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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #480 on: March 26, 2017, 11:42:59 AM »
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  • Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects. Canals, railways, bridges and tunnels for example are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles without any allowance for curvature.


    No engineer has claimed that what they do are perfectly horizontal for miles.

    The most naturally horizontal surface is a frozen body of water extending hundreds of miles, and that which is seen with a telescope that far away goes further and further below the horizon.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #481 on: March 26, 2017, 02:24:17 PM »
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  • You have made a number of typos, I guess. But I'm presuming they were accidental. Maybe that's a mistake of my own, I don't know.

    In any event, the guy you refer to in the video who claims to be an "engineer" is faking it because all engineers know there are two grades or degrees of surveying, the lower one of which does not consider the curvature of the earth because it's too small. The higher one deals with larger distances like the perimeter of a state or a national park or the southwest USA or an entire continent, and that HAS to consider the curvature or else they'll have incorrect data. 

    In California, since the state is so large north and south, there are three benchmarks for real estate because if they used only one the error would be too much for accuracy of property lines. If the earth were flat, they would not need more than one benchmark for real estate property descriptions. Every deed of property in Calif. has on it the name of the benchmark used in the description.

    I know it is of no use, but AGAIN, if you could please try (I know it's so hard for you) to refrain from personal insult, it would be a big help. But on second thought, go ahead and continue to post how you think I must look or how I must think or how I must feel, or why I've done something or not in your estimation, because that way you expose your own character for all to see.

    But if you'd like to make a case for yourself, then measure the angle between the sun and moon at the next quarter moon, which will be on April 3rd, as the video I posted above describes. Come back here, if you are capable that is, and post what your measurement was. Take your measurement in the late afternoon about a half hour before sunset, when you'll find the moon directly overhead and slightly to the north. Let's see if you can do something constructive for a change, instead of just complaining as if you were a woman.

    I forgot to correct one very important mistake of Neil.

    If you actually listen to the interview, you will hear that the engineer talks PRECISELY about the two types of surveys.

    The smaller surveys should take into account the curvature but don't. Which is the problem.

    The larger surveys are very rare.

    Neil, you really have exposed yourself now. Calling it a fake, when you have not even listened to it, is bad, even for you.


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #482 on: March 26, 2017, 03:15:27 PM »
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  • In this 4-minute video, at 0:40 +, they show a picture of how a triangle looks on the globe when it has three 90-degree interior angles. The top angle is at the north pole, and the lower two are at the equator: the Prime Meridian north of the equator and the 90 deg. west meridian north of the equator, respectively. In this map, GHA = 8 hours (one fourth of 24 hours -- if you don't know what GHA means then watch the last 5 videos below). The reason this triangle can have greater than 180 deg. total for its interior angles (which is the rule for triangles on a flat plane, such as "flat" earth) is that the figure occurs on the surface of a sphere, and this additional total degrees of the interior angles is due to spherical excess. As applied in the real world, when traveling at a right angle from the equator to the north pole along the Prime Meridian, one moves in a straight line ahead, even while gradually curving "downward" following the curvature of the earth. When traveling west from the Prime Meridian to the 90th meridian, likewise, one need not change compass direction due west, but moves straight ahead (due west) while necessarily curving "downward" following the curvature of the earth.

    To pronounce the obvious, on a "flat" earth model, moving north along each of the two meridians one would not be turning but going straight ahead, however, when moving from the Prime Meridian to the 90th along the equator, one would be continually turning right because on the "flat" earth model, the equator is curved. Needless to say, any navigator knows that traveling thusly west on the equator does not require turning at all, but one only needs to maintain a dead-ahead rudder while he moves toward the horizon straight ahead.

    This video gives a brief overview of what a navigator is doing when he fills out a Sight Reduction Form (shown at the end of the video at 3:37):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbKcaTimMI&feature=youtu.be

    None of this material makes any sense if one presumes the earth is flat.

    Any so-called navigator who disagrees with these techniques is no navigator at all, but a fraud.  It might be possible to "get by," learning how to use a computer and mechanically putting in data as needed without understanding what the computer is doing with the data, but that's not what true navigators are supposed to be doing -- AND IF caught without access to a computer, they would be entirely lost as to how to navigate manually.

    And their passengers would likely die. Even if they were to survive, such so-called navigators would lose their job that way, being exposed for the frauds they are.

    This video is by a veteran military navigator who actually understands the theory behind what he was doing on the job:



    Here is a set of 4 videos (three by one source and one by another) that covers the basics of navigation by air or by sea, which can be used for manual computation or with the help of a computer, but without GPS (Global Position Satellite). This is how sailors have been navigating for the past 4 centuries, and it is still used today, when one does not avail access to GPS or in an emergency when the GPS is for whatever reason inoperable.

    Celestial Navigation part 1 CELESTIAL COORDINATE SYSTEM:



    (Note: these first 3 videos attempt to say that the earth really spins on its axis, however, for simplicity they presume the earth to be stationary "like ancient man believed" and conduct their calculations accordingly. It is noteworthy that when JPL computes the trajectory of a rocket taking off, they too presume the earth is stationary. Curious, eh?)

    Celestial Navigation part 2 HORIZON COORDINATE SYSTEM:



    Celestial navigation part 3, INTERCEPT method:



    This video is over an hour long, but starting at 55 minutes, it shows application in great detail of the previous 3 videos that were very abbreviated:



    Finally, if anyone gets this far and actually wants to know the theory behind spherical excess, the following video provides a general formula in the context of a spherical triangle (which is defined as the interior shape bounded by three great circles) of any size on a sphere of given radius:




    Northern hemisphere in the polar aspect of Ginzburg's second modified azimuthal projection
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #483 on: March 26, 2017, 03:28:57 PM »
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  • I forgot to correct one very important mistake of Neil.

    If you actually listen to the interview, you will hear that the engineer talks PRECISELY about the two types of surveys.

    The smaller surveys should take into account the curvature but don't. Which is the problem.

    The larger surveys are very rare.

    Neil, you really have exposed yourself now. Calling it a fake, when you have not even listened to it, is bad, even for you.
    I heard the interview. The two types of surveys are used for two types of measurement, large scale and small scale. Most surveys are small scale because that's what most demand for surveys require. Large scale surveys are rare because they are not needed as often, obviously. 
    But as is typical of your posts, you are ignoring the challenge I have given you.
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    If you'd like to make a case for yourself, then measure the angle between the sun and moon at the next quarter moon, which will be on April 3rd, as the video I posted above describes. Come back here, if you are capable that is, and post what your measurement was. Take your measurement in the late afternoon about a half hour before sunset, when you'll find the moon directly overhead and slightly to the north. Let's see if you can do something constructive for a change, instead of just complaining as if you were a woman.
    Do you understand? Or not? 
    Measure the angle between the sun and moon that you see in the sky on April 3rd.
    You have already missed your chance to see where the sun rises and sets on the spring equinox. So you'll have to wait for the autumn equinox for your next chance -- which you'll no doubt miss as well, because you don't want to know the truth, do you.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #484 on: March 26, 2017, 03:55:35 PM »
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  • No engineer has claimed that what they do are perfectly horizontal for miles.

    The most naturally horizontal surface is a frozen body of water extending hundreds of miles, and that which is seen with a telescope that far away goes further and further below the horizon.
    I used to think that too -- "below the horizon." Now I realize that I was brainwashed by the Kabbalasitic - Freemasonic NASA/ fake science/ fake media/ fake education system. Just as two parallel lines will APPEAR to merge in the distance, or a car driving down the two parallel lines will appear in disappear -- both are due only to the distance and perspective.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #485 on: March 26, 2017, 11:04:43 PM »
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  • Lambert's Azimuthal Equal-area Projection

    (Updated source page):

    http://www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjAz/ProjAzNP/projAzNP.html


    Azimuthal equal-area maps
    North polar aspectEquatorial aspect, central meridian 5°E
    Western hemisphere, central meridian 110°WEastern hemisphere, central meridian 70°E
    Like the superficially similar azimuthal equidistant, the azimuthal projection published by Johann H. Lambert in 1772 strongly distorts shapes in the boundary of a worldwide map. However, the radial scale is not constant: in the polar aspect, parallels get closer together towards the border, just enough to preserve areas.
    Relatively simple in construction, this projection is frequently used in all aspects.
    The polar aspect of Lambert's azimuthal projection was independently devised by Anton-Mario Lorgna (1789), and during a short period named after him.


    Equatorial aspect of azimuthal equidistant projection, showing all land surfaces on earth:




    Equitorial aspect, central meridian 5 degrees east:





    Western hemisphere in equatorial aspect of Lambert's azimuthal equal-area projection,
    central meridian 110 deg. W:





    Eastern hemisphere in equatorial aspect of Lambert's azimuthal equal-area projection,
    central meridian 70 deg. E:



    This is 300 year-old news. Depending on your choice of how to distort the surface of the land masses and oceans on earth, you get different pictures of it on a flat surface. This is because you can't have everything when you translate a spherical surface onto a flat one. It's like trying to make an orange peel lie flat, or a deflated beach ball. 

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #486 on: March 27, 2017, 03:31:30 PM »
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  • I heard the interview. The two types of surveys are used for two types of measurement, large scale and small scale. Most surveys are small scale because that's what most demand for surveys require. Large scale surveys are rare because they are not needed as often, obviously.
    But as is typical of your posts, you are ignoring the challenge I have given you.Do you understand? Or not?
    Measure the angle between the sun and moon that you see in the sky on April 3rd.
    You have already missed your chance to see where the sun rises and sets on the spring equinox. So you'll have to wait for the autumn equinox for your next chance -- which you'll no doubt miss as well, because you don't want to know the truth, do you.

    If you watched the video, then you will retract what you said about him being a fraud.

    I already explained how this experiment you  want me to do will prove nothing. If the earth can be shown to not have the curvature NASA says it does, then it matters little what is up in the sky. That is why I keep coming back to it and pressuring you to answer questions on it. And that is why you keep ignoring it.
    And that is why you are clogging up the thread with such long posts - to distract.

    By the way, I had a look at the video you posted "proving the earth is not flat". Most of these guys objections have been answered by intelligent flat earthers. But there were some sligtly new ones. His claim about the curvature of the earth is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between two points 100 miles apart in the horizon. Look it up yourself and see.

    Secondly the objection about the orange is ridiculous. A sphere by definition is a 3dimensional circle. So of course you would see a curve. His video even shows us cutting of the orange and having us place ourselves on the flat part of the orange. But we don't do that if we are on a ball! He asks us if we understand. Of course not! He's talking rubbish.

    He talks about perspective and criticises the guy for saying that his sun is always the same size.  But they guy was using a cartoon as an ILLUSTRATION. We know from common sense observation that the sun changes size (as we look at it.)


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #487 on: March 28, 2017, 09:54:47 PM »
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  • If you watched the video, then you will retract what you said about him being a fraud.

    I already explained how this experiment you  want me to do will prove nothing. If the earth can be shown to not have the curvature NASA says it does, then it matters little what is up in the sky. That is why I keep coming back to it and pressuring you to answer questions on it. And that is why you keep ignoring it.
    And that is why you are clogging up the thread with such long posts - to distract.

    By the way, I had a look at the video you posted "proving the earth is not flat". Most of these guys objections have been answered by intelligent flat earthers. But there were some sligtly new ones. His claim about the curvature of the earth is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between two points 100 miles apart in the horizon. Look it up yourself and see.

    Secondly the objection about the orange is ridiculous. A sphere by definition is a 3dimensional circle. So of course you would see a curve. His video even shows us cutting of the orange and having us place ourselves on the flat part of the orange. But we don't do that if we are on a ball! He asks us if we understand. Of course not! He's talking rubbish.

    He talks about perspective and criticises the guy for saying that his sun is always the same size.  But they guy was using a cartoon as an ILLUSTRATION. We know from common sense observation that the sun changes size (as we look at it.)
    I watched the video and he is a fraud. Why should I retract the truth? I have known professional navigators myself and they just laugh at frauds like that. Wake up!

    So you refuse to make a simple observation, and the reason must be because you don't want to know the truth. I see very well, thank you.  You say that what is visible to us up in the sky doesn't matter. Your words speak for themselves. 

    I am ignoring nothing. I look to the sky and see what I see and comment on it and you can't stand to hear about it because the truth is not in you.

    The long posts I made above are for those who want to know, and apparently that's not you.

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    By the way, I had a look at the video you posted "proving the earth is not flat". Most of these guys objections have been answered by intelligent flat earthers. But there were some sligtly [slightly?] new ones. His claim about the curvature of the earth is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between two points 100 miles apart in the horizon. Look it up yourself and see.
    I have yet to see any "intelligent flat earthers" -- their words contradict themselves again and again, and they, like you, refuse to look in the sky and see what they see and recognize their ideas are all nonsense when compared to what is actually visible in the sky. 

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    He talks about perspective and criticises the guy for saying that his sun is always the same size.  But they guy was using a cartoon as an ILLUSTRATION. We know from common sense observation that the sun changes size (as we look at it.)
    No, the sun does not change size as we look at it. (There are times when earth is closer or further away from the sun but the size of the sun is affected so minimally that the difference in apparent size is not even measurable without sophisticated equipment.) There are times when the sun is near the horizon, low in the sky, when distortion makes it appear larger as so does the moon at times, but notice those are when the sun ought to appear SMALLER if it were further away like flat-earthers claim it is (only 3,000 miles high, etc.). So that only further HURTS your incorrect perception of reality.

    It's interesting to me that there are people alive today who continue to disregard the simple observations we can all make in the sky to demonstrate the fact that the earth is not flat but a spheroid. It has been helpful to me to have these conversations online because now I know what is happening, and it is the same kind of thing that happened in the Church when modern philosophers attacked the foundations of correct thinking. 

    Flat-earthers don't care what is visible in the sky because they only see what they WANT to see, since it is their flatness paradigm that is to them a false god which they must protect at all costs. For them, reality is in the mind, just as it was for Karl Marx and Charles Darwin and Immanuel Kant. If they don't like what someone says, they simply deny the reality like the Irish Protestant "bishop" Berkeley did. 

    There is nothing new under the sun. 


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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #488 on: March 29, 2017, 10:42:43 AM »
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  • I watched the video and he is a fraud. Why should I retract the truth? I have known professional navigators myself and they just laugh at frauds like that. Wake up!

    So you refuse to make a simple observation, and the reason must be because you don't want to know the truth. I see very well, thank you.  You say that what is visible to us up in the sky doesn't matter. Your words speak for themselves.

    I am ignoring nothing. I look to the sky and see what I see and comment on it and you can't stand to hear about it because the truth is not in you.

    The long posts I made above are for those who want to know, and apparently that's not you.
    I have yet to see any "intelligent flat earthers" -- their words contradict themselves again and again, and they, like you, refuse to look in the sky and see what they see and recognize their ideas are all nonsense when compared to what is actually visible in the sky.
    No, the sun does not change size as we look at it. (There are times when earth is closer or further away from the sun but the size of the sun is affected so minimally that the difference in apparent size is not even measurable without sophisticated equipment.) There are times when the sun is near the horizon, low in the sky, when distortion makes it appear larger as so does the moon at times, but notice those are when the sun ought to appear SMALLER if it were further away like flat-earthers claim it is (only 3,000 miles high, etc.). So that only further HURTS your incorrect perception of reality.

    It's interesting to me that there are people alive today who continue to disregard the simple observations we can all make in the sky to demonstrate the fact that the earth is not flat but a spheroid. It has been helpful to me to have these conversations online because now I know what is happening, and it is the same kind of thing that happened in the Church when modern philosophers attacked the foundations of correct thinking.

    Flat-earthers don't care what is visible in the sky because they only see what they WANT to see, since it is their flatness paradigm that is to them a false god which they must protect at all costs. For them, reality is in the mind, just as it was for Karl Marx and Charles Darwin and Immanuel Kant. If they don't like what someone says, they simply deny the reality like the Irish Protestant "bishop" Berkeley did.

    There is nothing new under the sun.



    You cannot dismiss someone as a fraud because you don't like what he is saying. You have to give substantial, instrinsic reasons for saying so.

    The sun does appear different in size. Not my problem if you want to deny it.

    It all comes down to looking at the evidence. The earth appears flat because it IS flat. We see objects over the horizon because there is NOT the curvature that NASA says is there.

    Let he who has ears to hear listen.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #489 on: March 29, 2017, 11:19:59 PM »
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  • There are multiple sets of three locations on earth that fit this description.
    The simplest to describe is one at the north pole, two at the 90th longitude and equator, three at the prime meridian and equator. The angle between each adjacent location is 90 degrees in each case, yet together they form a triangle on the surface of the earth, since you can arrive at the next place by traveling in a straight line over the surface. You get from two to three by going due east.
    That can only happen on a globe, and it cannot happen on a "flat" earth.
    The quote referred to above is as follows:

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    Quote from: Neil Obstat on March 22, 2017, 01:29:00 AM
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    When you expand this triangle sufficiently, you can get three 90-degree angles.
    Anyone with familiarity with basic geometry knows that a triangle cannot have 3 right angles.
    But on a sphere, you can have a triangle with 3 right angles, with spherical excess.

    This has to go down on record as one of the dumbest things ever written at Cathinfo.

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    My description may have been a bit lacking in detail, and I can't post a drawing of it. The triangle I refer to on the globe is copied to a "flat earth" model showing the two due north legs of the triangle that converge at the north pole as straight lines. One goes from the pole to the equator at the 90th meridian and the other goes from the pole to the equator along the Prime Meridian. These two should be easy to understand for all readers.

    However, the third leg of the (spherical) triangle is seen as a CURVED line on the "flat earth" model, proceeding along the equator from the 90th meridian to the Prime Meridian (0 degrees). Even so, on the globe this is a straight line when viewed from the plane of the equator, that is, directly above the equator with the rest of the equator going in a straight line right and left with the other half of the equatorial circle out of view since it's behind the globe.  

    It is a simple fact that a ship or airplane proceeding along the equator does not need to turn right or left in order to remain on the equator. Any real navigator knows this. Therefore any course remaining on the equator follows a path straight ahead, or "dead rudder" which means this leg of the triangle is a straight line, and not a curve.

    It is a spherical triangle, since it occurs on the surface of a sphere. It is defined by the geometrical shape bounded by three different great circles of the same sphere.

    The spherical triangle I am describing is only possible on a sphere. The following video describes such triangles which occur on the face of a sphere:





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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #490 on: March 29, 2017, 11:25:19 PM »
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  • No flat earthier has explained the Achilles heel of the flat earth theory:

    The south celestial pole. Explain two poles in a flat earth where people in multiple locations in the southern ("outer") hemisphere observe the same celestial rotation around a single point.

    Explain this without recourse to a sphere and I will become a flat earther.
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #491 on: March 29, 2017, 11:33:54 PM »
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  • No flat earthier has explained the Achilles heel of the flat earth theory:

    The south celestial pole. Explain two poles in a flat earth where people in multiple locations in the southern ("outer") hemisphere observe the same celestial rotation around a single point.

    Explain this without recourse to a sphere and I will become a flat earther.
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    One of the videos I posted above points this out, what you say here, noting that three observers on the earth all see the Southern Cross and the Pointers (Alpha and Beta Centauri) in the southern sky. When one observer is in South Africa, one is in Argentina and the third in Australia, they all look south and see the same thing (although orientated differently about the south celestial pole).

    But on the "flat earth" model, these three observers must be looking in 3 divergent directions like three spokes on a 3-spoke wheel. (Imagine the logo for Mercedes Benz.) By looking in 3 very different directions, how could they possibly be seeing the same point in the sky?
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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #492 on: March 30, 2017, 03:47:46 AM »
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  • No flat earthier has explained the Achilles heel of the flat earth theory:

    The south celestial pole. Explain two poles in a flat earth where people in multiple locations in the southern ("outer") hemisphere observe the same celestial rotation around a single point.

    Explain this without recourse to a sphere and I will become a flat earther.

    I'd be interested  in seeing clear evidence of what you are talking about, and how exactly you feel this is impossible on a flat disc.

    By the way,

    Are you aware that flat earthers are open to question about maps?

    Are you aware that our proofs are based on the earth on not on the sky? Lack of curvature: http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f9-flat-earth-proofs

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #493 on: March 30, 2017, 02:14:51 PM »
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  • the answer to your question is contained in this video on the star trails actually.



    a few minutes in, but you need to watch the first few minutes to understand clearly what is going on.

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    Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
    « Reply #494 on: April 01, 2017, 03:07:51 PM »
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  • the answer to your question is contained in this video on the star trails actually.



    a few minutes in, but you need to watch the first few minutes to understand clearly what is going on.

    The video you posted there has erroneous panels for each item, from beginning to end. It is a compendium of false premise, incorrect thinking, lack of reason, illogical conclusions and lies. 

    Do you want examples? It would take me hours to list them all. 

    Take minute 2, for instance. It says, 

    "As you travel Southwards [sic] from the North Pole, Polaris and its surrounding stars decline in the sky due to perspective, so at the North Pole Polaris is situated directly 90 degrees above your head, but at the mid-Northern [sic] latitudes (like here) [Where?] it's about 45+/- degrees."

    Nowhere in the video does it explain where "here" is, so perhaps he means the 45th parallel north. I don't know. If so, that would put him somewhere around the southern border of Canada, approximately. But we can't be sure since he doesn't really say. 

    Ambiguity, like at Vatican II, is the rule of the day with flat-earthers.

    The term "southwards" needs no capitalization, but curiously for a flat-earther, most of whom deny the very existence of the south direction, not only is it referred to, it is Capitalized. Odd. Perhaps this particular flat-earther denies south sometimes when it's a difficulty but refers to it at other times, like now, when it's convenient. I don't know if he does or not because flat-earthers are very difficult to keep track of with their opportune inconsistencies. But I digress.

    While it's true that the stars in the sky seem to change position due to perspective, this change is extremely small compared to the constant and predictable change that occurs due to the curvature of the earth, which is a reasonably constant curve, very close to circular in all directions. For our purposes the amount of variation is negligible so we can say it is entirely circular. For each degree of movement from the north terrestrial pole toward the equator (and ultimately the south pole), the north star, Polaris, moves just one degree downward toward the north pole. One terrestrial degree is equivalent to 60 nautical miles. So for the first 10 degrees south from the north pole, Polaris moves 10 degrees downward, and for the next 10 degrees south on the earth's surface, Polaris moves another 10 degrees downward. By the time one arrives at the equator, which is 90 degrees from the north pole, Polaris has moved just 90 degrees downward, which is why it is then found at the horizon line. This is entirely explained by the curvature of the earth, and not by perspective, because if it were perspective, Polaris would only have moved perhaps one degree, since it is at such a great distance from earth. Flat-earthers claim that the distance to Polaris is only a few thousand miles in order to perpetrate this falsehood that the movement of Polaris is entirely due to perspective. 

    But just as the enormously greater distance from earth to the sun compared to distance from earth to the moon is easily demonstrated by a simple observation you can make the day after tomorrow, April 3rd, 2017, so too the distance to Polaris is easily demonstrated to be many many times the distance to the sun. In fact it is thousands of times further to Polaris than it is to the sun from earth. Consequently, the light rays from Polaris reaching earth are effectively presumed (and rightly so) to be parallel lines. Again, flat-earthers deny this and claim they are far from parallel, but that only complicates their model for other reasons, leading them to additional self-contradictions. 

    In only 27 more seconds (2:27) the video shows a very odd and self-contradictory drawing that points to the ground with an arrow "land horizon" and then draws a line to the right at 30 degrees inclination to a place on the right side labeled "sky horizon." A note under this triangle says, "everything in the dark section is behind the horizon." There is no explanation given for why something obviously straight ahead of the viewer would be "behind the horizon." What is being done here is an attempt to set up a false premise. The man figure on the left side as we all know, is a man standing on the ground, which we can do, and the flat line under his feet accurately describes the flat ground under our feet.  When we look to the right or to the left or straight ahead or behind us, we can see to the horizon and we can see the ground going to the horizon. There is no such thing as a "dark section (...) behind the horizon" that we can't see. By insinuating this illogical error, the author is hoping a gullible viewer will buy into his lie so that he can build more erroneous thinking on top of it. Our limitations on seeing things far away is aided by telescopes which bring into view things we would not be able to see without them. An improvement on the telescope is binoculars which give us the ability to see relative distance of things far away, even if they appear to be more flattened-out than they do when we are physically up close to them. If the author were referring to things that we could see if we had a telescope, he did not say that, and as you will find out later, that cannot be what he's talking about because he really wants the viewer to believe that there are things straight ahead of our viewing angle that we are incapable of seeing because they're in the "dark section behind the horizon," whatever that means.


    That's one part of the first two and a half minutes of inaccuracies, half-truths and total errors.
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