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Quote from: Neil Obstat

Look at what these crazy people think -- that they can crawl past the Ice Wall and look at the south celestial pole!  

Ridiculous!



They would have to crawl over the edge of the earth and look down to see what the stars look like under the earth.

Chicken scratch.  What does someone's inaccurate drawing and vague terminology have to do with reality?  Does anyone think for one minute that a couple of intersecting lines with a sprinkling of stars and dots is enough to erase what scripture says about the sun, moon and stars under the firmament?

Scripture says the firmament, a hard dome like glass, is above the earth. It is called God's handywork because it can be seen, not to mention that there is water above it.  Where's that on a ball earth? There is no possible way that scripture's description of the firmament, sun, moon and stars can be reconciled with modern science's lies. All the lines and polka dots in the world will never make earth a globe.  

Totally!

Why, no one can look up into the sky in the south Atlantic (or Australia) and see stars with that configuration, eh?

If you want to know how to identify and use the Southern Cross, your first stop should be the Bible!  

Which book, chapter and verse would that be?

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Weems & Plath Star Finder.  The Star Finder is an invaluable tool for celestial navigators to plan star and planet sights; but it can also be used by amateur star gazers for general star identification. Graphically portrays altitude and azimuth of fifty-seven numbered stars in air and nautical almanacs.  Includes special diagrams that permit rapid check of hour angle and means of finding altitude and azimuth of unplotted celestial bodies or identification of unplotted bodies from known altitude and azimuth.  Allows the plotting of additional celestial bodies on the star base.


'Crux', The Southern Cross

The southern cross is the best known constelation in the southern hemisphere.

However, unlike the navigator in the northern hemisphere, the southerner has no fixed star conveniently placed to mark the South Celestial pole.

Quite the opposite, there is in fact an inky-black dark patch across that area of sky.

This dark patch looking like a hole in the firmament is actually a cloud of gas obscuring any stars beyond, which has been appropriately called the ‘Coal Sack’.



To find out where in this ‘coal sack’ the south celestial pole lies, there are, fortunately several ‘pointers’, the most famous of which is the Southern Cross.

The Southern Cross, the constellation ‘Crux’, is in one of the brightest portions of the southern Milky Way.

It is also one of the smallest constellations.

Fortunately three of its stars Acrux, Mimosa and Gacrux are among the brightest objects in the night sky.

Counter clockwise next to Crux are another pair of bright stars Alpha and Beta Centauri which are known as the ‘Southern Pointers’.

An imaginary straight line drawn clockwise across the pointers will point towards the head of the cross.

It’s important to identify the cross using the pointers as there are several other cross like groups of stars, including the one known as the ‘false cross’.

Once the cross has been correctly identified, if we draw an imaginary line through its head and carry it on through the bottom, somewhere along this line where it crosses the ‘coal sack’, is the South Celestial Pole.

If we then draw a perpendicular line from that imaginary line running between 'Pointer Stars' and extend this into the ‘coal sack’, where it crosses the line from the cross is the position of the South Celestial Pole.

If this perpendicular line from the pointers were extended beyond the celestial pole it would point to Achernar a very bright star an equal distance beyond the pole.

Another position line can be drawn from the ‘Southern Triangle’.

A line from the apex of this star group cutting the base at right angles, then extended, will also cross the position of the South Celestial Pole.

Terrestrial south is of course directly below the south celestial pole.


Quiz:
1. Where is terrestrial south located?  
2. What is the zenith of the terrestrial south pole called?
3. What is another name for the nadir of the south celestial pole?
4. What are the names of the two "Southern Pointers" stars?
5. When we look for the southern pole star, what do we see instead?
6. Why don't we use that (#5 above) just like we use Polaris in the north?
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Ans 1: directly below the south celestial pole.
Ans 2: the south celestial pole.
Ans 3: that is the terrestrial south pole.
Ans 4: Alpha Centauri and Beta Centauri.
Ans 5: The Coal Sack.
Ans 6: The Coal Sack is not useful because it is a vast void of information.