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« Reply #420 on: March 15, 2017, 04:50:56 PM »
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  • Hey mw2016...thanks to you!
    For your level headed persistence by demonstration and experiments showing the truth of the flat earth. Always informative, always glad to hear what you bring here!

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    « Reply #421 on: March 15, 2017, 06:06:40 PM »
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    Hey mw2016...thanks to you!
    For your level headed persistence by demonstration and experiments showing the truth of the flat earth. Always informative, always glad to hear what you bring here!


    Thanks to both of you for putting both of them in their place.  :roll-laugh2:

    Wait, who is it we're talking about again.  :popcorn:


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    « Reply #422 on: March 15, 2017, 06:14:39 PM »
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    Hey mw2016...thanks to you!
    For your level headed persistence by demonstration and experiments showing the truth of the flat earth. Always informative, always glad to hear what you bring here!


    Thanks to both of you for putting both of them in their place.  :roll-laugh2:

    Wait, who is it we're talking about again.  :popcorn:


    Don't go getting modest on us, TiE.  Tx for pulling out all the stops from the scientific  perspective with clarity.  The balance provided from those who are truly thinking about this and taking it apart with honesty prove that truthful answers are available!

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    « Reply #423 on: March 15, 2017, 09:55:51 PM »
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  • It's really self-contradictory for you to claim that photos are not to be believed because they're CGI, etc., and then you are happy to post images like the one shown on the video below. That picture of star trails you see there is nowhere to be seen in the world, for it is a total fabrication from flat-earther obtuseness. Just another fable for fable bearers, eh?

    Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]


    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.

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    « Reply #424 on: March 15, 2017, 10:10:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    It's really self-contradictory for you to claim that photos are not to be believed because they're CGI, etc., and then you are happy to post images like the one shown on the video below. That picture of star trails you see there is nowhere to be seen in the world, for it is a total fabrication from flat-earther obtuseness. Just another fable for fable bearers, eh?

    Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]


    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.



    What are you talking about? Timelapse photography is pretty straightforward.

    How can you possibly equate a timelapse photo of the sky taken with a normal digital camera sitting on a tripod on THE GROUND, with a piece of computer-generated "animated" footage, taken by a NASA "satellite"  that is "allegedly" out in space 22,000 miles away from the earth?

    There is no equal footing in the things you are comparing here.


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    « Reply #425 on: March 15, 2017, 10:41:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    It's really self-contradictory for you to claim that photos are not to be believed because they're CGI, etc., and then you are happy to post images like the one shown on the video below. That picture of star trails you see there is nowhere to be seen in the world, for it is a total fabrication from flat-earther obtuseness. Just another fable for fable bearers, eh?

    Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]


    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.



    Holy moly. There's a fair amount of difference in proving what the Church and scripture have taught using straight-forward untouched amateur photos and video... and another thing entirely, to try to defend or use admittedly (And provably) doctored CGI NASA garbage in order to promote a condemned proposition.

    :shocked:

    People never cease to amaze me.

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    « Reply #426 on: March 15, 2017, 11:50:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
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    At this point I think it is clear that Bumphrey and Neil are either mentally defective, consumed with some kind of diabolical pride, or both.


    Please do not accuse anyone in such a manner. It is not conducive to any sort of discussion, and it also tends to work against the user of such language.


    Oh, please Manuel. You're going to sermonize to the flat earthers on what constitutes good behavior after calling us stupid or crazy on a regular basis? Give me a break.


    I did not sermonize, nor have I participated in these insults.

    I don't care for insults from any side of this discussion. I happened to notice this particular one, for its use of the word "diabolical", a word which here means "of, relating to, or characteristic of the devil".

    No one here should be branded as having a characteristic of the devil. It is a poor choice of words, and poor judgement to argue in such a manner.

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.

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    « Reply #427 on: March 15, 2017, 11:53:28 PM »
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    What are you talking about? Timelapse photography is pretty straightforward.

    Have you ever made timelapse photos yourself?
    For your information, I have. I have made many timelapse photos. I have taken star tracks north and south of the equator. So I know what I'm talking about. That image on the front of that video is entirely false. It is not what you get pointing the camera at the sky, and I know this from personal experience. That is a FAKE IMAGE.

    [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]          
     FAKE IMAGE.          


    Yes, timelapse photography is entirely straightforward. But the image you see there with the northern tracks morphing into the southern tracks is fake. Nowhere can that be obtained by taking a timelapse photo of the sky. They're making it up.

    They are implying that they took a wide-angle shot of both north and south hemisphere skies at the same time. But no one can do that in fact, since the two are not visible at the same time.

    Even if they were, what you would see is concentric cycles from north to south, such as from the equator. When you're at the equator facing west, you can't see the stars to the right (north) moving one way and the stars to the south moving the other way, as this image pretends.

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    How can you possibly equate a timelapse photo of the sky taken with a normal digital camera sitting on a tripod on THE GROUND,

    That is NOT what the image shows. What it shows is a composite, PLUS faked-in transition in the middle. It is not real. It's entirely imaginary. Not only that, what it shows is nonsense, which does not even promote what they're trying to promote -- which is nonsense in its own regard. It's one kind of nonsense in an attempt to promote another kind of nonsense. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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    with a piece of computer-generated "animated" footage, taken by a NASA "satellite"  that is "allegedly" out in space 22,000 miles away from the earth?

    There is no equal footing in the things you are comparing here.

    I beg to differ. What I'm comparing is entirely equal.

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    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.

    Yes. They do.

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    Holy moly. There's a fair amount of difference in proving what the Church and scripture have taught using straight-forward untouched amateur photos and video... and another thing entirely, to try to defend or use admittedly (And provably) doctored CGI NASA garbage in order to promote a condemned proposition.

    :shocked:

    People never cease to amaze me.


    You're talking nonsense. The Church never condemned photography.

    The Church has never defined the shape of the earth. That is not what the Church does. It does not define mathematics, nor chemical reactions, nor physical properties of matter.


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    « Reply #428 on: March 15, 2017, 11:57:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: ManuelChavez

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    These curiously emotional flat-earthers are showing their real character. They're exposing themselves as full of malice and bad will, when challenged with simple truths, they can't bear to take it so they resort to malediction and ad hominem.

    That's what they are, as they show themselves to be. And if you don't want to become like them, then perhaps it's best to not believe what they say, because what they believe is what will take you to also becoming what they are and how they behave.

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    « Reply #429 on: March 16, 2017, 12:00:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    What are you talking about? Timelapse photography is pretty straightforward.

    Have you ever made timelapse photos yourself?
    For your information, I have. I have made many timelapse photos. I have taken star tracks north and south of the equator. So I know what I'm talking about. That image on the front of that video is entirely false. It is not what you get pointing the camera at the sky, and I know this from personal experience. That is a FAKE IMAGE.

    [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]          
     FAKE IMAGE.          


    Yes, timelapse photography is entirely straightforward. But the image you see there with the northern tracks morphing into the southern tracks is fake. Nowhere can that be obtained by taking a timelapse photo of the sky. They're making it up.

    They are implying that they took a wide-angle shot of both north and south hemisphere skies at the same time. But no one can do that in fact, since the two are not visible at the same time.

    Even if they were, what you would see is concentric cycles from north to south, such as from the equator. When you're at the equator facing west, you can't see the stars to the right (north) moving one way and the stars to the south moving the other way, as this image pretends.

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    How can you possibly equate a timelapse photo of the sky taken with a normal digital camera sitting on a tripod on THE GROUND,

    That is NOT what the image shows. What it shows is a composite, PLUS faked-in transition in the middle. It is not real. It's entirely imaginary. Not only that, what it shows is nonsense, which does not even promote what they're trying to promote -- which is nonsense in its own regard. It's one kind of nonsense in an attempt to promote another kind of nonsense. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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    with a piece of computer-generated "animated" footage, taken by a NASA "satellite"  that is "allegedly" out in space 22,000 miles away from the earth?

    There is no equal footing in the things you are comparing here.

    I beg to differ. What I'm comparing is entirely equal.

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    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.

    Yes. They do.

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    Holy moly. There's a fair amount of difference in proving what the Church and scripture have taught using straight-forward untouched amateur photos and video... and another thing entirely, to try to defend or use admittedly (And provably) doctored CGI NASA garbage in order to promote a condemned proposition.

    :shocked:

    People never cease to amaze me.


    You're talking nonsense. The Church never condemned photography.

    The Church has never defined the shape of the earth. That is not what the Church does. It does not define mathematics, nor chemical reactions, nor physical properties of matter.


    Scripture has most certainly defined the shape of the earth and the Church condemned heliocentrism based on scripture. Obviously, you don't read much scripture, because its references and descriptions of earth make round/moving earth totally impossible. You sound like the pro-aborts who say the Church has no business in women's personal lives because of separation of Church and state.  

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    « Reply #430 on: March 16, 2017, 12:15:42 AM »
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  • Maybe you could use this image as a photo of how the "flat" earth was formed:



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    Scripture has most certainly defined the shape of the earth

    No, the Church has not defined the shape of the earth.
    You're hallucinating, again.

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    and the Church condemned heliocentrism based on scripture. Obviously, you don't read much scripture, because its references and descriptions of earth make round/moving earth totally impossible. You sound like the pro-aborts who say the Church has no business in women's personal lives because of separation of Church and state.

    Sad.

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    « Reply #431 on: March 16, 2017, 12:21:38 AM »
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    Maybe you could use this image as a photo of how the "flat" earth was formed:



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    Scripture has most certainly defined the shape of the earth

    No, the Church has not defined the shape of the earth.
    You're hallucinating, again.

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    and the Church condemned heliocentrism based on scripture. Obviously, you don't read much scripture, because its references and descriptions of earth make round/moving earth totally impossible. You sound like the pro-aborts who say the Church has no business in women's personal lives because of separation of Church and state.

    Sad.




    Indeed.

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    « Reply #432 on: March 16, 2017, 04:46:08 AM »
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    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    These curiously emotional flat-earthers are showing their real character. They're exposing themselves as full of malice and bad will, when challenged with simple truths, they can't bear to take it so they resort to malediction and ad hominem.

    That's what they are, as they show themselves to be. And if you don't want to become like them, then perhaps it's best to not believe what they say, because what they believe is what will take you to also becoming what they are and how they behave.



    Speaking only for myself, I am anything but emotional about this.

    Why are you accusing us of malice when you are the one ignoring posts and talking down towards flat earthers?

    you and bump were not insulted at alll. It is simply the truth which is clear to anyone with a good moral judgment. You are either malicious or mentally deficient for the reasons outlined. I can now add pertinacious to that list (if you are malicious), because there seems to be not the slightest bit of contrition on your part. It would be shocking, but for the fact that I see it in the world around us all the time.

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    « Reply #433 on: March 16, 2017, 04:55:28 AM »
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    At this point I think it is clear that Bumphrey and Neil are either mentally defective, consumed with some kind of diabolical pride, or both.


    Please do not accuse anyone in such a manner. It is not conducive to any sort of discussion, and it also tends to work against the user of such language.


    Oh, please Manuel. You're going to sermonize to the flat earthers on what constitutes good behavior after calling us stupid or crazy on a regular basis? Give me a break.


    I did not sermonize, nor have I participated in these insults.

    I don't care for insults from any side of this discussion. I happened to notice this particular one, for its use of the word "diabolical", a word which here means "of, relating to, or characteristic of the devil".

    No one here should be branded as having a characteristic of the devil. It is a poor choice of words, and poor judgement to argue in such a manner.

    What good does it do to insult others? Does it prove your point? Will it convince those reading this thread or visiting this site that your side of the discussion is correct and the other is not?

    I am disinclined to listen to, or believe, those who act in such a manner.


    awwww did I hurt your fweeelings? Would you like a hankie? here you go little girl.

    By the way, why are you so important that we have to convince you, your highness?

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    « Reply #434 on: March 16, 2017, 05:02:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    What are you talking about? Timelapse photography is pretty straightforward.

    Have you ever made timelapse photos yourself?
    For your information, I have. I have made many timelapse photos. I have taken star tracks north and south of the equator. So I know what I'm talking about. That image on the front of that video is entirely false. It is not what you get pointing the camera at the sky, and I know this from personal experience. That is a FAKE IMAGE.

    [YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/embed/ahNfU7zYlmY[/youtube]          
     FAKE IMAGE.          


    Yes, timelapse photography is entirely straightforward. But the image you see there with the northern tracks morphing into the southern tracks is fake. Nowhere can that be obtained by taking a timelapse photo of the sky. They're making it up.

    They are implying that they took a wide-angle shot of both north and south hemisphere skies at the same time. But no one can do that in fact, since the two are not visible at the same time.

    Even if they were, what you would see is concentric cycles from north to south, such as from the equator. When you're at the equator facing west, you can't see the stars to the right (north) moving one way and the stars to the south moving the other way, as this image pretends.

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    How can you possibly equate a timelapse photo of the sky taken with a normal digital camera sitting on a tripod on THE GROUND,

    That is NOT what the image shows. What it shows is a composite, PLUS faked-in transition in the middle. It is not real. It's entirely imaginary. Not only that, what it shows is nonsense, which does not even promote what they're trying to promote -- which is nonsense in its own regard. It's one kind of nonsense in an attempt to promote another kind of nonsense. Two wrongs don't make a right.

    Quote
    with a piece of computer-generated "animated" footage, taken by a NASA "satellite"  that is "allegedly" out in space 22,000 miles away from the earth?

    There is no equal footing in the things you are comparing here.

    I beg to differ. What I'm comparing is entirely equal.

    Quote
    Hypocritically accusing others of falsifying photos while you then proceed to do the same thing that you criticize?  

    Actions speak for themselves, don't they.

    Yes. They do.

    Quote
    Holy moly. There's a fair amount of difference in proving what the Church and scripture have taught using straight-forward untouched amateur photos and video... and another thing entirely, to try to defend or use admittedly (And provably) doctored CGI NASA garbage in order to promote a condemned proposition.

    :shocked:

    People never cease to amaze me.


    You're talking nonsense. The Church never condemned photography.

    The Church has never defined the shape of the earth. That is not what the Church does. It does not define mathematics, nor chemical reactions, nor physical properties of matter.




    Your mental retardation/diabolical obstinacy is showing again. When your posts are actually read (for those who have the patience) and studied you are shown up.

    Clearly these are illustrative. You cannot show all the sky from one point without patching it together, because you only see one part.

    have you taken your time laps photography from near the equator? I doubt it.

    You are taking it most likely from the northern hemisphere.

    stop wasting our time and go away. You're quite annoying.

    P.S. just respond to the question you can't answer about the hundreds of feet of a mountain we can see, and we might have some respect for you.