Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 247326 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #75 on:** January 09, 2017, 06:18:54 PM »

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Besides, all evidence, scientific, empirical,

LOL. What scientific evidence? Please cite the empirical, peer-reviewed journal and study proving the "earth is flat."

It's funny that you claim "science proves the earth is flat", when it's you "flat earthers" who say "science has conspired to deceive everyone to think the earth is a globe." Which is it? You people contradict yourselves.

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by the senses

Oh, you mean the senses that subjectively perceive things? Those senses?

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by the Church Fathers, and from the Church Herself

What the Church teaches about the earth isn't infallible because the earth's geometry doesn't pertain to the Faith and morals. And the Fathers' and Church's teaching about a "flat earth" isn't as widespread as you imply.

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by scripture

Scripture doesn't teach the earth is flat. Give the Hebrew and Greek words for "flat", and you'll see that the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat.

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You have to quit parroting the false, and study.

Look at you, the pseudo-learned one. You just described yourself. I'm not parroting anyone because the example I gave about Our Lady hasn't been mentioned before other than by me... and it destroys your false premise of what flat earthers call "globe". How? Let me repeat myself a THIRD time. Earthquakes don't happen in the sky (a "half globe" according to FlatTards). They happen on the very land and waters on which we live and navigate.

You lose, again.

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #76 on:** January 10, 2017, 03:44:25 AM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer

Quote from: happenby
Besides, all evidence, scientific, empirical,

LOL. What scientific evidence? Please cite the empirical, peer-reviewed journal and study proving the "earth is flat."

It's funny that you claim "science proves the earth is flat", when it's you "flat earthers" who say "science has conspired to deceive everyone to think the earth is a globe." Which is it? You people contradict yourselves.

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by the senses

Oh, you mean the senses that subjectively perceive things? Those senses?

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by the Church Fathers, and from the Church Herself

What the Church teaches about the earth isn't infallible because the earth's geometry doesn't pertain to the Faith and morals. And the Fathers' and Church's teaching about a "flat earth" isn't as widespread as you imply.

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by scripture

Scripture doesn't teach the earth is flat. Give the Hebrew and Greek words for "flat", and you'll see that the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat.

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You have to quit parroting the false, and study.

Look at you, the pseudo-learned one. You just described yourself. I'm not parroting anyone because the example I gave about Our Lady hasn't been mentioned before other than by me... and it destroys your false premise of what flat earthers call "globe". How? Let me repeat myself a THIRD time. Earthquakes don't happen in the sky (a "half globe" according to FlatTards). They happen on the very land and waters on which we live and navigate.

You lose, again.

Nowhere is scientific defined as being peer-reviewed, in journals and in studies. Science simply comes from the latin meaning to know, knowledge. You know this.

Here are the proofs. http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f9-flat-earth-proofs Take the time to go over them, otherwise you can't seriously claim to refute flat earthers.

Trust me, many have come at the flat earth with the arrogant "I know best because modern scientists say so" attitude, and have fallen flat on their face, and also brought people to the flat earth. Don't repeat their mistakes.

mw2016 · « **Reply #77 on:** January 10, 2017, 11:58:09 AM »

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You keep proving my point. Did you not read what I wrote? YOU answer and explain why there is this grand conspiracy by pilots and the others keep people thinking the world is a globe. I'm not wasting my time on videos until I get an answer from the actual flat earther who is posting the videos.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/xJOB0vcZ4NI[/youtube]

The active-duty Navy man being interviewed here is a ten-year military ballisitic weapons instructor. In the video, he says he first came to the FE material with a bad attitude intent on debunking it. He said, however, the more he looked into it, the more he realized it could NOT be debunked. He says he never gave a thought to the shape of the earth while doing his job. He says he thinks most men are just doing their job, and accept what they are told - hence, no grand conspiracy, just a bunch of people who have never given much thought to what they are doing.

He has realized that NONE of their weapons systems take into account any curvature of earth whatsoever.

He says they have infrared systems that can see ships at approx. 25-27nm at night, and this should be impossible on a ball earth. In other words, at those distances the curvature should make those ships not visible.

He says they have radar systems that can track ships at approx. 175-200nm, which should not be visible if there were curvature.

He says they have guided missile systems that require a 2-inch beam frequency to track the missile to keep it on target (or else it will go ballistic) and this would be utterly impossible on a ball earth, due to the curvature.

He also says their software was taken from a Norgegian tank's system, which is a planar program, operating on an x- and y- axis, which is therefore rendered impossible if the earth is a ball.

He says their calculations for firing weapons involve NO exceptions for the Coriolis effect EVER. NONE. He says he thinks the claim that this is done, when it emphatically is NOT done in reality, is merely a claim to prop up the idea of a ball earth.

So, if they do not have to account for the earth spinning to hit their targets, that means the earth is definitely NOT spinning.

mw2016 · « **Reply #78 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:00:45 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer

What scientific evidence? Please cite the empirical, peer-reviewed journal and study proving the "earth is flat."

The Michelson-Morley Experiment, for starters.

mw2016 · « **Reply #79 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:14:07 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer

Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

That word is used ONLY in the 1899 versions of the Douay-Rheims.

It is NOT in the original.

What an interesting coincidence that right around the time of a tremendous resurgence of the topic of the flat earth in the 1890's that the word in the Bible should be changed to 'globe.'

The original Douay-Rheims passage of Isaiah 40:22 reads:

"He that sitteth upon the compasse of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts, he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in."

Here's a copy of the original text attached.

mw2016 · « **Reply #80 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:23:19 PM »

It is worth noting the MEANING of the word "compass."

It is both a noun and a verb.

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noun
1. an instrument containing a magnetized pointer that shows the direction of magnetic north and bearings from it.

2. an instrument for drawing circles and arcs and measuring distances between points, consisting of two arms linked by a movable joint, one arm ending in a point and the other usually carrying a pencil or pen.

verb
1. to go around (something) in a circular course.
"the ship wherein Magellan compassed the world"

Also, if you look at the Latin Vulgate, the Latin for the part of the passage says:

"Qui sedet super gyrum terrae,"

In Latin, terrae means land or earth, and gyrum means "go around" or "about."

So, this means the circle earth.

It is a flat disc, not a ball, not a globe, not a sphere.

Everyone is capable of understanding and distinguishing the difference between a CIRCLE and a BALL.

mw2016 · « **Reply #81 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:30:10 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer

You're saying the Catholic Church, who wrote the Bible and canonically approved the Douay Rheims translation (the very first mass-produced English translation from the Vulgate), loses.

You need to do YOUR homework.

The 1899 Challoner Bible is NOT the first.

Time to buy yourself a late Christmas present - an ORIGINAL DOuay-Rheims from 1582 and 1610, NOT 1899:

http://www.realdouayrheims.com/

mw2016 · « **Reply #82 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:33:11 PM »

Quote from: Croix de Fer

Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are, geometrically, circular and spherical. It's a matter of semantics.

Dear God, the stupid... it burns!

No, it is NOT semantics, and precision of language matters - a LOT.

A CIRCLE is NEVER a BALL.

A circle is, by DEFINITION, flat. It has only two dimensions. A ball is three-dimensional. If I hold up a circle and a ball and ask which is which, even a KINDERGARTNER can tell me the answer.

YOU lose.

happenby · « **Reply #83 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:40:55 PM »

Quote from: mw2016

Quote from: Croix de Fer

Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are, geometrically, circular and spherical. It's a matter of semantics.

Dear God, the stupid... it burns!

No, it is NOT semantics, and precision of language matters - a LOT.

A CIRCLE is NEVER a BALL.

A circle is, by DEFINITION, flat. It has only two dimensions. A ball is three-dimensional. If I hold up a circle and a ball and ask which is which, even a KINDERGARTNER can tell me the answer.

YOU lose.

A circle is a ball.

This kind of nonsense is what the ball earth people resort to in order to maintain their indoctrination. They contradict themselves, words, teachings, authority and reality because they refuse to believe what is true.

The horizon is not the curvizon. Level does not mean curve. Up is not out in every direction. Yet they believe this garbage like it was a religion.

happenby · « **Reply #84 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:45:06 PM »

MW2016 said: Everyone is capable of understanding and distinguishing the difference between a CIRCLE and a BALL.

Um... maybe not. :scratchchin:

happenby · « **Reply #85 on:** January 10, 2017, 12:49:39 PM »

Croix de fer said:

Wrong, again. You keep ignoring the fact that the Bible NEVER mentioned the word "flat" to describe the shape of the earth.

So, that means Our Lady was not Immaculately conceived? Because that isn't "literally" in scripture either.

:boxer:

happenby · « **Reply #86 on:** January 10, 2017, 01:03:35 PM »

Scripture: Gen 1:6,7

6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.

Amos 9:6
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens,
And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth,
He who calls for the waters of the sea
And pours them out on the face of the earth,
The LORD is His name.

Please baal earther, do explain how this works on a sphere. Where is this firmament (dome) scripture describes? How can there be a dome on a sphere?

mw2016 · « **Reply #87 on:** January 10, 2017, 01:26:32 PM »

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A circle is a ball.

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MW2016 said: Everyone is capable of understanding and distinguishing the difference between a CIRCLE and a BALL.

Um... maybe not. :scratchchin:

I know, right?

How anyone can say a circle and a globe are the same thing - with a straight face! - is incredible to me.

Count me in for a double facepalm...

mw2016 · « **Reply #88 on:** January 10, 2017, 01:28:25 PM »

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The horizon is not the curvizon.

Shhhh! Don't tell him that it's called a 'horizon' because it is HORIZONTAL.

See, now you made me break out my dictionary again...

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horizontal
adjective
1. parallel to the plane of the horizon; at right angles to the vertical.
"a horizontal line"
synonyms: level, flat, plane, smooth, even;

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ho·ri·zon

noun
1. the line at which the earth's surface and the sky appear to meet.

synonyms: skyline
"the sun rose above the horizon"

happenby · « **Reply #89 on:** January 10, 2017, 02:12:37 PM »

Quote from: mw2016

Quote from: happenby

The horizon is not the curvizon.

Shhhh! Don't tell him that it's called a 'horizon' because it is HORIZONTAL.

See, now you made me break out my dictionary again...

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horizontal
adjective
1. parallel to the plane of the horizon; at right angles to the vertical.
"a horizontal line"
synonyms: level, flat, plane, smooth, even;

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ho·ri·zon

noun
1. the line at which the earth's surface and the sky appear to meet.

synonyms: skyline
"the sun rose above the horizon"

Such reasonableness is way too much! You gotta think like a spherical earther because NASA and pagan scientists said so: The ball earth is flat where I stand! It is upside down to those on the other side, but all people stand upright even if they don't! Horizon doesn't mean horizontal, it just means you can't see the curve! Level isn't really level because earth is a ball and we just think level means level but it definitely doesn't! Because I said so! Ships disappear behind the curve whether you can see them with a telescope or not! Polaris moves even if it doesn't! Plane sailing is really circle sailing! Satellites never fall to earth because football sized items up in the sky are too fantastical to understand! Flat earthers think everything means what its supposed to mean but they don't get it!

Get with the program mw2016.

:cheers: