Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 93137 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #60 on:** January 09, 2017, 04:41:19 PM »

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No, the translator and you lose...

Oh, so you're saying St. Jerome loses.

You're saying the Catholic Church, who wrote the Bible and canonically approved the Douay Rheims translation (the very first mass-produced English translation from the Vulgate), loses.

What's this I hear a comin' ??..............BOOM !!....YOU lose, again.

Orbis means circle. He did not translate it into English.

Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are, geometrically, circular and spherical. It's a matter of semantics.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth if flat.

happenby · « **Reply #61 on:** January 09, 2017, 04:42:43 PM »

Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

Much of the text of the 1582/1610 bible employed a densely latinate vocabulary, to the extent of being in places unreadable. Consequently, this translation was replaced by a revision undertaken by bishop Richard Challoner; the New Testament in three editions 1749, 1750, and 1752; the Old Testament (minus the Vulgate deuterocanonical), in 1750. Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

happenby · « **Reply #62 on:** January 09, 2017, 04:46:55 PM »

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No, the translator and you lose...

Oh, so you're saying St. Jerome loses.

You're saying the Catholic Church, who wrote the Bible and canonically approved the Douay Rheims translation (the very first mass-produced English translation from the Vulgate), loses.

What's this I hear a comin' ??..............BOOM !!....YOU lose, again.

Orbis means circle. He did not translate it into English.

Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are, geometrically, circular and spherical. It's a matter of semantics.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth if flat.

Nope. Even back to the Greek, there are clear translations for all these words.

http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/books/genesis/genesis1_circleearth.htm
The phrase of Isaiah 40:22, "the circle of the earth" is very controversial. There are five main views of this phrase. The first interpretation says that the word "circle" means "sphere" indicating that the earth is a sphere. This view seems most unlikely since we have all ready seen that the Hebrew word gh means "circle," and it seems very remote that it means "sphere" because of the context, and there is a better Hebrew word for "sphere," rwd. In Isaiah 22:18 the word rwd is translated "ball." If the LXX translators understood gh as "sphere," they would have used the Greek word sfairoeides. Plugging the meaning of "sphere" into every passage that gh occurs will result in awkward interpretations.

happenby · « **Reply #63 on:** January 09, 2017, 04:50:52 PM »

The real Douay Rheims is available here:
http://www.realdouayrheims.com/

Other information on the changes made by Challoner and Haydock
http://www.bible-researcher.com/challoner.html

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/tracts/douayrheims.html which is from http://www.newmanreader.org/index.html

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #64 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:07:02 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Hebrew & Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #65 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:11:54 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

This is the globe the Douay Rheims is referring to.

happenby · « **Reply #66 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:14:54 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

Sadly your argument falls because the translations prove my point. It also shows Challoner and Haycock selectively changed the translation of orbis to suit their own indoctrination. The proof is in the translation itself.

Scripture, Church Fathers and science all prove flat earth to those who will listen.

happenby · « **Reply #67 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:17:37 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

This is the globe the Douay Rheims is referring to.[/siz

Indeed, this picture is found in many, many bibles.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #68 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:24:35 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

Sadly your argument falls because the translations prove my point. It also shows Challoner and Haycock selectively changed the translation of orbis to suit their own indoctrination. The proof is in the translation itself.

Scripture, Church Fathers and science all prove flat earth to those who will listen.

Wrong, again. You keep ignoring the fact that the Bible NEVER mentioned the word "flat" to describe the shape of the earth.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #69 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:28:33 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

This is the globe the Douay Rheims is referring to.

I already refuted your illustration, but you ignored it. Here is what I said:

You're saying Our Lady of La Salette is wrong. She can't be wrong.

It makes absolutely no sense to refer to these "globes" as having earthquakes when, according to your "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively. Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

Perhaps, you have a reading comprehension problem. You can't understand what Our Lady is stating.

The logic is clear, you and other trads adhering to FlatTardology have been completely destroyed.

You lose, again.

happenby · « **Reply #70 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:33:41 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

Sadly your argument falls because the translations prove my point. It also shows Challoner and Haycock selectively changed the translation of orbis to suit their own indoctrination. The proof is in the translation itself.

Scripture, Church Fathers and science all prove flat earth to those who will listen.

Wrong, again. You keep ignoring the fact that the Bible NEVER mentioned the word "flat" to describe the shape of the earth.

Scriptures descriptions of flat earth are incapatible with a globe.

happenby · « **Reply #71 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:40:19 PM »

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Quote from: happenby
Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

This is the globe the Douay Rheims is referring to.

I already refuted your illustration, but you ignored it. Here is what I said:

You're saying Our Lady of La Salette is wrong. She can't be wrong.

It makes absolutely no sense to refer to these "globes" as having earthquakes when, according to your "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively. Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

Perhaps, you have a reading comprehension problem. You can't understand what Our Lady is stating.

The logic is clear, you and other trads adhering to FlatTardology have been completely destroyed.

You lose, again.

Again, orbis does not translate to globe. The problem is in the translation. Perhaps *you* have a reading comprehension problem. Besides, all evidence, scientific, empirical, by the senses, by the Church Fathers, by scripture, and from the Church Herself teach the earth is flat. You have to quit parroting the false, and study.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #72 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:41:34 PM »

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Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

Sadly your argument falls because the translations prove my point. It also shows Challoner and Haycock selectively changed the translation of orbis to suit their own indoctrination. The proof is in the translation itself.

Scripture, Church Fathers and science all prove flat earth to those who will listen.

Wrong, again. You keep ignoring the fact that the Bible NEVER mentioned the word "flat" to describe the shape of the earth.

Scriptures descriptions of flat earth are incapatible with a globe.

According to you.

Why don't you post the Hebrew and Greek word for "flat"? Compare it with "circle". It seems the writers of Scripture would use the more direct and clear adjective "flat" to describe the earth, if they were intending to say the earth is flat.

You also ignore the logic behind what is said by Our Lady, as I twice mentioned earlier.

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Again, orbis does not translate to globe. The problem is in the translation.

This isn't a refutation. "Orbis" certainly doesn't translate to "flat".

happenby · « **Reply #73 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:50:53 PM »

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Quote from: Croix de Fer
Quote from: happenby
Quote from: Croix de Fer
Quote from: happenby
Very interesting...I checked Wiki, and even they know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

From Wikipedia

[...] Although retaining the title Douay–Rheims Bible, the Challoner revision was a new version, tending to take as its base text the King James Bible[4]

Your argument falls flat on its face because the Douay Rheims says "globe" in Isaias 40:22, but the KJV says "circle".

Wiki is Jєω-owned and run, so they're not the most credible source of information. I literally saw Wiki lower the death toll of Ukrainian Christians killed in the Holodomor h0Ɩ0cαųst 3 times to less than half of their initial stated number. Wiki is sorta like Snopes. It has an agenda.

Again, NOWHERE in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Nowhere. You can keep posting links and play mental gymnastics with Greek translations of "circle" all you want, but the word "flat" isn't mentioned to describe the earth.

You lose, again.

Sadly your argument falls because the translations prove my point. It also shows Challoner and Haycock selectively changed the translation of orbis to suit their own indoctrination. The proof is in the translation itself.

Scripture, Church Fathers and science all prove flat earth to those who will listen.

Wrong, again. You keep ignoring the fact that the Bible NEVER mentioned the word "flat" to describe the shape of the earth.

Scriptures descriptions of flat earth are incapatible with a globe.

According to you.

Why don't you post the Hebrew and Greek word for "flat"? Compare it with "circle". It seems the writers of Scripture would use the more direct and clear adjective "flat" to describe the earth, if they were intending to say the earth is flat.

You also ignore the logic behind what is said by Our Lady, as I twice mentioned earlier.

There is an answer for Our Lady of LaSalette who is showing the entirety of creation; heaven, flat earth in between, and hell, which together form a globe. The terrain we live on, terra firma, is flat. I have provided many proofs you ignored them. I have ignored nothing. I have explanations, proofs backed by the Church, by science, etc. You have only your own limited interpretation. You have provided nothing except the contrary position. That's no way to deal with a discussion on Church teaching. Get some info. Repeating pagan teachings over and over again without references won't cut it.

happenby · « **Reply #74 on:** January 09, 2017, 05:56:01 PM »

So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.