 on: May 15, 2017, 01:19:52 AM »
"Uh, wrong?" I was quoting you.
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You are not the messenger of the Church.
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The Church has not spoken on the subject of "flat earth." You just don't comprehend what you're reading. The shape of the world is not a matter for religious faith, just as it's not a spiritual matter to describe the electrical charge of an atom or Ohm's Law. So they're not in the Bible. The Church has not proclaimed any ruling on the shape of chromosomes, either.  Even though Our Lord began life in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary with the same shape of chromosomes that we have today, it is not a matter of faith for us to believe that the shape of chromosomes is one thing or another. It is a matter of scientific investigation. So too, the shape of the earth is a matter of scientific investigation. You can know the truth if you investigate scientifically, by taking the measurement.
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If you are looking for the truth, take the measurement.
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But you are not looking for truth, are you. Because you refuse to do the experiment. Your actions speak for themselves.
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The Church has condemned heliocentrism.  Scripture describes a flat earth CONSITENTLY.  The saints proclaim a flat earth. Science supports a flat earth.  Reason and experience prove a flat earth.  There is nothing that even begins to demonstrate a ball earth.  Earth is flat.  

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #646 on: May 15, 2017, 01:35:19 AM »
"Uh, wrong?" I was quoting you.
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You are not the messenger of the Church.
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The Church has not spoken on the subject of "flat earth." You just don't comprehend what you're reading. The shape of the world is not a matter for religious faith, just as it's not a spiritual matter to describe the electrical charge of an atom or Ohm's Law. So they're not in the Bible. The Church has not proclaimed any ruling on the shape of chromosomes, either.  Even though Our Lord began life in the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary with the same shape of chromosomes that we have today, it is not a matter of faith for us to believe that the shape of chromosomes is one thing or another. It is a matter of scientific investigation. So too, the shape of the earth is a matter of scientific investigation. You can know the truth if you investigate scientifically, by taking the measurement.
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If you are looking for the truth, take the measurement.
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But you are not looking for truth, are you. Because you refuse to do the experiment. Your actions speak for themselves.
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Saint quotes, scripture quotes, science, and reason have been provided and remain without any serious contest.  You have provided nothing Catholic, nothing scriptural, nothing from the saints, nothing from the Church, nothing reasonable. The science so-called you proclaim has been refuted.  Your entire argument is based on heliocentric model sophistries at odds with reality all couched in high sounding, long winded mumbo jumbo written by pagans poised against the Church who are utterly "global". Nothing even remotely Catholic comes from you. Since against the truth there is no argument, all creation speaks clearly, earth is not a globe.  We can continue this for the benefit of readers, but really, you lost this argument the minute you decided to take it personal, swatting about with unrelated nonsense that adds up to negative black holes of conjecture in contention with truth. 


Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #647 on: May 16, 2017, 06:18:19 PM »
Saint quotes, scripture quotes, science, and reason have been provided and remain without any serious contest.  You have provided nothing Catholic, nothing scriptural, nothing from the saints, nothing from the Church, nothing reasonable. The science so-called you proclaim has been refuted.  Your entire argument is based on heliocentric model sophistries at odds with reality all couched in high sounding, long winded mumbo jumbo written by pagans poised against the Church who are utterly "global". Nothing even remotely Catholic comes from you. Since against the truth there is no argument, all creation speaks clearly, earth is not a globe.  We can continue this for the benefit of readers, but really, you lost this argument the minute you decided to take it personal, swatting about with unrelated nonsense that adds up to negative black holes of conjecture in contention with truth.
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Are you having a mental breakdown or what?
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Your post above is a string of falsehoods.
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The Church nor the saints have had anything authoritative to say about the shape of the earth because that is not their area of authority. The Church and the saints have reliable things to say in regards to spiritual matters, but the shape of the earth is not a spiritual matter.  
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God has revealed that He will remake the earth -- there will be a new earth and the sea will be no more.  We have no idea what that will be like and frankly, it's none of our business. It is our place to have faith, and to believe that God's revelation is true. But God has not revealed the shape of the earth in words -- what He has done is given us the earth and a pair of eyes and a reasoning mind so we can figure it out by observation.
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That is precisely what I am proposing here by inviting everyone to measure the angle between the sun and the moon as the moon reaches its first and last quarter.
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You are accusing me of using a heliocentric model, which only goes to prove you don't understand what that is. I have never claimed to support heliocentrism on this forum. 
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You're hurling the ad hominem of "mumbo jumbo" at me while your whole post which see, is just that, mumbo jumbo.  
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If you're so miserable reading what I post, then why do you torture yourself?
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You and everyone else are cordially invited to measure the angle between the sun and the moon on the upcoming last quarter moon.
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Show that you are willing to observe the reality that God has given us by taking the measurement.
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Twice each month we are given God's testimony in this way, but it is up to us to look at what He has given us. You have to ask yourself if you are willing to look, or if instead you will insist on not looking at what God has given us to know.
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #648 on: May 16, 2017, 06:32:54 PM »
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Measure the angle between the sun and the moon during the last quarter moon, which is coming up this coming Thursday, May 18th, at 5:35 pm in the west coast USA.
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There should be three measurements, one at around 11 am on Wednesday (because the moon sets at 11:26 am in the west), and a second one around 12 pm on Thursday (moon sets at 12:22 pm), and a third one around 1:00 pm on Friday (moon sets at 1:21 pm).
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If you can only do one in the morning then that's better than nothing. Thursday morning and/or Friday morning would be great. The moon will be high in the sky when the sun rises, so measure the angle between the two, and post it here.
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By measuring the angle between the sun and the moon at the quarter moon, you can observe the reality that moon phases provide for us to know.  Of course, flat-earthers don't want to know the truth, so they won't take the measurement.
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You can prove me wrong by taking the measurement.
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The day after tomorrow, the best place to view the angle between the sun and moon will be Hawaii, New Zealand or anywhere else in the Pacific Ocean. The moon will set in the west later there, and so it will still be visible in the sky when it's 5:35 pm here in California, the time of the quarter moon.
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By the way, you'll have a very hard time finding any source founded on flat-earthism that can list the times of the phases of the moon, or times of sunrise and sunset, all according to time zones. That's because there is no way to calculate the time the sun or moon rises or sets when they are presumed to whirl around above a "flat" earth.
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #649 on: May 17, 2017, 04:17:49 PM »
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Are you having a mental breakdown or what?
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Your post above is a string of falsehoods.
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The Church nor the saints have had anything authoritative to say about the shape of the earth because that is not their area of authority. The Church and the saints have reliable things to say in regards to spiritual matters, but the shape of the earth is not a spiritual matter.  
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God has revealed that He will remake the earth -- there will be a new earth and the sea will be no more.  We have no idea what that will be like and frankly, it's none of our business. It is our place to have faith, and to believe that God's revelation is true. But God has not revealed the shape of the earth in words -- what He has done is given us the earth and a pair of eyes and a reasoning mind so we can figure it out by observation.
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That is precisely what I am proposing here by inviting everyone to measure the angle between the sun and the moon as the moon reaches its first and last quarter.
.
You are accusing me of using a heliocentric model, which only goes to prove you don't understand what that is. I have never claimed to support heliocentrism on this forum.
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You're hurling the ad hominem of "mumbo jumbo" at me while your whole post which see, is just that, mumbo jumbo.  
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If you're so miserable reading what I post, then why do you torture yourself?
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You and everyone else are cordially invited to measure the angle between the sun and the moon on the upcoming last quarter moon.
.
Show that you are willing to observe the reality that God has given us by taking the measurement.
.
Twice each month we are given God's testimony in this way, but it is up to us to look at what He has given us. You have to ask yourself if you are willing to look, or if instead you will insist on not looking at what God has given us to know.
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The shape of the earth is a spiritual matter because it was revealed to us in scripture.  And yes, the saints have spoken, on antipodes, Jerusalem in the middle of the earth, the tabernacle (which is designed from the shape of the earth) and against heliocentrism, the modern NASA lie that embodies a moving globe.  When you come up to speed on Church teaching on the matter, all will be light for you.