Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 341245 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #730 on:** June 27, 2017, 02:21:38 PM »

Quote from: happenby on June 26, 2017, 01:08:05 AM

The starting location of the moon's shadow on the surface of the earth is a direct consequence of the spherical shape of the sun, the moon and the earth, as well as their placement in space...
This line is so convoluted, I don't know where to begin. Nobody in the world could make sense of that if they were paid to do it. Then you say: The moon's shadow on earth comes from the spherical shape of the sun, the moon and the earth. Seriously? Can you even hear yourself? Neil, you aren't even trying anymore. Again and again, all you say is, if this is true, then the earth can't be flat. This is not only not scientific, it isn't reasonable and it proves nothing. You have no idea how the sun and moon work on a flat earth, so just saying so doesn't make it so. But we've been through all this. Saying outrageous nonsense for which there is no evidence, like this: the moon's shadow begins with an oblong shape due to the projection of its round shape onto the curved surface of the spherical earth. Um...what? I have no words. Everything coming from you Neil is mumbo jumbo. None of it makes sense. Your attempt to debunk flat earth has gone into the far reaches of silly. At least read what you write and decide not to put it down. You're embarrassing yourself.

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"This line is so convoluted, I don't know where to begin."
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Sorry, I presumed you could THINK. Maybe I expected too much. The moon's shadow on earth comes from the spherical shape of the sun, the moon and the earth. If you don't know what I'm talking about maybe you should look up the definition of the words in the sentence, like "shadow" or "spherical" or "moon."
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Take for example this global earth projection provided by Tom Kribbage:

The band of blue circular figures in the middle stands for the path of the total solar eclipse. The path is not a straight line, nor is it a simple curve. It is an s-shaped curve. Starting on the left, the first figure is an oval that is wider than it is tall. That is because the shadow of the moon when it first appears falling on the curved surface of the earth is not a round shadow due to the angle of the curved earth's surface. As the shadow moves to the east (that means to the right) the shape becomes gradually more circular, as it passes over Central America (where the Mayans lived), and then as it passes further, the shadow again stretches out and becomes wider than it is tall.
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Maybe this is too complicated for a simple-minded flat-earther to understand.
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You have no idea how the sun and moon work on a flat earth

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Well, then that makes two of us. We have something in common!
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Because you don't know how the sun and moon work on a flat earth either. Nobody does, actually, because the earth isn't "flat" and there isn't anything to understand about how the sun and moon "work" on it.
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happenby · « **Reply #731 on:** June 27, 2017, 03:32:52 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 27, 2017, 02:01:02 PM

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The only charts showing the path of solar eclipses are those mapping the path of the moon's shadow on the globe of planet earth.
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That's because nobody bothers to make up a fake map using a "flat" earth model. And they don't bother because if they tried, it would only show how ridiculous the model is.
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Flat-earthers have resorted to denying that the light of the moon is due to the sun shining on it, and they go so far as to proclaim that the moon's light comes from INSIDE the moon! Talk about nonsense! Oh, but wait -- that's not silly enough: then they admit that they have no idea how the light is produced inside the moon or what causes it. You can't make this stuff up!
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They cannot show any dimensions for their placement of the sun and moon above their mythical "flat" earth and therefore they cannot manage to demonstrate the alignment of the two that happens during an eclipse. Consequently, they say that they don't know what makes an eclipse happen.
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Let's see: They don't know what makes an eclipse happen, they can't predict one, and they have no idea how to foretell the time and location of a solar eclipse.
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What are they going to do when this one coming in August takes place?
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What are the flat-earthers going to tell all the tourists who are lining up their summer vacations so as to be at a choice spot on the map when the eclipse passes overhead? Will the flat-earthers protect their eyes by purchasing eclipse glasses in advance? Or are they going to try to see what everyone is looking at anyway, without protecting their eyes?
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We can call those the willfully blind.
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Everyone who determines eclipses does so by the position of the sun moon and stars and not by the form of the earth, so saying flat earthers cannot predetermine eclipses is false. Not every flat earther trusts the common model of flat earth, so that argument is also false. Enoch, Moses and Cosmas provide a more likely model. I do know that the sun and moon produce completely different lights and have done experiments of my own to prove it. I bought a laser thermometer and pointed it at the sun just before sunset. The temp was over 100 degrees. I pointed the same thermometer at the moon that night and it read -2 degrees. While the laser cannot reach either sun or moon, the light emanating from each is different. What experiments have you personally done, Neil? The moon may obtain some energy from the sun, but it isn't the same light at all. Moonlight is cold and silvery. Sunlight is warm and golden. The differences are obvious. Again, your arguments fall short. That's at least 3 for 3, for Happenby. 0 for Neil.

happenby · « **Reply #732 on:** June 27, 2017, 03:34:07 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on June 27, 2017, 02:21:38 PM

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"This line is so convoluted, I don't know where to begin."
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Sorry, I presumed you could THINK. Maybe I expected too much. The moon's shadow on earth comes from the spherical shape of the sun, the moon and the earth. If you don't know what I'm talking about maybe you should look up the definition of the words in the sentence, like "shadow" or "spherical" or "moon."
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Take for example this global earth projection provided by Tom Kribbage:

The band of blue circular figures in the middle stands for the path of the total solar eclipse. The path is not a straight line, nor is it a simple curve. It is an s-shaped curve. Starting on the left, the first figure is an oval that is wider than it is tall. That is because the shadow of the moon when it first appears falling on the curved surface of the earth is not a round shadow due to the angle of the curved earth's surface. As the shadow moves to the east (that means to the right) the shape becomes gradually more circular, as it passes over Central America (where the Mayans lived), and then as it passes further, the shadow again stretches out and becomes wider than it is tall.
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Maybe this is too complicated for a simple-minded flat-earther to understand.
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Well, then that makes two of us. We have something in common!
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Because you don't know how the sun and moon work on a flat earth either. Nobody does, actually, because the earth isn't "flat" and there isn't anything to understand about how the sun and moon "work" on it.
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Next thing you know this Obstinate guy will be coming out with excuses for aliens. LOL

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #733 on:** July 01, 2017, 02:33:03 PM »

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Oh, by the way, did you manage to get out and measure the angle between the sun and moon yesterday?
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No?
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You missed a great opportunity, then. But like always, you're not interested in the truth, are you.
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I guess not.
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Yesterday the moon was in full splendor all afternoon, while the sun went from directly overhead to sunset. During this prime time, you could see the entire spectrum of these angles in question, as the moon approached its First Quarter phase after 5 and before 6 pm, Pacific Daylight Time. Everyone from the Rocky Mountains westward to Hawaii had front row center seats in this show. You could have measured an angle of 89+ degrees until 5:51 pm, after which the angle became 90 degrees, and increasing hourly. It gave the whole show that we need to see, once and for all. The moon does not lie, but tells the truth for all to see.
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But you don't care about that, do you.
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No, flat-earthers are much more content to whine and moan about you-name-it. Mostly nonsense, and no specific data to offer for objective criticism. A bunch of crybabies, I guess. Flat-earthers practice nothing scientific and all the while complain that observing what the moon has to show us is "unscientific," or so they say.
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Wrong, again, as per usual.
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But don't give up, because you haven't missed everything yet. No, this afternoon and evening you can watch the First Quarter moon slide down its course in the sky toward where the sun just set. And you can think about where the sun must be in order to make the moon look the way it does.
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Ask yourself, "Is the sun hiding behind the horizon and skirting the limits of our view going northward as the flat-earthers claim it does every day? Or, is the moon revealing to us the direction from which the sun shines by the illuminated side of the moon which points downward, far below the horizon, at an angle which increases by the minute to the point when the moon as it sets in the west is reclining toward the sun at over 45 degrees from the horizontal, which puts the sun below our feet on the other side of the earth?"
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Or, which is most likely the case, flat-earthers will once again ignore the reality before their eyes and come back ignorantly proclaiming some manner of nonsensical drivel like the sun wasn't shining on the moon because the moon's light comes from inside the moon, or whatever.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #734 on:** July 01, 2017, 02:47:27 PM »

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Yes, every day now for the next week, when the sky is clear in the early evening, all you have to do is look up at the moon right there in plain view for all who have eyes to see.
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Do you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, as Our Lord said?
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If so, then hear the word of the Lord. For the moon is the Lord's creation and He cannot deceive nor be deceived.
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For the next few days, the sharp points on the ends of the moon's waxing gibbous phase make it very easy for us to estimate the angle of repose of the moon. Hold a straight edge (ruler, pencil, or if you have one a protractor) up to touch these two points of the moon and think about what the angle is between that and horizontal.
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As the moon gets closer to full it gets harder to see where those two points are. So the best time to do this is tonight or tomorrow night, when the points are still sharp.
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It's not difficult. Even a child in Kindergarten can do this.
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Of course, if you're a flat-earther and you have such a child, you will absolutely forbid him to measure the image of the moon because you'll be worried he might be practicing paganism or witchcraft, like Pythagoras or Archimedes or Copernicus. Horrors.
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