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« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2017, 06:41:30 PM »
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    Let's see how many times the Bible mentions a sunset, the sun going "down", and a sunrise.

    Genesis 15:12
    And when the sun was setting, a deep sleep fell upon Abram, and a great and darksome horror seized upon him.

    Genesis 15:17
    And when the sun was set, there arose a dark mist, and there appeared a smoking furnace and a lamp of fire passing between those divisions.

    Genesis 28:11
    And when he was come to a certain place, and would rest in it after sunset, he took of the stones that lay there, and putting under his head, slept in the same place.

    Exodus 17:12
    And Moses' hands were heavy: so they took a stone, and put under him, and he sat on it: and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands on both sides. And it came to pass that his hands were not weary until sunset.

    Exodus 22:26
    If thou take of thy neighbour a garment in pledge, thou shalt give it him again before sunset.

    Leviticus 22:7
    And the sun is down, then being purified, he shall eat of the sanctified things, because it is his meat.

    Deuteronomy 16:6
    But in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose, that his name may dwell there: thou shalt immolate the phase in the evening, at the going down of the sun, at which time thou camest out of Egypt.  

    Deuteronomy 24:13
    But thou shalt restore it to him presently before the going down of the sun: that he may sleep in his own raiment and bless thee, and thou mayst have justice before the Lord thy God.

    Deuteronomy 24:15
    But thou shalt pay him the price of his labour the same day, before the going down of the sun, because he is poor, and with it maintaineth his life: lest he cry against thee to the Lord, and it be reputed to thee for a sin.

    Joshua 8:29
    And he hung the king thereof on a gibbet until the evening and the going down of the sun. Then Josue commanded, and they took down his carcass from the gibbet: and threw it in the very entrance of the city, heaping upon it a great heap of stones, which remaineth until this present day.

    Joshua 10:27
    And when the sun was down, he commanded the soldiers to take them down from the gibbets. And after they were taken down, they cast them into the cave where they had lain hid, and put great stones at the mouth thereof, which remain until this day.

    Judges 5:31
    So let all thy enemies perish, O Lord: but let them that love thee shine, as the sun shineth in his rising. And the land rested for forty years.

    2 Samuel 3:35
    And when all the people came to take meat with David, while it was yet broad day, David swore, saying: So do God to me, and more also, if I taste bread or any thing else before sunset

    2 Samuel 23:4
    As the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, shineth in the morning without clouds, and as the grass springeth out of the earth by rain

    1 Kings 22:36
    And the herald proclaimed through all the army before the sun set, saying: Let every man return to his own city, and to his own country.

    Psalm 113:3
    From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same, the name of the Lord is worthy of praise.

    Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again,

    Isaiah 45:6
    That they may know who are from the rising of the sun, and they who are from the west, that there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is none else

    Daniel 6:14
    Now when the king had heard these words, he was very much grieved, and in behalf of Daniel he set his heart to deliver him and even till sunset he laboured to save him.

    Micah 3:6
    Therefore night shall be to you instead of vision, and darkness to you instead of divination; and the sun shall go down upon the prophets, and the day shall be darkened over them.

    Mark 1:32
    And when it was evening, after sunset, they brought to him all that were ill and that were possessed with devils.

    Mark 4:6
    And when the sun was risen, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

    Mark 16:2
    And very early in the morning, the first day of the week, they come to the sepulchre, the sun being now risen.

    Luke 4:40
    And when the sun was down, all they that had any sick with divers diseases, brought them to him. But he laying his hands on every one of them, healed them.  

    Must be a mistranslation, right? We all know the sun doesn't actually rise or fall, or "set"... or do we? God wouldn't dare allow any kind of poetic language based off of man's limited perspective make it into His inspired Scripture! Good news is that the sun is also a male. That's what it says right?!!?

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    light doesn't bend.


    :laugh2:

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    No backside of the sun, bud.  Proven a myriad of times by many people.  I'd post a video, but ppl don't seem to view them.  Get yourself a Nikon P900 and sun lenses and view for yourself.


    You'd be standing around for days because that's how long it takes for a sunspot to move across the face of the sun and yes, disappear from view.



    Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.

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    « Reply #136 on: January 11, 2017, 07:10:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Truth is Eternal
    Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.


    Ahr yoo shore abowt thad?

    Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #137 on: January 11, 2017, 07:30:25 PM »
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    No I don't 'get it' mw2016, Could you show us the de fide dogma that tells us heaven is above the earth and hell below, a dogma binding under pain of mortal sin.



    Yes, it is de fide.

    It is in our Apostles' Creed that Heaven is above and hell is below us.

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    He descended into hell.
    On the third day,
    He arose again from the dead.
    He ascended into Heaven,
    Sitteth at the right hand
    Of God, the Father Almighty,
    From thence He shall come,
    To judge the living and the dead.

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    « Reply #138 on: January 11, 2017, 07:37:42 PM »
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    Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.


    Why do you post such drivel when it is obvious you do not understand (nor make the slightest effort to understand) the FE model?

    None of what you posted above is true.

    There are plenty of videos that illustrate the FE model and the motion of the sun and moon and how sunrise and sunset works. But, as happenby says - you don't watch them.

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    « Reply #139 on: January 11, 2017, 07:42:50 PM »
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    The idea of antipodes, people that walk upside down on one side of the earth as opposed to others is condemned by the Church:

    The great authority of Augustine, and the cogency of his scriptural argument, held the Church firmly against the doctrine of the antipodes; all schools of interpretation were now agreed--the followers of the allegorical tendencies of Alexandria, the strictly literals exegetes of Syria, the more eclectic theologians of the West. For over a thousand years it was held in the Church, "always, everywhere, and by all," that there could not be human beings on the opposite sides of the earth, even if the earth had opposite sides; and, when attacked by gainsayers the great mass of true believers, from the fourth century to the fifteenth, simply used that opiate which had so soothing an effect on John Henry Newman in the nineteenth century--securus judicat orbis terrarum.  (the secure judgement of the whole world)
    pg 104  A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom  --White

    Bishop Isidore of Seville (560-636) taught in his widely read encyclopedia, The etymologies, that the earth was round.  While some writers have thought he referred to a spherical Earth, this and other writings make it clear that he considered the earth to be a disk of wheel shaped.  Isidore did not admit the possibility of people dwelling at the antipodes, considering them as legendary, and noting that there was no evidence for their existence.  The Esoteric Codex: Dynamics of the Celestial Spheres

    At the very least, these (and I got plenty more) statements and proofs bear serious weight and show the Church maintains the literal interpretation of scriptural flat earth. Catholics should not summarily dismiss these things when their understanding of some of the dynamics of the earth do not add up for them.



    This is very important.


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    « Reply #140 on: January 11, 2017, 07:48:04 PM »
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    That sauid I am finding mw2016 is getting a little nastuy with his reply posts.


    Sorry, I am a little cranky afer being called "FlatTard" all day by Croix de Fer.

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    « Reply #141 on: January 11, 2017, 08:08:15 PM »
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    Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.


    Why do you post such drivel when it is obvious you do not understand (nor make the slightest effort to understand) the FE model?

    None of what you posted above is true.

    There are plenty of videos that illustrate the FE model and the motion of the sun and moon and how sunrise and sunset works. But, as happenby says - you don't watch them.


    You don't literally believe the sun rises, because that would also mean it falls, because I have seen your laughable model where it stays firmly above the Earth at all times.

    The primary (rhetorical) point was that if you were truly consistent with your use of Biblical language to describe the motions of heavenly bodies literally, you would then be forced to conclude that the sun must in fact rise then go down or "set" everyday. In turn this would mean that the world must be divided into to flat sections, one on the top and one on the bottom in order to make a sunrise and sunset literal and not tied down to a figure of speech based off of man's limited observation.

    I predict that you will become even more enraged and dismissive instead of admitting that your train of thought has no tracks to begin with. You literally can't follow it anywhere you try to take the idea. This in itself is quite an accomplishment! It takes an incredible amount of time and effort to become as ignorant as you and your fellow flathead screwtapers, I recognize that. I'm sure you'd have a bright future at the FSB/SWR... if you're not with them already!

    It's been awhile since I've perused your ravings though. Could you post that crudely made CGI graphic of the flat earth model again? You know, the one with dimple-patterned sea surface? Thanks a bunch!

     

     

    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #142 on: January 11, 2017, 08:23:47 PM »
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    Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.


    Ahr yoo shore abowt thad?

    Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.


    I am sure.


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    « Reply #143 on: January 11, 2017, 08:27:20 PM »
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    Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.


    Ahr yoo shore abowt thad?

    Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.


    I am sure.


    Start from the top. Tell me how your model works with a literal rising and setting sun. It's your chance to shine!
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #144 on: January 11, 2017, 08:39:37 PM »
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    Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.


    Ahr yoo shore abowt thad?

    Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.


    I am sure.


    Start from the top. Tell me how your model works with a literal rising and setting sun. It's your chance to shine!


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/p_9cFTQg7NE [/youtube]

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    « Reply #145 on: January 11, 2017, 08:54:52 PM »
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  • Right, like mw2016, you also believe the sun does not literally rise nor literally set but merely emerges and fades from view because we can't just see far enough. What neither one of you has managed to understand is that your use of the Bible as literal in every single case, particularly in regards to the overall shape of the Sun and the Earth is faulty because there are at least 24 instances the Bible where the sun is described as "rising" "going down" or likewise setting. This is significant because your specific take on the FE does not accept this view, when by your own tortured Protestant logic it simply must be. God wouldn't lie about the movement of the Sun when He inspired those men to say "rising" and "going down", would He? Can you answer this honestly? Survey says no!
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #146 on: January 11, 2017, 09:02:15 PM »
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    Right, like mw2016, you also believe the sun does not literally rise nor literally set but merely emerges and fades from view because we can't just see far enough. What neither one of you has managed to understand is that your use of the Bible as literal in every single case, particularly in regards to the overall shape of the Sun and the Earth is faulty because there are at least 24 instances the Bible where the sun is described as "rising" "going down" or likewise setting. This is significant because your specific take on the FE does not accept this view, when by your own tortured Protestant logic it simply must be. God wouldn't lie about the movement of the Sun when He inspired those men to say "rising" and "going down", would He? Can you answer this honestly? Survey says no!


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    « Reply #147 on: January 11, 2017, 09:14:39 PM »
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    and now came the man who wrought it yet more deeply into European belief, the poet divinely inspired who made the system part of the world’s life. Pictured by Dante [in The Divine Comedy], the empyrean and the concentric heavens, paradise, purgatory, and hell, were seen by all;

    ‘Let us look into this vast creation – the highest achievement of theology – somewhat more closely. Its first feature shows a development out of earlier theological ideas. The earth is no longer a flat plain enclosed by four walls and solidly vaulted above, as theologians of previous centuries had believed it [sic], under the inspiration of Cosmas [Indicopleustes]; it is no longer a mere flat disk, with sun, moon, and stars hung up to give it light, as the earlier cathedral sculptors had figured it; it has become a globe at the centre of the universe.'



    Quoing Dickson-White's opinions of Dante Alighieri's "Divine Comedy" and his illustrations of the universe is hardly compelling. The Bible, however, is compelling.

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    « Reply #148 on: January 11, 2017, 09:31:58 PM »
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    . God wouldn't lie about the movement of the Sun when He inspired those men to say "rising" and "going down", would He? Can you answer this honestly?


    There is no contradiction whatsoever as God CANNOT deceive nor be deceived.

    The sun LITERALLY rises and sets every day for every man at every point on the flat plane of the earth. This is LITERALLY what you - and every person - sees with your own eyes from where you are, at any location on the flat plane of the earth. As the sun approaches you on the East Coast, it rises. When the sun reaches Missouri, it rises. When the sun reaches Arizona, it rises. When the sun reaches California, it rises. The sun travels in a level path over the earth, and this phenomenon is easily duplicated by all aircraft when they fly overhead.

    There is only One Person who could see the sun from ABOVE its circuit, and that is God Himself.

    You - or any person - CANNOT EVER attain the altitude of the heavens in order to see the sun traverse the sky in its circuit above the earth because God will not allow it. You know this is true because the Bible tells us so in the story of Babel.

    Honestly, the fact that a human being sitting down here on the flat plane was able to figure out how the laws of perspective work and was able to clearly illustrate it is genius, in my opinion.

    God's design is simple and elegant, and exactly as described in Genesis.

    It is NOT as described by the high priests of the religion of scientism.

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    « Reply #149 on: January 11, 2017, 09:41:01 PM »
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    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/p_9cFTQg7NE [/youtube]


    This is such a fantastic, small scale, real world, easy-to-understand illustration of sunrise/sunset on the FE model and how it works.

    Croixalist should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch it 100 times until he understands it.

    It really is so very simple.

    I fear people who cannot understand this concept are suffering some sort of willful blindness.