Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 341079 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #620 on:** May 01, 2017, 03:22:24 PM »

Sorry. I had to stop laughing or I couldn't type. ;D
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I fully expect all the flat-earthers to chime in (if they dare, but if they're too afraid to answer it discredits all their claims) and proclaim with one voice that the surface area of the earth is something that cannot be determined, nor can it be measured. This, even though measuring the area of a flat plane (in which they profess to believe) is a very simple matter.
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Of course, you can prove me wrong by surprising me with something else.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #621 on:** May 01, 2017, 11:49:53 PM »

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Whattaya know. Looks like flat-earthers are all afraid to answer. (The question was, what is the surface area of the earth?)
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No shock there.
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Anyway, the moon had a surprise for me today. I had expected to see it at astronomical high noon (moon time) with an angle of repose at 15 degrees from the vertical, or 75 degrees from the horizontal. But it was much less than that, about 3 or 4 degrees (87 or 86 from the horizontal). This by the way was with the sun nearly setting. Shortly after sunset, the angle of repose increased to 8 degrees from the vertical, which is 82 degrees from the horizontal.
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So the sun appearing to be very low in the sky at sunset is shining at the moon with a surprisingly high angle, so as to make the illuminated side of the moon appear to be spotlighted by a source much higher in the sky than the sun appeared to be. The reason the moon's angle of repose was so steep has to be that the sun's distance from the moon is so immense that the light shining on the moon seems to come from infinity. By the way, that's because of perspective, properly understood. You can learn a lot by watching the moon, but you have to WANT to learn. Flat-earthers apparently prefer to remain in their ignorance.
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Two hours later now, the moon's angle of repose has predictably reclined, as I thought it would, and has now further decreased to 30 degrees from the horizontal. The moon is higher in the sky today than it was yesterday at this time, since it traverses the sky 15 degrees (+/-) less each day than the sun does. The sun moves faster than the moon, in other words. At the New Moon, the sun passes the moon by which is why eclipses always move from west to east. But that's over the heads of flat-earthers, isn't it? They don't know what causes eclipses because their flat-earthism cannot account for them, not now, not ever.
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We will be able to see the moon continue in its reclining aspect for another nearly 3 hours (2-3/4 hours), at which time we will be seeing a moon that has reached a reclining angle of about 15 degrees, if it goes as I expect it will. That means the sun will be shining on it from directly under our feet, at an immense distance away from the earth. If the earth were "flat" only the bottom of it would be getting sunlight after midnight our time. But since we know that in Asia and Australia it will be broad daylight at that time, we know that Asia and Australia are directly under our feet, on the other side of the globe of the earth.
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That further destroys the flat-earth nonsense, but flat-earthers are not short on platitudes to spout at times like this, such as "Nothing you say is true, and it doesn't prove anything." Yeah, right.

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Tomorrow is your chance to measure the angle between the sun and moon as the moon approaches its first quarter. That is, if you want to know the truth. Flat-earthers don't like to learn the truth, as they have shown time and again.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #622 on:** May 04, 2017, 12:09:56 AM »

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Can the flat-earthers measure any area, like a football field -- or a lake, like Lake Tahoe or Lake Erie?
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Maybe not. They might be averse to measuring area because of emotional problems with it.
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Yesterday I measured the angle between the sun and quarter moon again. This time it was much easier to do. The sun set at just 8 minutes before the minute the Almanac has for the First Quarter in my time zone ( 7:48 pm ). So I was able to measure the angle very easily 45 minutes in advance. It was so close to 90 degrees I couldn't tell how much off it was, more or less than 90. I took several readings and they were all right at 90 degrees. I used a plumb line, and it split the moon right in half at the line of light/dark sides, and the line (on the moon) was perfectly plumb, which was very interesting to see first hand.
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As I was doing this exercise, it occurred to me that my time zone is several hundred miles wide, but the minute for the First Quarter is the same for the whole zone. I checked the next time zone over (east) from me and found that the First Quarter moon was listed at just 60 minutes later, which means that the first quarter occurs less than one minute different in these two time zones. OR else, the moment the moon reaches its First Quarter has no bearing on what time zone the observer is in, and it will be the same minute all over the world (adjusted for time zone). The Old Farmer's Almanac does not provide First Quarter time (or any other times) for Greenwich England (UTC) because it's not in the continental USA. So I checked Miami, Florida and found 10:48 pm, which is the same minute as in Los Angeles, adjusted for time zone.
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Therefore, it appears that the moon reaches its First Quarter at a moment in time, regardless of from where on earth one is viewing it. That's something to think about.
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Take the "flat earth" precept for a moment, with the sun and moon making inexplicable squibbles around the north pole. With the sun at 90 degrees from the moon viewed from Los Angeles, would it also be 90 degrees from the moon when viewed from Miami? And would the moon reach its First Quarter at the same minute in California as it does in Florida?
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Obviously not.
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So this poses a huge problem for the flat-earthers, and we have not even started to deal with the 90 degree angle I keep getting between the sun and moon at the First Quarter.
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For the record, I observed the angle of repose of the moon yesterday. As I described above, it was very much at 90 degrees from the horizontal at 7:30 pm, when the moon was just about to achieve its First Quarter, and the moon was directly overhead at astronomical high noon, as I had expected it would be.
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Now, considering the data from Miami, I have no reason to expect that someone there would be seeing anything different from what I see here, that is, the angle of repose of the moon would be 90 degrees from the horizontal in Miami, too, and the moon would be located at astronomical high noon from Miami, both of which make utterly no sense with the sun and moon conforming to the flat-earthers' dictum of 3,000 miles above the earth and whirling around like a slow motion tornado, at once a day.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #623 on:** May 06, 2017, 06:48:23 PM »

Flat-earthers are making a real spectacle of themselves.
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They can't manage to measure the area of anything, much less the surface of the earth.
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They can't be bothered to observe the fact of what the moon looks like at night, lest by measuring and thinking about it they might come to unanswerable challenges to their sacred cow dogma.
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When invited to look, listen and think, they run away scared.
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So it speaks for itself, what they do is what they are.
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All they have to offer is the same hackneyed nonsense, each point of which I have refuted with simple statements and observations, but in reply to each refutation (if they mention it at all) they return with a silly smiley or a platitude of incredulity, such as "the horizon always rises to the level of the observer" (which is patently false, and I have proved its falsehood for all to see, but the flat-earthers cannot refrain from denying the fact).
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But they selectively ignore the things that are most annoying to them, such as my most recent dozen posts on this thread, because they have no intelligent response.
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The moon is now in its gibbous crescent phase, during which time its angle of repose is dramatically steep in the early evening, at a negative 30 degrees from the vertical. Only past midnight does it reach zero degrees (which the Last Quarter moon had from the moment of sunset), and from there it gradually repeats the angles of repose that we saw before and after the First Quarter moon: from 90 degrees receding sequentially to 45 and ultimately to 35 degrees as the moon sets in the east.
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This, again, proves to us that the direction from which the sun is shining on the waning crescent moon in the early hours of the morning is identical to the direction from which the sun is shining on the waxing crescent moon in the late hours of night: the sun shines on the moon at these times from directly below our feet and at a tremendously long distance, not from above the surface of the earth and a very nearby distance.
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Flat earthers run with terror from such observations and simple logic, because they're afraid of the truth.
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Simple.
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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #624 on:** May 06, 2017, 07:03:00 PM »

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I'm surprised that there have been no flat-earthers asking me why I'm counting on the moon for all this observation and commentary.
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They must be thinking that question, but they must equally be too scared to ask the question, perhaps because they know I'll have an answer for them that is a very bitter pill for them to swallow.
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They would not be wrong, for once. ???
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