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Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  

Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?
He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.
He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.
There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?

I am so quick to respond every time Neil Obstat posts in a flat earth thread because I am not allowing him to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers; that is our job. :wink: I also notice he sometimes tries to post in a flat earth thread when he thinks we are most likely to not be looking.

Are you "so quick to respond" this time?

How about a substantive answer for a change?  See above.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/qcgxBTrmIhU[/youtube]

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Here's a novel idea:  

I'll post this excellent video from the Russian Electro-L satellite camera.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6twFHqJ03_k[/youtube]

Good grief, that is an embarrassingly FAKE video.

What's fake about it? You have complained before about NASA images because the clouds are obviously copied over and over. Here, the clouds show different patterns every day for several days and you can easily see where they came from by looking at the previous day's clouds.

I mentioned the reflection of the sun on the water but you're ignoring that, so far. Maybe you needed a week or two to think of some reply. Don't worry there's plenty of time.

So, what about it?  What precisely do you think is fake in this video? Please be specific.

Everything is fake about the CGI video you posted. CGI stands for
"COMPUTER GENERATED IMAGE."

Of course it is, computerised to go at speed. We see the same thing many times when the turn of the stars are speeded up.

Origen called the firmament “without doubt firm and solid” (First Homily on Genesis, FC 71). Ambrose, commenting on Genesis 1:6, said, “the specific solidity of this exterior firmament is meant” (Hexameron, FC 42.60). And Saint Augustine said the word firmament was used “to indicate not that it is motionless but that it is solid and that it constitutes an impassible boundary between the waters above and the waters below” (The Literal Meaning of Genesis, ACW 41.1.61).

Gen 6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.

Gen 14 And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: 15 To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. And it was so done. 16And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day; and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars. 17And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth.

Isaiah 40 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
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Tradition teaches there is a firmament. Solid dome, like a tent. Water is above the dome and below the dome. Earth below the dome. Sun/moon/stars inside the dome. --Scripture, Origen, Ambrose, Augustine    

The firmament structure discussed by the Fathers of the Church and in scripture must be awfully ginormous to house the moon 250,000 miles away, the sun 93,000,000 miles away and stars even further.  Of course, this dome can't be stretched out like a tent as scripture says, but would have to be a hard ball shaped structure surrounding the earth ball. With a bunch of water beyond that?  Oh boy.  What imaginations the globalists have.  

         

 

     

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  

Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?
He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.
He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.
There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?

I am so quick to respond every time Neil Obstat posts in a flat earth thread because I am not allowing him to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers; that is our job. :wink: I also notice he sometimes tries to post in a flat earth thread when he thinks we are most likely to not be looking.

Are you "so quick to respond" this time?

How about a substantive answer for a change?  See above.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/qcgxBTrmIhU[/youtube]

Loved the video. I'm looking at other Dubay videos. You are making me think about this issue. I almost said "re-think" but that would not be accurate because this alternative theory, and its relationship to Zionist control of scientism -- (as opposed to actual science), is not something I have actually ever considered. Until now, the two alternative theories are not something I have actually thought about.

Along with everyone else, I have just bought into the pervasive view that globe theory is correct, the theory of gravity or correct, the earth spinning at 1000 mph is correct, our course around the sun at 5000 or so mph is correct, and our galaxy is also said to be spinning around.

Since I once was tricked into believing the lie about the scientistic (not scientific) theory about evolution (the phony chart showing ape, ape-men and man made me believe a lie) -- I know that it is easy for us to be tricked by the deception of a powerful enemy which controls the media, (what passes for) education, and the government.

I am realizing that just to go this far, to fairly compare two opposing theories is quite politically incorrect. To even give both theories a fair hearing is to risk public shaming. The public shaming of "flat-earthers" is much worse that the public shaming of those who research original sources of information rather that sucking up to abc/nbc/cbs/cspan/cnn and who are therefore called "conspiracy theorists." Both are labels with heavy negative baggage, designed to steer people away from even thinking about certain issues.

Up until about a year ago, I always assumed the earth is a globe, until someone on "Cathinfo" easily convinced me the earth is not a globe. I will never fall for this, "ball earth" lie again.  :smile:

Loved the video. I'm looking at other Dubay videos. You are making me think about this issue. I almost said "re-think" but that would not be accurate because this alternative theory, and its relationship to Zionist control of scientism -- (as opposed to actual science), is not something I have actually ever considered. Until now, the two alternative theories are not something I have actually thought about.

Along with everyone else, I have just bought into the pervasive view that globe theory is correct, the theory of gravity or correct, the earth spinning at 1000 mph is correct, our course around the sun at 5000 or so mph is correct, and our galaxy is also said to be spinning around.

Since I once was tricked into believing the lie about the scientistic (not scientific) theory about evolution (the phony chart showing ape, ape-men and man made me believe a lie) -- I know that it is easy for us to be tricked by the deception of a powerful enemy which controls the media, (what passes for) education, and the government.

I am realizing that just to go this far, to fairly compare two opposing theories is quite politically incorrect. To even give both theories a fair hearing is to risk public shaming. The public shaming of "flat-earthers" is much worse that the public shaming of those who research original sources of information rather that sucking up to abc/nbc/cbs/cspan/cnn and who are therefore called "conspiracy theorists." Both are labels with heavy negative baggage, designed to steer people away from even thinking about certain issues.

Hooray, Cera, good for you!

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Up until about a year ago, I always assumed the earth is a globe, until someone on "Cathinfo" easily convinced me the earth is not a globe. I will never fall for this, "ball earth" lie again.  :smile:

What argument was it that convinced you?

The argument that quickly convinced me the earth is flat is this quote,

"The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government “space agencies” show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos."

Even up in the mountains in Colorado the horizon line always appeared flat. The horizon line in Florida, as I was looking at the ocean, also, always appeared flat.

I began to question how it would be possible for a Jet to land if the earth was rotating 1,040 miles/hour, and I could find any logical explanation anywhere.

All these "flatearthers" are probably still waiting for some guy in Kenya to send them a million dollars.

Matthew you should really shut this thread down.

The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude; do you know why this is?  :jumping2:  

All these "flatearthers" are probably still waiting for some guy in Kenya to send them a million dollars.

Matthew you should really shut this thread down.

Had you read my quotes of scripture, saints and fathers of the church above you would see that  heliocentrism, modern astronomy, is against the teaching of the church. We live in an enclosed system that denies the moving globe.