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Offline ManuelChavez

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« Reply #435 on: March 16, 2017, 09:09:09 AM »
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    At this point I think it is clear that Bumphrey and Neil are either mentally defective, consumed with some kind of diabolical pride, or both.


    Please do not accuse anyone in such a manner. It is not conducive to any sort of discussion, and it also tends to work against the user of such language.


    Oh, please Manuel. You're going to sermonize to the flat earthers on what constitutes good behavior after calling us stupid or crazy on a regular basis? Give me a break.


    I did not sermonize, nor have I participated in these insults.

    I don't care for insults from any side of this discussion. I happened to notice this particular one, for its use of the word "diabolical", a word which here means "of, relating to, or characteristic of the devil".

    No one here should be branded as having a characteristic of the devil. It is a poor choice of words, and poor judgement to argue in such a manner.

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    awwww did I hurt your fweeelings? Would you like a hankie? here you go little girl.

    By the way, why are you so important that we have to convince you, your highness?


    If your argument cannot stand without insult or without ad hominem, then your argument has failed. If you cannot control yourself or your passions, and if cannot act as a Traditional Catholic adult, them you should remain silent until you can speak to others as such.

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    « Reply #436 on: March 16, 2017, 10:36:38 AM »
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    Maybe you could use this image as a photo of how the "flat" earth was formed:



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    Scripture has most certainly defined the shape of the earth

    No, the Church has not defined the shape of the earth.
    You're hallucinating, again.

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    and the Church condemned heliocentrism based on scripture. Obviously, you don't read much scripture, because its references and descriptions of earth make round/moving earth totally impossible. You sound like the pro-aborts who say the Church has no business in women's personal lives because of separation of Church and state.

    Sad.



    You're right, the Church hasn't defined the shape of the earth. And yet the Jews of old believed in a flat earth. I assume that you've seen a drawing of what they believed. There's probably one on this thread somewhere. Were the Jews of old then wrong about the shape of the earth, which they based on Scripture? (Old Testament).
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    « Reply #437 on: March 16, 2017, 10:38:51 AM »
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    It's really self-contradictory for you to claim that photos are not to be believed because they're CGI, etc., and then you are happy to post images like the one shown on the video below. That picture of star trails you see there is nowhere to be seen in the world, for it is a total fabrication from flat-earther obtuseness. Just another fable for fable bearers, eh?

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    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]


    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.



    Are you basing your claim that the video is falsified on clear proof, or are you basing it just on your assumption that it's wrong because you don't believe that the earth is flat?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #438 on: March 16, 2017, 12:13:33 PM »
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    What are you talking about? Timelapse photography is pretty straightforward. Have you ever made timelapse photos yourself? For your information, I have. I have made many timelapse photos. I have taken star tracks north and south of the equator. So I know what I'm talking about.


    Here's some more lovely timelapses, both with the trails left in, and without, and they show the trails moving in different directions, over a not-very-wide-angle shot even.


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    « Reply #439 on: March 16, 2017, 01:40:37 PM »
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    No one here should be branded as having a characteristic of the devil. It is a poor choice of words, and poor judgement to argue in such a manner.

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    Then it is time to take your own advice.

    You do not like it being implied that your blindness and disregard for Scripture is "diabolical" in nature, and FE'ers do not like the implication that they are "stupid."


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    « Reply #440 on: March 16, 2017, 03:02:49 PM »
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    If your argument cannot stand without insult or without ad hominem, then your argument has failed. If you cannot control yourself or your passions, and if cannot act as a Traditional Catholic adult, them you should remain silent until you can speak to others as such.


    ok buddy, you're not getting away with that. I was not being insulting as another user said earlier. Simply stating the reality of others public behaviour.

    Secondly, if you weren't so lazy and actually read my posts, you would see that I do not use ad hominem arguments at all to make the case for the flat earth.

    I have no problem responding to objections by people of good will, but these characters are not of good will and are spoiling everything for everyone else. They are clearly derailing the threads.

    No why don't YOU leave us alone unless you have some genuine objections. But it is unlikely because you seem interested mostly in deliberately misinterpreting flat earthers and their behaviour.

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    « Reply #441 on: March 16, 2017, 07:48:52 PM »
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    No one here should be branded as having a characteristic of the devil. It is a poor choice of words, and poor judgement to argue in such a manner.

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    Then it is time to take your own advice.

    You do not like it being implied that your blindness and disregard for Scripture is "diabolical" in nature, and FE'ers do not like the implication that they are "stupid."


    I do not disregard Scriptures, and I do not believe that those who espouse a flat earth are "stupid".

    I am not convinced of the flat earth theory, as I have many questions regarding some of the finer details. I endeavor, however, to entertain the possibility of a flat earth, as I do not have a complete picture of the theory, and it is currently out of the question to journey into space to have a better look at the earth for myself.

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    « Reply #442 on: March 16, 2017, 09:20:13 PM »
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    No one here should be branded as having a characteristic of the devil. It is a poor choice of words, and poor judgement to argue in such a manner.

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    Then it is time to take your own advice.

    You do not like it being implied that your blindness and disregard for Scripture is "diabolical" in nature, and FE'ers do not like the implication that they are "stupid."


    I do not disregard Scriptures, and I do not believe that those who espouse a flat earth are "stupid".

    I am not convinced of the flat earth theory, as I have many questions regarding some of the finer details. I endeavor, however, to entertain the possibility of a flat earth, as I do not have a complete picture of the theory, and it is currently out of the question to journey into space to have a better look at the earth for myself.



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    « Reply #443 on: March 17, 2017, 01:18:17 PM »
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    « Reply #444 on: March 17, 2017, 08:41:34 PM »
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  • Look at what these crazy people think -- that they can crawl past the Ice Wall and look at the south celestial pole!  

    Ridiculous!



    They would have to crawl over the edge of the earth and look down to see what the stars look like under the earth.

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    « Reply #445 on: March 17, 2017, 09:54:35 PM »
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    Look at what these crazy people think -- that they can crawl past the Ice Wall and look at the south celestial pole!  

    Ridiculous!



    They would have to crawl over the edge of the earth and look down to see what the stars look like under the earth.



    Chicken scratch.  What does someone's inaccurate drawing and vague terminology have to do with reality?  Does anyone think for one minute that a couple of intersecting lines with a sprinkling of stars and dots is enough to erase what scripture says about the sun, moon and stars under the firmament?

    Scripture says the firmament, a hard dome like glass, is above the earth. It is called God's handywork because it can be seen, not to mention that there is water above it.  Where's that on a ball earth? There is no possible way that scripture's description of the firmament, sun, moon and stars can be reconciled with modern science's lies. All the lines and polka dots in the world will never make earth a globe.  


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    « Reply #446 on: March 18, 2017, 12:07:00 AM »
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    Look at what these crazy people think -- that they can crawl past the Ice Wall and look at the south celestial pole!  

    Ridiculous!



    They would have to crawl over the edge of the earth and look down to see what the stars look like under the earth.


    Chicken scratch.  What does someone's inaccurate drawing and vague terminology have to do with reality?  Does anyone think for one minute that a couple of intersecting lines with a sprinkling of stars and dots is enough to erase what scripture says about the sun, moon and stars under the firmament?

    Scripture says the firmament, a hard dome like glass, is above the earth. It is called God's handywork because it can be seen, not to mention that there is water above it.  Where's that on a ball earth? There is no possible way that scripture's description of the firmament, sun, moon and stars can be reconciled with modern science's lies. All the lines and polka dots in the world will never make earth a globe.  


    Totally!

    Why, no one can look up into the sky in the south Atlantic (or Australia) and see stars with that configuration, eh?

    If you want to know how to identify and use the Southern Cross, your first stop should be the Bible!  

    Which book, chapter and verse would that be?

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    « Reply #447 on: March 18, 2017, 12:18:31 AM »
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    Look at what these crazy people think -- that they can crawl past the Ice Wall and look at the south celestial pole!  

    Ridiculous!



    They would have to crawl over the edge of the earth and look down to see what the stars look like under the earth.


    Chicken scratch.  What does someone's inaccurate drawing and vague terminology have to do with reality?  Does anyone think for one minute that a couple of intersecting lines with a sprinkling of stars and dots is enough to erase what scripture says about the sun, moon and stars under the firmament?

    Scripture says the firmament, a hard dome like glass, is above the earth. It is called God's handywork because it can be seen, not to mention that there is water above it.  Where's that on a ball earth? There is no possible way that scripture's description of the firmament, sun, moon and stars can be reconciled with modern science's lies. All the lines and polka dots in the world will never make earth a globe.  


    Totally!

    Why, no one can look up into the sky in the south Atlantic (or Australia) and see stars with that configuration, eh?

    If you want to know how to identify and use the Southern Cross, your first stop should be the Bible!  

    Which book, chapter and verse would that be?

    I don't doubt the attempt here is to show the Southern Cross and some angles to deny flat earth. But whatever is intended to come across does not come across.  It is incomplete at best and is ignorant with regard to alternatives you can't fathom. If this alone is intended to prove earth cannot be a plane, it is woefully lacking.

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    « Reply #448 on: March 18, 2017, 12:46:01 AM »
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  • West Marine is a superstore of Marine equipment and tools, for people who actually use them.

    How about this item, Weems & Plath Star Finder:


    Weems & Plath Star Finder.  The Star Finder is an invaluable tool for celestial navigators to plan star and planet sights; but it can also be used by amateur star gazers for general star identification. Graphically portrays altitude and azimuth of fifty-seven numbered stars in air and nautical almanacs.  Includes special diagrams that permit rapid check of hour angle and means of finding altitude and azimuth of unplotted celestial bodies or identification of unplotted bodies from known altitude and azimuth.  Allows the plotting of additional celestial bodies on the star base.


    'Crux', The Southern Cross

    The southern cross is the best known constelation in the southern hemisphere.

    However, unlike the navigator in the northern hemisphere, the southerner has no fixed star conveniently placed to mark the South Celestial pole.

    Quite the opposite, there is in fact an inky-black dark patch across that area of sky.

    This dark patch looking like a hole in the firmament is actually a cloud of gas obscuring any stars beyond, which has been appropriately called the ‘Coal Sack’.



    To find out where in this ‘coal sack’ the south celestial pole lies, there are, fortunately several ‘pointers’, the most famous of which is the Southern Cross.

    The Southern Cross, the constellation ‘Crux’, is in one of the brightest portions of the southern Milky Way.

    It is also one of the smallest constellations.

    Fortunately three of its stars Acrux, Mimosa and Gacrux are among the brightest objects in the night sky.

    Counter clockwise next to Crux are another pair of bright stars Alpha and Beta Centauri which are known as the ‘Southern Pointers’.

    An imaginary straight line drawn clockwise across the pointers will point towards the head of the cross.

    It’s important to identify the cross using the pointers as there are several other cross like groups of stars, including the one known as the ‘false cross’.

    Once the cross has been correctly identified, if we draw an imaginary line through its head and carry it on through the bottom, somewhere along this line where it crosses the ‘coal sack’, is the South Celestial Pole.

    If we then draw a perpendicular line from that imaginary line running between 'Pointer Stars' and extend this into the ‘coal sack’, where it crosses the line from the cross is the position of the South Celestial Pole.

    If this perpendicular line from the pointers were extended beyond the celestial pole it would point to Achernar a very bright star an equal distance beyond the pole.

    Another position line can be drawn from the ‘Southern Triangle’.

    A line from the apex of this star group cutting the base at right angles, then extended, will also cross the position of the South Celestial Pole.

    Terrestrial south is of course directly below the south celestial pole.


    Quiz:
    1. Where is terrestrial south located?  
    2. What is the zenith of the terrestrial south pole called?
    3. What is another name for the nadir of the south celestial pole?
    4. What are the names of the two "Southern Pointers" stars?
    5. When we look for the southern pole star, what do we see instead?
    6. Why don't we use that (#5 above) just like we use Polaris in the north?
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    Ans 1: directly below the south celestial pole.
    Ans 2: the south celestial pole.
    Ans 3: that is the terrestrial south pole.
    Ans 4: Alpha Centauri and Beta Centauri.
    Ans 5: The Coal Sack.
    Ans 6: The Coal Sack is not useful because it is a vast void of information.
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    « Reply #449 on: March 18, 2017, 01:27:06 AM »
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  • If indeed there is a "south pole", how can that one point or pole be demonstrated with a compass?  The needle arrow points north only.  The the opposite side of the needle, when turning around the north, draws a circle in the outer regions showing there is only one pole--north.  The southern region is as scripture describes, "encompassed", as in a "circle" of land within the great deep.  The outer regions have not yet been fully circuмnavigated, but the compass and scripture agree that earth is not a globe.