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50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #255 on: March 08, 2017, 03:58:19 PM »
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Congratulations, happenby, for giving an intelligent reply.

Quote from: happenby
Perhaps Neil is talking about an astrolabe. Used from about the year 250 until the 16th century.

Astrolabe
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"An astrolabe (Greek: ?????????? astrolabos, "star-taker")[1] is an elaborate inclinometer, historically used by astronomers and navigators, to measure the inclined position in the sky of a celestial body, day or night. It can thus be used to identify stars or planets, to determine local latitude given local time and vice versa, to survey, or to triangulate. It was used in classical antiquity, the Islamic Golden Age,[2] the European Middle Ages and the Renaissance for all these purposes.
While the astrolabe is effective for determining latitude on land or calm seas, it is less reliable on the heaving deck of a ship in rough seas. The mariner's astrolabe was developed to solve that problem."

Astrolabes were highly accurate and were eventually joined with precision time pieces.

Information on the mariners astrolabe for rough seas is found here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner%27s_astrolabe

Wiki continues

"At first mechanical astronomical clocks were influenced by the astrolabe; in many ways they could be seen as clockwork astrolabes designed to produce a continual display of the current position of the sun, stars, and planets. For example, Richard of Wallingford's clock (c. 1330) consisted essentially of a star map rotating behind a fixed rete, similar to that of an astrolabe.[27]
Many astronomical clocks, such as the famous clock at Prague, use an astrolabe-style display, adopting a stereographic projection (see below) of the ecliptic plane."

The astrolabe was used to do the job of determining latitude but they were very challenging to use at sea, as you have indicated, making them accordingly inaccurate. This principle was further developed by an invention that occurred in the 18th century that enables its use even in adverse conditions with greater accuracy, and was improved over many decades, even centuries, to the point where now very effective and precise versions are made even today, to serve as backup tools when GPS systems fail to deliver. I am going to post one video that demonstrates in great detail how to use a particular version made in Germany, for example.

I'll give you another chance to guess the name of the device to which I refer, before I post some very instructive videos that cover how they are used by modern navigators at sea.

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Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer.


Okay, I'll ask you directly, if that's important to you:

What is the name of the instrument that mariners have been using for the past 6 centuries

Actually it has been more like the past 4 centuries, but the principle it's based on has been used much longer than that.

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to determine their angular distance in the northern hemisphere from the equator?


No it is not important to me whether you ask me or not. The point, which you still don't get, is you need to change your attitude. You're clearly a very unhappy person.

The purpose of forums is not to compete to see who can make the nastiest remark to other people. It is to arrive at the truth.

I know what instrument you are talking about, but why do you want to know? Is it pivotal to accepting the flat earth for you?

Your incessant penchant to comment on your opinion of the happiness of your opponent is telling.

If you know what the instrument is, perhaps you can explain how it works.
What I would like to know is how you can explain its function, in your dream world.

That is, explain how it works when presuming there is no curved surface on the earth.
For example, how do you measure the angular distance from the equator if there is no such angle like on a "flat earth"?

The ball's in your court.


The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.


FAIL.

True to form, you have again ignored my question and have attempted to change the subject.

Your answer about the horizon being flat, amateur balloon, rocket, NASA, CGI, etc., does not answer the question: What device has been used for the past few centuries to determine latitude from the rolling deck of a ship at sea (which is what a sailor has to deal with) and how does it work in your flat-earth model?

In any event, thank you for not continuing to whine about how you think I must feel, because that makes you appear feminine, even while you complain that I reply to women not to men. If you want me to reply to you then you should try acting like a real man.

E.g., try acting like a man by answering the question like a man, instead of trying to change the subject.



There were several instruments with different advantages, including the octant and quadrant, but the most effective and least limited is the sextant.

50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #256 on: March 08, 2017, 05:27:39 PM »
Quote from: happenby

There were several instruments with different advantages, including the octant and quadrant, but the most effective and least limited is the sextant.


DING DING DING!

See, and I even already knew that's what he meant. And he thinks us girls are dumb...

 :facepalm:


50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #257 on: March 08, 2017, 06:07:09 PM »
It remains that no curvature of the earth has ever been demonstrated. Further, things like lighthouses, gyros, sundials, bubble levels, compasses, astrolabes and sextants were developed by people with the horizontal plane in mind. For good reason. Earth is a plane. While extrapolation and clever doublespeak goes a long way to show how these might operate on a sphere using low down lies and high brow 'math', in fact,  by their very nature, these devices were designed for measurments that are TRUE.

50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #258 on: March 08, 2017, 09:44:55 PM »
Sextant. Correct.

It measures the vertical angle from the horizon (due north, for example) and a celestial body (the north star, Polaris, for example). This angle, combined with the date (day of year for Polaris which does not move, or, the date and the time of day when referencing other bodies such as the sun or moon, which move) gives the sailor what he needs to find his latitude at sea when no land is visible.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/B_uEWNPnpiY[/youtube]

The problem still presents itself to you, for you have not responded to this:
How does the sextant indicate the degrees of latitude north of the equator when you have presumed that the earth is flat?

-- When the sailor is at say the 42nd parallel, he obtains one reading on the sextant, but when he is at the 32nd parallel, he obtains a different reading on the sextant. If he returns to the 42nd parallel, his reading is the same as the first, above, and different from the second, above. Explain why that is the case if the earth is "flat."


50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #259 on: March 08, 2017, 10:17:41 PM »
Stop being needlessly pedantic and condescending, and make an argument. I agree with you and I still find you almost as infuriating as the deluded people in this thread.