Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 251934 times)

happenby · « **Reply #165 on:** January 12, 2017, 12:33:32 PM »

If, in the first picture this is sunrise and sunset on a ball...
Why do we see whats in the next picture?

happenby · « **Reply #166 on:** January 12, 2017, 12:50:19 PM »

Lets clear up something once and for all, shall we?

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 22: 18 He will crown thee with a crown of tribulation, he will toss thee like a ball into a large and spacious country: there shalt thou die, and there shall the chariot of thy glory be, the shame of the house of thy Lord.

Now, since there is definitely a word for 'ball', and another for 'circle', then Isaiah 40:22 cannot possibly be saying earth is a ball.

:heretic:

mw2016 · « **Reply #167 on:** January 12, 2017, 01:56:05 PM »

Quote from: happenby

Lets clear up something once and for all, shall we?

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 22: 18 He will crown thee with a crown of tribulation, he will toss thee like a ball into a large and spacious country: there shalt thou die, and there shall the chariot of thy glory be, the shame of the house of thy Lord.

Now, since there is definitely a word for 'ball', and another for 'circle', then Isaiah 40:22 cannot possibly be saying earth is a ball.

:heretic:

Thanks for making the distinction.

The Latin word for ball is "pilam."

Isaiah 40:22 does NOT say He sitteth above the 'pilam.'

Here's Isaiah 22:18:

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He will crown thee with a crown of tribulation, he will toss thee like a ball into a large and spacious country: there shalt thou die, and there shall the chariot of thy glory be, the shame of the house of thy Lord.

Coronas cornonabit te tribulatione; quasi pilam mittet te in terram latam et spatiosam; ibi morieris, et ibi erit currus gloriae tuae, ignominia domus domini tui.

happenby · « **Reply #168 on:** January 12, 2017, 02:09:10 PM »

Quote from: mw2016

Quote from: happenby
Lets clear up something once and for all, shall we?

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Isaiah 22: 18 He will crown thee with a crown of tribulation, he will toss thee like a ball into a large and spacious country: there shalt thou die, and there shall the chariot of thy glory be, the shame of the house of thy Lord.

Now, since there is definitely a word for 'ball', and another for 'circle', then Isaiah 40:22 cannot possibly be saying earth is a ball.

:heretic:

Thanks for making the distinction.

The Latin word for ball is "pilam."

Isaiah 40:22 does NOT say He sitteth above the 'pilam.'

Here's Isaiah 22:18:

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He will crown thee with a crown of tribulation, he will toss thee like a ball into a large and spacious country: there shalt thou die, and there shall the chariot of thy glory be, the shame of the house of thy Lord.

Coronas cornonabit te tribulatione; quasi pilam mittet te in terram latam et spatiosam; ibi morieris, et ibi erit currus gloriae tuae, ignominia domus domini tui.

Mic drop

Croixalist · « **Reply #169 on:** January 12, 2017, 04:56:26 PM »

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Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.

Ahr yoo shore abowt thad?

Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.

You haven't seen me posit that. I believe as Enoch and Cosmas described the sun's movement.

Well then I suppose you could respond to what applies to you. If the shoe fits, wear it.

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The earth does not rise and set; the flat earth is literally stationary.

That's good because I'm talking about the Sun.

Still waiting for mw2016 amazing sunspot demonstration, her pics of the four corners of the Earth, and any one of you to be honest that your absolute literal approach to Holy Scripture as a dead end.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #170 on:** January 12, 2017, 10:27:22 PM »

Such foolishness...

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It is worth noting that besides the fact that there are ZERO references into the Bible of the earth as being a globe, or a ball, that the earth is referred to as a "footstool" of the Lord.

Think about that. This is because God the Father is seated on His throne. The earth is His footstool. A footstool is a FLAT surface with four pillars. What a coincidence that Genesis describes the earth as such!

Can you place your feet on a ball-shaped footstool?

No, you cannot.

I cannot??

How about that?!

Any more absurdities to offer...

Next?

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #171 on:** January 12, 2017, 10:43:43 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Such foolishness...

Quote from: mw2016

It is worth noting that besides the fact that there are ZERO references into the Bible of the earth as being a globe, or a ball, that the earth is referred to as a "footstool" of the Lord.

Think about that. This is because God the Father is seated on His throne. The earth is His footstool. A footstool is a FLAT surface with four pillars. What a coincidence that Genesis describes the earth as such!

Can you place your feet on a ball-shaped footstool?

No, you cannot.

I cannot??

How about that?!

Any more absurdities to offer...

Next?

That is a ball. A footstool in the Holy Bible is never referred to as a ball.

mw2016 · « **Reply #172 on:** January 12, 2017, 11:44:23 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Such foolishness...

Quote from: mw2016

It is worth noting that besides the fact that there are ZERO references into the Bible of the earth as being a globe, or a ball, that the earth is referred to as a "footstool" of the Lord.

Think about that. This is because God the Father is seated on His throne. The earth is His footstool. A footstool is a FLAT surface with four pillars. What a coincidence that Genesis describes the earth as such!

Can you place your feet on a ball-shaped footstool?

No, you cannot.

I cannot??

How about that?!

Any more absurdities to offer...

Next?

All those people in Canada are getting squashed!

Croixalist · « **Reply #173 on:** January 13, 2017, 07:21:29 AM »

Let it be known: Yesterday came and went without any Miracle of the Sunspots by our Lippy of Flatima 2017.

Meg · « **Reply #174 on:** January 13, 2017, 08:17:04 AM »

Regarding Our Lady of Fatima, and the Miracle of the Sun, I have to wonder if maybe a flat earth model fits better with the circuмstances of the Miracle of the Sun.

According to those many faithful who were at the Cova, they observed that the sun appeared to be hurling at them, and they were afraid that it was going to fall to earth. In a flat earth model (if I'm recalling correctly) the sun is closer to the earth in proximity.

However, if the sun is as far away as a ball-earth theory supposes, then I think that it would be difficult to have the same effect of the appearance of coming so close to earth, and the temperature rising, and everything in the vicinity drying out suddenly after it rained. I could be wrong.

Croixalist · « **Reply #175 on:** January 13, 2017, 09:18:14 AM »

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Regarding Our Lady of Fatima, and the Miracle of the Sun, I have to wonder if maybe a flat earth model fits better with the circuмstances of the Miracle of the Sun.

According to those many faithful who were at the Cova, they observed that the sun appeared to be hurling at them, and they were afraid that it was going to fall to earth. In a flat earth model (if I'm recalling correctly) the sun is closer to the earth in proximity.

However, if the sun is as far away as a ball-earth theory supposes, then I think that it would be difficult to have the same effect of the appearance of coming so close to earth, and the temperature rising, and everything in the vicinity drying out suddenly after it rained. I could be wrong.

Here's the thing about miracles: they don't obey the laws of nature. Hence, the word "miracle". Also a great reason why you cannot deduce natural laws from them.

One thing to ponder about the Miracle of the Sun was that for the rest of the world, the Sun was perfectly normal. Does it mean there were two Suns? Was one real and the other an illusion? At a certain point, the power of God is irreducible and unexplainable, it just is. It wouldn't be quite so wonderful if we could explain how it came to be.

mw2016 · « **Reply #176 on:** January 13, 2017, 09:38:06 AM »

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Let it be known: Yesterday came and went without any Miracle of the Sunspots by our Lippy of Flatima 2017.

Calm down, Frenchie, I'm a busy girl.

It is very time consuming trying to teach you ba'al earthers who cannot see God's design.

So, the sun and the moon do NOT rotate on their axis, the y-axis.

The priests of scientism claim that the moon does not rotate because it is "tidally locked" to earth.

The priests of scientism do claim that the sun rotates upon its axis, but absurdly, they claim it rotates at a different speed at its poles than in the middle.

It does not do this.

What the sun and moon, and the other planets, actually do is rotate about their center in a clockwise direction, as the motion of a spoked wheel on a carriage, as it traverses the sky every day/night from east to west, from rise to set.

Happenby and I did an experiment in December and verified this. You all can even observe it for yourself.

The moon has distinguishable features on its face that allow you to observe this "cartwheel" effect. The moon also has a shadow during its crescent of half-moon phases that allow you to observe the cartwheel effect. The moon's features rotate clockwise about 100 degrees each night from rise to set, and the moon's shadow rotates nearly 180 degrees from rise to set.

The sun has distinguishable features (sunspots) which show that it does not rotate upon its axis, but that it also "cartwheels" across the sky. See the attached video, which shows two sets of sunpots rotate from the 1 o'clock position on its face to the 4 o'clock position, and from the 7 o'clock to the 10 o'clock position, at the 2:15 mark.

Even the ancients knew this phenomenon to be true, as it is written about in the Book of Enoch, and the Bronze Age (2700 B.C.) Trundholm Horse that was found in Denmark illustrate the cartwheel effect. The Trundholm Horse is actually a very sophisticated astronomical calendar.

The planets with distinguishing features, such as Jupiter and Saturn, also show the "cartwheel effect." See attached photo.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/tpU6lStM_pk[/youtube]

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/07/30/trundholm-sun-chariot-nordic-bronze-age-artifact-discovered-denmark/

mw2016 · « **Reply #177 on:** January 13, 2017, 09:45:11 AM »

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Regarding Our Lady of Fatima, and the Miracle of the Sun, I have to wonder if maybe a flat earth model fits better with the circuмstances of the Miracle of the Sun.

According to those many faithful who were at the Cova, they observed that the sun appeared to be hurling at them, and they were afraid that it was going to fall to earth. In a flat earth model (if I'm recalling correctly) the sun is closer to the earth in proximity.

However, if the sun is as far away as a ball-earth theory supposes, then I think that it would be difficult to have the same effect of the appearance of coming so close to earth, and the temperature rising, and everything in the vicinity drying out suddenly after it rained.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!

mw2016 · « **Reply #178 on:** January 13, 2017, 09:48:02 AM »

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The Trundholm sun chariot is a Nordic Bronze Age artifact discovered in Denmark. It is a representation of the sun chariot, a bronze statue of a horse and a large bronze disk, which are placed on a device with spoked wheels.

The sculpture was discovered with no accompanying objects in 1902 in a peat bog on the Trundholm moor in West Zealand County, on the northwest coast of the island of Zealand (Sjælland) in Denmark, in a region known as Odsherred.

The sculpture is dated by National Museum of Denmark to about 1800 to 1600 BC, though other dates have been suggested. Unfortunately it was found before pollen-dating was developed, which would have enabled a more confident dating.

A model of a horse-drawn vehicle on spoked wheels in Northern Europe at such an early time is surprising; they would not be expected to appear until the end of the Late Bronze Age, which ranges from 1100 BC to 550 BC. This and aspects of the decoration may suggest a Danubian origin or influence in the object, although the National Museum is confident it is of Nordic origin.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #179 on:** January 13, 2017, 09:48:36 AM »

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Quote from: Meg
Regarding Our Lady of Fatima, and the Miracle of the Sun, I have to wonder if maybe a flat earth model fits better with the circuмstances of the Miracle of the Sun.

According to those many faithful who were at the Cova, they observed that the sun appeared to be hurling at them, and they were afraid that it was going to fall to earth. In a flat earth model (if I'm recalling correctly) the sun is closer to the earth in proximity.

However, if the sun is as far away as a ball-earth theory supposes, then I think that it would be difficult to have the same effect of the appearance of coming so close to earth, and the temperature rising, and everything in the vicinity drying out suddenly after it rained. I could be wrong.

Here's the thing about miracles: they don't obey the laws of nature. Hence, the word "miracle". Also a great reason why you cannot deduce natural laws from them.

One thing to ponder about the Miracle of the Sun was that for the rest of the world, the Sun was perfectly normal. Does it mean there were two Suns? Was one real and the other an illusion? At a certain point, the power of God is irreducible and unexplainable, it just is. It wouldn't be quite so wonderful if we could explain how it came to be.

The miracle of the sun happened right above the flat earth. It was the sun which appeared to fall towards the flat earth. 70,000 people witnessed the Miracle of the Sun. The flat earth remained flat the whole time and still to this day, the earth has remained flat. God has not suspended the laws of nature to turn the flat earth He created, into a ball.