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« Reply #240 on: March 05, 2017, 06:06:21 PM »
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    Matthew you should really shut this thread down.




    Aw, whatsa matter? You skeered??

    Fear the plane!


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    « Reply #241 on: March 05, 2017, 06:07:35 PM »
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    « Reply #242 on: March 05, 2017, 06:58:43 PM »
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    You know Neil, instead of asking us questions, why don't you answer some, like the ones you failed to answer many times on this forum about missing curvature drop. Which you have still not answered.

    Blah, blah, blah...



    So when you can't answer my questions, you tell me I shouldn't ask them, and that only you can ask questions, which I should answer. There is a simple reason I asked what I did.

    I asked you questions with a difference:

    I asked simple questions that actually make sense.

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    « Reply #243 on: March 05, 2017, 10:08:46 PM »
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    You know Neil, instead of asking us questions, why don't you answer some, like the ones you failed to answer many times on this forum about missing curvature drop. Which you have still not answered.

    Blah, blah, blah...



    So when you can't answer my questions, you tell me I shouldn't ask them, and that only you can ask questions, which I should answer. There is a simple reason I asked what I did.

    I asked you questions with a difference:

    I asked simple questions that actually make sense.



    Every one of us had answered multiple questions of yours. You don't answer except to post someone else's writings that have no equivalent to church fathers, nor are you responding to scripture. As for lack of curvature, you just say it must be out there somewhere. All the founding fathers of NASA and JPL, your authority apparently, are Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ's luciferian high priests--admitted by them. Not only is your argument dead, it is rooted in the demonic.

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    « Reply #244 on: March 05, 2017, 10:12:57 PM »
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  • Surface of water never curves, small drops excepted. Water must be contained and it's surface always settles flat. It is impossible for water to wrap around the outside of a ball.


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    « Reply #245 on: March 06, 2017, 06:42:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cera
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    All these "flatearthers" are probably still waiting for some guy in Kenya to send them a million dollars.

    Matthew you should really shut this thread down.



    Why does this issue scare you?


    It does scare him yes.

    What I find amusing though, is that there are so many people in the resistance who seriously think that by talking down in a snotty manner to flat earthers, and calling it idiocy, they will actually make it go away.

    They really believe this. And believe in themselves!

    It is a profound pride. Quite sad at the end of the day, when you think about it. Then you have malicious people like Neil Obstat here, who posts just to mock, and naive users like cassini, who just want to live in their geocentric fantasy, trying to please the world and reconcile tradition and scripture at the same time.


    Its all there for people to study if they want to:
    http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t4-flat-earth-faqs-list

    You just have to be open to the truth.

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    « Reply #246 on: March 06, 2017, 07:02:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    You know Neil, instead of asking us questions, why don't you answer some, like the ones you failed to answer many times on this forum about missing curvature drop. Which you have still not answered.

    Blah, blah, blah...



    So when you can't answer my questions, you tell me I shouldn't ask them, and that only you can ask questions, which I should answer. There is a simple reason I asked what I did.

    I asked you questions with a difference:

    I asked simple questions that actually make sense.



    No Neil. You're asking questions, but are not interested in the answers. The proof?
    Would ANY answer you get convince you that the earth is flat? I rest my case.

    Another thing, you are (deliberately I think) not taking into account is that you asking the questions of women. When you ask a woman a question, you cannot always expect to get a rational direct answer. You know this. And are more than happy when the answer isn't perfectly a direct response. Because for you this makes flat earthers look stupid.

    This is why you never ask the male users questions. Because you know you will get a direct answer. And this is why you ignored the questions YOU received, asking you to explain where hundreds of feet of a mountain we can see, came from.

    Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer. Sending a private message would assure me it is a sincere question. You could also ask a question on the resistance flat earth forum. But you don't want to do that because you would be restrained to being respectful.

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    « Reply #247 on: March 06, 2017, 09:40:23 PM »
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    Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer.


    Okay, I'll ask you directly, if that's important to you:

    What is the name of the instrument that mariners have been using for the past 6 centuries to determine their angular distance in the northern hemisphere from the equator?

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    « Reply #248 on: March 07, 2017, 06:40:38 AM »
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    Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer.


    Okay, I'll ask you directly, if that's important to you:

    What is the name of the instrument that mariners have been using for the past 6 centuries to determine their angular distance in the northern hemisphere from the equator?



    No it is not important to me whether you ask me or not. The point, which you still don't get, is you need to change your attitude. You're clearly a very unhappy person.

    The purpose of forums is not to compete to see who can make the nastiest remark to other people. It is to arrive at the truth.

    I know what instrument you are talking about, but why do you want to know? Is it pivotal to accepting the flat earth for you?

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    « Reply #249 on: March 07, 2017, 09:23:53 PM »
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    Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer.


    Okay, I'll ask you directly, if that's important to you:

    What is the name of the instrument that mariners have been using for the past 6 centuries

    Actually it has been more like the past 4 centuries, but the principle it's based on has been used much longer than that.

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    to determine their angular distance in the northern hemisphere from the equator?


    No it is not important to me whether you ask me or not. The point, which you still don't get, is you need to change your attitude. You're clearly a very unhappy person.

    The purpose of forums is not to compete to see who can make the nastiest remark to other people. It is to arrive at the truth.

    I know what instrument you are talking about, but why do you want to know? Is it pivotal to accepting the flat earth for you?

    Your incessant penchant to comment on your opinion of the happiness of your opponent is telling.

    If you know what the instrument is, perhaps you can explain how it works.
    What I would like to know is how you can explain its function, in your dream world.

    That is, explain how it works when presuming there is no curved surface on the earth.
    For example, how do you measure the angular distance from the equator if there is no such angle like on a "flat earth"?

    The ball's in your court.

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    « Reply #250 on: March 07, 2017, 10:57:36 PM »
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    Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer.


    Okay, I'll ask you directly, if that's important to you:

    What is the name of the instrument that mariners have been using for the past 6 centuries

    Actually it has been more like the past 4 centuries, but the principle it's based on has been used much longer than that.

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    to determine their angular distance in the northern hemisphere from the equator?


    No it is not important to me whether you ask me or not. The point, which you still don't get, is you need to change your attitude. You're clearly a very unhappy person.

    The purpose of forums is not to compete to see who can make the nastiest remark to other people. It is to arrive at the truth.

    I know what instrument you are talking about, but why do you want to know? Is it pivotal to accepting the flat earth for you?

    Your incessant penchant to comment on your opinion of the happiness of your opponent is telling.

    If you know what the instrument is, perhaps you can explain how it works.
    What I would like to know is how you can explain its function, in your dream world.

    That is, explain how it works when presuming there is no curved surface on the earth.
    For example, how do you measure the angular distance from the equator if there is no such angle like on a "flat earth"?

    The ball's in your court.



    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.


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    « Reply #251 on: March 07, 2017, 11:44:32 PM »
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  • Perhaps Neil is talking about an astrolabe. Used from about the year 250 until the 16th century.

    Astrolabe
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    "An astrolabe (Greek: ?????????? astrolabos, "star-taker")[1] is an elaborate inclinometer, historically used by astronomers and navigators, to measure the inclined position in the sky of a celestial body, day or night. It can thus be used to identify stars or planets, to determine local latitude given local time and vice versa, to survey, or to triangulate. It was used in classical antiquity, the Islamic Golden Age,[2] the European Middle Ages and the Renaissance for all these purposes.
    While the astrolabe is effective for determining latitude on land or calm seas, it is less reliable on the heaving deck of a ship in rough seas. The mariner's astrolabe was developed to solve that problem."

    Astrolabes were highly accurate and were eventually joined with precision time pieces.

    Information on the mariners astrolabe for rough seas is found here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner%27s_astrolabe

    Wiki continues

    "At first mechanical astronomical clocks were influenced by the astrolabe; in many ways they could be seen as clockwork astrolabes designed to produce a continual display of the current position of the sun, stars, and planets. For example, Richard of Wallingford's clock (c. 1330) consisted essentially of a star map rotating behind a fixed rete, similar to that of an astrolabe.[27]
    Many astronomical clocks, such as the famous clock at Prague, use an astrolabe-style display, adopting a stereographic projection (see below) of the ecliptic plane."

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    « Reply #252 on: March 08, 2017, 12:40:19 AM »
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  • Congratulations, happenby, for giving an intelligent reply.

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    Perhaps Neil is talking about an astrolabe. Used from about the year 250 until the 16th century.

    Astrolabe
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "An astrolabe (Greek: ?????????? astrolabos, "star-taker")[1] is an elaborate inclinometer, historically used by astronomers and navigators, to measure the inclined position in the sky of a celestial body, day or night. It can thus be used to identify stars or planets, to determine local latitude given local time and vice versa, to survey, or to triangulate. It was used in classical antiquity, the Islamic Golden Age,[2] the European Middle Ages and the Renaissance for all these purposes.
    While the astrolabe is effective for determining latitude on land or calm seas, it is less reliable on the heaving deck of a ship in rough seas. The mariner's astrolabe was developed to solve that problem."

    Astrolabes were highly accurate and were eventually joined with precision time pieces.

    Information on the mariners astrolabe for rough seas is found here.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner%27s_astrolabe

    Wiki continues

    "At first mechanical astronomical clocks were influenced by the astrolabe; in many ways they could be seen as clockwork astrolabes designed to produce a continual display of the current position of the sun, stars, and planets. For example, Richard of Wallingford's clock (c. 1330) consisted essentially of a star map rotating behind a fixed rete, similar to that of an astrolabe.[27]
    Many astronomical clocks, such as the famous clock at Prague, use an astrolabe-style display, adopting a stereographic projection (see below) of the ecliptic plane."

    The astrolabe was used to do the job of determining latitude but they were very challenging to use at sea, as you have indicated, making them accordingly inaccurate. This principle was further developed by an invention that occurred in the 18th century that enables its use even in adverse conditions with greater accuracy, and was improved over many decades, even centuries, to the point where now very effective and precise versions are made even today, to serve as backup tools when GPS systems fail to deliver. I am going to post one video that demonstrates in great detail how to use a particular version made in Germany, for example.

    I'll give you another chance to guess the name of the device to which I refer, before I post some very instructive videos that cover how they are used by modern navigators at sea.

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    Now if you would like to ask me a question, with respect, I am more than happy to try to answer.


    Okay, I'll ask you directly, if that's important to you:

    What is the name of the instrument that mariners have been using for the past 6 centuries

    Actually it has been more like the past 4 centuries, but the principle it's based on has been used much longer than that.

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    to determine their angular distance in the northern hemisphere from the equator?


    No it is not important to me whether you ask me or not. The point, which you still don't get, is you need to change your attitude. You're clearly a very unhappy person.

    The purpose of forums is not to compete to see who can make the nastiest remark to other people. It is to arrive at the truth.

    I know what instrument you are talking about, but why do you want to know? Is it pivotal to accepting the flat earth for you?

    Your incessant penchant to comment on your opinion of the happiness of your opponent is telling.

    If you know what the instrument is, perhaps you can explain how it works.
    What I would like to know is how you can explain its function, in your dream world.

    That is, explain how it works when presuming there is no curved surface on the earth.
    For example, how do you measure the angular distance from the equator if there is no such angle like on a "flat earth"?

    The ball's in your court.


    The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.


    FAIL.

    True to form, you have again ignored my question and have attempted to change the subject.

    Your answer about the horizon being flat, amateur balloon, rocket, NASA, CGI, etc., does not answer the question: What device has been used for the past few centuries to determine latitude from the rolling deck of a ship at sea (which is what a sailor has to deal with) and how does it work in your flat-earth model?

    In any event, thank you for not continuing to whine about how you think I must feel, because that makes you appear feminine, even while you complain that I reply to women not to men. If you want me to reply to you then you should try acting like a real man.

    E.g., try acting like a man by answering the question like a man, instead of trying to change the subject.

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    « Reply #253 on: March 08, 2017, 01:17:01 AM »
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  • Go to minute 25:49 to see a Catholic priest saying "Dominus vobiscuм"
    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/YIb6bCpFiF0[/youtube]

    I couldn't find any date for reference so the fact the TLM is shown, it must have been before 1968. Also, smoking cigarettes at table while others are eating?

    This video shows the installation of a nuclear reactor under ice at Camp Century, Greenland.

    Woops. Wrong thread. Oh, well.

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    « Reply #254 on: March 08, 2017, 03:26:00 PM »
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  • I assume Neil is blabbering on about a sextant, but I have no idea what his point is. A sextant certainly does not show any curvature of the earth.