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So, which direction did Jesus rise?  The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.  

This is another post that went unanswered. So, let me do that.

Sorry the illustration with this post did not reappear here, I am unable to post pioctures. It depicts man on a global earth as though it would mean the only place he could stand upright is on top of the north pole. Everywhere else he would be standing sideways at different angles until he is standing upside down at the south pole.

Of all the posts arguing against a global earth this one needs to be exposed for what it is, bringing the debate down to the level of absurdity, and submitting a dogma of the faith to this asbsurdity. Better we separate the two for simplicity.

Now unless flaterarthers argue the moon, sun and planets are also flat, with their discs pointing towards the earth at all times, then they must take the moon and Mars as globes. This being so, if man were to get to the moon, and land probes on Mars, which I accept as true happenings, then the same nonsense would apply. Only at the top, wherever that might be on the moon and Mars, would a man or machine be able to stand upright.

“For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” (Ecclus 3:21-26).

To understand how we have the sky above and earth below everywhere on global earth is beyond human reasoning. We call this mystery 'gravity' and actually believe we understand how it works, but in fact it is an ongoing act of God.

To say science understands the mystery of ‘gravity’ is ignorant or deceit for no one other than God ‘understands’ what we call ‘gravity.’ We know the need for and effects of ‘gravity’ on earth, and indeed on the surface of every other cosmic body, but can mere human reason really comprehend the mystery of gravity? Given, for example, that if we view the earth from space, as man can do now, we find it surrounded by nothing; its surface covered with ‘unattached’ things, half ‘upside-down’ relative to the other half. This being so, we can ask, how is it that on this same globe everybody on its surface has the sky above and the earth below. Is such a phenomenon not beyond human understanding? Let us put it this way. Here we are in the space shuttle, heading for global earth. Now, no matter where we head for, even if it is a place right on the bottom of the globe as we head towards it, somehow, by the time we land, we end up the same way, the sky is always overhead, and the earth is always below. When does the ‘head-under-heels twist’ happen, we ask? If a fly landed on the same place on a light bulb, it would find itself ‘upside down,’ yet the same does not occur when the bulbs are cosmic bodies. How does this happen? ‘It is all because of gravity’ we are told, and thank God for it we say, because without it we would all be in one terrible incoherent state of chaos.

In fact, the sun and moon faces are always facing toward earth.  We never see the backside of either.  

Gravity has long been questioned by scientists and has many contradictions science fails to address.

"You might wonder why a string theorist is interested in Newton’s equations. After all Newton was overturned a century ago by Einstein, who explained gravity as warps in the geometry of space-time, and who some theorists think could be overturned in turn by string theorists.
Those exploding black holes (at least in theory — none has ever been observed) lit up a new strangeness of nature. Black holes, in effect, are holograms — like the 3-D images you see on bank cards."
http://www.greenexplored.com/2010/07/gravity-debunked-by-thermodynamics.html

The unfolding story of gravity is like the emperor’s new clothes.
“We’ve known for a long time gravity doesn’t exist,” Dr. Verlinde said, “It’s time to yell it.”

The Encyclopedia Britannica tells us that “ The Law of Gravitation is unique among the laws of nature, not only for its wide generality, taking the whole universe into its scope, but in the fact that, so far as is yet known, it is absolutely unmodified by any condition or cause whatever.”
Reduced to simplicity, gravitation is said to be “That which attracts every thing toward every other thing.” That does not tell us much ; and yet the little it does tell us is not true; for a thoughtful observer knows very well that everything is not attracted towards every other thing. . . The definition implies that it is a force  but it does not say so, for that phrase “ mutual action ” is ambiguous, and not at all convincing.

Newton: ‘Allow us, without proof, which is impossible, the existence of two universal forces –centrifugal and centripetal, or attraction and repulsion, and we will construct a theory which shall explain all the leading phenomena and mysteries of Nature.’  

Gravity is a scam, unproven, unreasonable, untenable.  How can something draw all objects to itself and at the same time fail to do so all the time?  The idea of antipodes, people that walk upside down on one side of the earth as opposed to others is condemned by the Church:

The great authority of Augustine, and the cogency of his scriptural argument, held the Church firmly against the doctrine of the antipodes; all schools of interpretation were now agreed--the followers of the allegorical tendencies of Alexandria, the strictly literals exegetes of Syria, the more eclectic theologians of the West. For over a thousand years it was held in the Church, "always, everywhere, and by all," that there could not be human beings on the opposite sides of the earth, even if the earth had opposite sides; and, when attacked by gainsayers the great mass of true believers, from the fourth century to the fifteenth, simply used that opiate which had so soothing an effect on John Henry Newman in the nineteenth century--securus judicat orbis terrarum.  (the secure judgement of the whole world)
pg 104  A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom  --White

Bishop Isidore of Seville (560-636) taught in his widely read encyclopedia, The etymologies, that the earth was round.  While some writers have thought he referred to a spherical Earth, this and other writings make it clear that he considered the earth to be a disk of wheel shaped.  Isidore did not admit the possibility of people dwelling at the antipodes, considering them as legendary, and noting that there was no evidence for their existence.  The Esoteric Codex: Dynamics of the Celestial Spheres

At the very least, these (and I got plenty more) statements and proofs bear serious weight and show the Church maintains the literal interpretation of scriptural flat earth. Catholics should not summarily dismiss these things when their understanding of some of the dynamics of the earth do not add up for them.

I read the first sentence and found the first mistake happenby. Yes we do see the backside of the sun. The sun rotates so we see all of it once a revolution.

Einstein allowed for Newton's 'mass' theory of gravity.

Be careful with the concept of gravity. As i said above it is just a word for what we experience on earth. Newton's and Einstein's gravity relates to the movements of cosmic bodies. Theories for gravity can be thought up by anybody, but yes, they are only useless theories.

I have always respected Flat-earth arguments. I went through the barrier of evolution and heliocentrism and the contempt with which these people can attack one and one's arguments. I understand that some like yourself can be convinced. For myself I have not been convinced and cannot see how it is essential to the Catholic faith or how it has affected the Faith like heliocentrism (and evolution) has. Heliocentrism was defined as heresy by no biblical interpretation of a flat earth ever occurred.
That sauid I am finding mw2016 is getting a little nastuy with his reply posts.

2 Samuel 3:35
And when all the people came to take meat with David, while it was yet broad day, David swore, saying: So do God to me, and more also, if I taste bread or any thing else before sunset

2 Samuel 23:4
As the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, shineth in the morning without clouds, and as the grass springeth out of the earth by rain

1 Kings 22:36
And the herald proclaimed through all the army before the sun set, saying: Let every man return to his own city, and to his own country.