Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 340679 times)

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #395 on:** March 14, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »

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Conversely, if the earth's surface were flat, there would be no different measurements like these, the Southern Cross would be visible in the northern hemisphere and the north star would be visible in the southern hemisphere.

However, in fact the Southern Cross is not visible in the northern hemisphere, and Polaris is not visible in the southern hemisphere. The reason this is true is that the earth is spherical (approximately).

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Some flat-earther in a previous thread claimed that the north star can be seen up to 20 degrees south of the equator but provided no reference or evidence of this. Perhaps it is visible from the highest peaks of the Andes mountains, but most certainly not from the surface of the ocean or anywhere close to sea level. The curvature of the earth at the equator prevents a view of Polaris south of that latitude.

Again the video explaining star trails. It shows how we don't see the north star from all parts of the earth. Because of perspective.

If we could see polaris from 20 degrees south, that would neither prove nor disprove the flat earth, as per above.

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #396 on:** March 14, 2017, 08:53:38 AM »

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Now that we have a little history of NASA, Pythagorean/Copernicans and their "Luciferian doctrine" it is quite clear that those who adopt the heliocentric theory hold anti-Catholic belief. The Church condemned this trash during the Galileo Affair.

The Church' magisterium did not condemn it. The Church's disciplinary arm acted on a particular case to protect the faith of the faithful. You probably don't understand this because your own faith is screwed up (as shown in the Feeneyite sub-forum). The Church has, and always will, even condemn truth if it is worded improperly which is prone to mislead the common faithful.

The Holy Office protected the faithful because geocentrism was so closely connected with Holy Scripture and commonly so. At a time when Protestant revolt was disfiguring the faith, the Galileo affair was disturbing the faithful in a sudden wave, and the Holy Office successfully protected the faithful. It appears to be true that the Holy Office considered the danger to be intrinsicly doctrinal, which we know now was a mistake, but it WAS NOT a doctrinal mistake of the magisterium, and in the end it showed itself to be an extrinsic danger to the faith. Extrinsic dangers pass with the passing of time and circuмstance.

Like Neil, you gloss over and don't respond to the posts that you don't like. (and which expose you)

Nonsense.

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Your distinctions are most interesting but not really relevant. It is a smoke-screen to distract from whether the earth is flat or not.

I can give one reason which easily shoots down the silly flat earth nonsense.

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Why don't you go back and actually read my post which challenged you.

Or just get lost and stop annoying us.

Why exactly do you say it was a mistake to consider it intrinsically doctrinal?

The office of prohibition is not the magisterium. But obviously considering the heliocentrism as heretical was a mistake. But that consideration was a common, pious, human consideration, not an official teaching of the Church.

1. If it's nonsense then you have to prove the contrary. Anyone who reads your posts knows it is not.

2. What is the reason then?

3. Where do I say that flat earth is part of the defined Magisterium?

BTW, Do you actually read other peoples posts, or just start typing? It's a good idea to do some humble reflection first, before letting your pride take over the keyboard.

Why do you think your opinion is so important anyway? Is society going to change fundamentally if you become a flat earther?

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #397 on:** March 14, 2017, 10:38:48 AM »

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So BUMPH, as tradition reveals, earth is flat.

It's not ecclesiastical tradition. It was pious, human tradition until evidence showed otherwise.

Sorry, three popes, including Alexander VII say otherwise. If you read the thread, you'd know.

Doctrinal tradition? until a pope said otherwise? C'mon, come clear here! What kind of "tradition" do you say has been reversed by the Church?

The popes agreed heliocentrism was false and a danger to the faith.

You didn't answer what type of tradition was overturned. Typical of a rationalistic creep on a Catholic forum.

I said no. Are you deaf? Can you not read? Tradition is maintained, always and everywhere.

Okay, so you say there is NO problem with the Galileo and afterward affair. Now you say it...but other times you make it look like there was some substantial change with the affiar. That is slimy and creepy rationalist and modernist agenda.

Your erroneous assessment comes as a result of you not reading. The Church has spoken. Earth is flat and geocentric.

We are talking about a "belief", and beliefs in the Church are called "doctrines". When they are "the Church's beliefs", it would be when it is taught by "the magisterium". The prohibitions around the Galileo affair were NOT magisterial, and therefore NOT Church beliefs proper.

The fact that the Church has allowed helocentrism to be taught in Catholic schools for generations is proof positive that it is not detrimental to the faith, nor against previous magisterium. It is impossible for the divine and holy Church to allow detriment to the faith in schools under Her charge.

BumphreyHogart · « **Reply #398 on:** March 14, 2017, 10:47:20 AM »

You know, when a suspect of a crime has an alibi, proving he was living in Australia when a murder occurred in Florida, nobody need look at any other alleged evidence against him. It is what is called the "argumentum ad absurdam" or "reductio ad absurdum", meaning it has already been proved absurd and nothing else can change that.

The flat earth claim is absurd. I don't need to see any so-called evidence of that....because I know that when the sun rises upon a plane, the whole plain would see the sun at the same time. But on this earth, the sun is seen to rise in one location and due west 100 miles the sun is still below the horizon.

I think non-Catholics, and disgruntled, fallen-away Catholics, just come here to bring laughter upon Catholicism by posting such nonsense. Either that or they have Internet access from a mental institution.

happenby · « **Reply #399 on:** March 14, 2017, 12:10:46 PM »

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You know, when a suspect of a crime has an alibi, proving he was living in Australia when a murder occurred in Florida, nobody need look at any other alleged evidence against him. It is what is called the "argumentum ad absurdam" or "reductio ad absurdum", meaning it has already been proved absurd and nothing else can change that.

The flat earth claim is absurd. I don't need to see any so-called evidence of that....because I know that when the sun rises upon a plane, the whole plain would see the sun at the same time. But on this earth, the sun is seen to rise in one location and due west 100 miles the sun is still below the horizon.

I think non-Catholics, and disgruntled, fallen-away Catholics, just come here to bring laughter upon Catholicism by posting such nonsense. Either that or they have Internet access from a mental institution.

Here, an obvious fallacy. Visibility of the sun from all points on a plane is dependent on several things. Firstly, the size of the plane in relation to the size of the sun, the relationship of the position of the sun over the plane as well as the distance from the plane to the sun. If indeed, the sun is small and relatively close to earth as it measurably is, then, the farther from the sun that a place on earth is, not only the darker it will be but the sun's proximity to earth prevents outer areas from seeing it because all visible things converge at the observer's horizon. The convergence of sun and earth is known as sunrise and sunset. When the sun goes beyond these points, being too low to be resolved by the eye from that level, it thus disappears. This is proven true as one chases the sun in airplane. As the sun sets for the people in Phoenix, for instance, it doesn't set for the airplane that chases the sun on to LAX where the airplane lands and is then forced to watch the sun set over the ocean. Of course, had the plane chased the sun further, like to Hawaii, the sun would never set.

Now, it is agreed that the sun drives a little faster than the airplane--3-500 mph faster. However this "chasing" the sunset has been observed during the time the sun is visible to the plane and until it outpaces it.