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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #480 on: March 26, 2017, 11:42:59 AM »
Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects. Canals, railways, bridges and tunnels for example are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles without any allowance for curvature.


No engineer has claimed that what they do are perfectly horizontal for miles.

The most naturally horizontal surface is a frozen body of water extending hundreds of miles, and that which is seen with a telescope that far away goes further and further below the horizon.

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #481 on: March 26, 2017, 02:24:17 PM »
You have made a number of typos, I guess. But I'm presuming they were accidental. Maybe that's a mistake of my own, I don't know.

In any event, the guy you refer to in the video who claims to be an "engineer" is faking it because all engineers know there are two grades or degrees of surveying, the lower one of which does not consider the curvature of the earth because it's too small. The higher one deals with larger distances like the perimeter of a state or a national park or the southwest USA or an entire continent, and that HAS to consider the curvature or else they'll have incorrect data. 

In California, since the state is so large north and south, there are three benchmarks for real estate because if they used only one the error would be too much for accuracy of property lines. If the earth were flat, they would not need more than one benchmark for real estate property descriptions. Every deed of property in Calif. has on it the name of the benchmark used in the description.

I know it is of no use, but AGAIN, if you could please try (I know it's so hard for you) to refrain from personal insult, it would be a big help. But on second thought, go ahead and continue to post how you think I must look or how I must think or how I must feel, or why I've done something or not in your estimation, because that way you expose your own character for all to see.

But if you'd like to make a case for yourself, then measure the angle between the sun and moon at the next quarter moon, which will be on April 3rd, as the video I posted above describes. Come back here, if you are capable that is, and post what your measurement was. Take your measurement in the late afternoon about a half hour before sunset, when you'll find the moon directly overhead and slightly to the north. Let's see if you can do something constructive for a change, instead of just complaining as if you were a woman.

I forgot to correct one very important mistake of Neil.

If you actually listen to the interview, you will hear that the engineer talks PRECISELY about the two types of surveys.

The smaller surveys should take into account the curvature but don't. Which is the problem.

The larger surveys are very rare.

Neil, you really have exposed yourself now. Calling it a fake, when you have not even listened to it, is bad, even for you.


Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #482 on: March 26, 2017, 03:15:27 PM »
In this 4-minute video, at 0:40 +, they show a picture of how a triangle looks on the globe when it has three 90-degree interior angles. The top angle is at the north pole, and the lower two are at the equator: the Prime Meridian north of the equator and the 90 deg. west meridian north of the equator, respectively. In this map, GHA = 8 hours (one fourth of 24 hours -- if you don't know what GHA means then watch the last 5 videos below). The reason this triangle can have greater than 180 deg. total for its interior angles (which is the rule for triangles on a flat plane, such as "flat" earth) is that the figure occurs on the surface of a sphere, and this additional total degrees of the interior angles is due to spherical excess. As applied in the real world, when traveling at a right angle from the equator to the north pole along the Prime Meridian, one moves in a straight line ahead, even while gradually curving "downward" following the curvature of the earth. When traveling west from the Prime Meridian to the 90th meridian, likewise, one need not change compass direction due west, but moves straight ahead (due west) while necessarily curving "downward" following the curvature of the earth.

To pronounce the obvious, on a "flat" earth model, moving north along each of the two meridians one would not be turning but going straight ahead, however, when moving from the Prime Meridian to the 90th along the equator, one would be continually turning right because on the "flat" earth model, the equator is curved. Needless to say, any navigator knows that traveling thusly west on the equator does not require turning at all, but one only needs to maintain a dead-ahead rudder while he moves toward the horizon straight ahead.

This video gives a brief overview of what a navigator is doing when he fills out a Sight Reduction Form (shown at the end of the video at 3:37):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbKcaTimMI&feature=youtu.be

None of this material makes any sense if one presumes the earth is flat.

Any so-called navigator who disagrees with these techniques is no navigator at all, but a fraud.  It might be possible to "get by," learning how to use a computer and mechanically putting in data as needed without understanding what the computer is doing with the data, but that's not what true navigators are supposed to be doing -- AND IF caught without access to a computer, they would be entirely lost as to how to navigate manually.

And their passengers would likely die. Even if they were to survive, such so-called navigators would lose their job that way, being exposed for the frauds they are.

This video is by a veteran military navigator who actually understands the theory behind what he was doing on the job:



Here is a set of 4 videos (three by one source and one by another) that covers the basics of navigation by air or by sea, which can be used for manual computation or with the help of a computer, but without GPS (Global Position Satellite). This is how sailors have been navigating for the past 4 centuries, and it is still used today, when one does not avail access to GPS or in an emergency when the GPS is for whatever reason inoperable.

Celestial Navigation part 1 CELESTIAL COORDINATE SYSTEM:



(Note: these first 3 videos attempt to say that the earth really spins on its axis, however, for simplicity they presume the earth to be stationary "like ancient man believed" and conduct their calculations accordingly. It is noteworthy that when JPL computes the trajectory of a rocket taking off, they too presume the earth is stationary. Curious, eh?)

Celestial Navigation part 2 HORIZON COORDINATE SYSTEM:



Celestial navigation part 3, INTERCEPT method:



This video is over an hour long, but starting at 55 minutes, it shows application in great detail of the previous 3 videos that were very abbreviated:



Finally, if anyone gets this far and actually wants to know the theory behind spherical excess, the following video provides a general formula in the context of a spherical triangle (which is defined as the interior shape bounded by three great circles) of any size on a sphere of given radius:




Northern hemisphere in the polar aspect of Ginzburg's second modified azimuthal projection
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Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #483 on: March 26, 2017, 03:28:57 PM »
I forgot to correct one very important mistake of Neil.

If you actually listen to the interview, you will hear that the engineer talks PRECISELY about the two types of surveys.

The smaller surveys should take into account the curvature but don't. Which is the problem.

The larger surveys are very rare.

Neil, you really have exposed yourself now. Calling it a fake, when you have not even listened to it, is bad, even for you.
I heard the interview. The two types of surveys are used for two types of measurement, large scale and small scale. Most surveys are small scale because that's what most demand for surveys require. Large scale surveys are rare because they are not needed as often, obviously. 
But as is typical of your posts, you are ignoring the challenge I have given you.
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If you'd like to make a case for yourself, then measure the angle between the sun and moon at the next quarter moon, which will be on April 3rd, as the video I posted above describes. Come back here, if you are capable that is, and post what your measurement was. Take your measurement in the late afternoon about a half hour before sunset, when you'll find the moon directly overhead and slightly to the north. Let's see if you can do something constructive for a change, instead of just complaining as if you were a woman.
Do you understand? Or not? 
Measure the angle between the sun and moon that you see in the sky on April 3rd.
You have already missed your chance to see where the sun rises and sets on the spring equinox. So you'll have to wait for the autumn equinox for your next chance -- which you'll no doubt miss as well, because you don't want to know the truth, do you.

Re: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat
« Reply #484 on: March 26, 2017, 03:55:35 PM »

No engineer has claimed that what they do are perfectly horizontal for miles.

The most naturally horizontal surface is a frozen body of water extending hundreds of miles, and that which is seen with a telescope that far away goes further and further below the horizon.
I used to think that too -- "below the horizon." Now I realize that I was brainwashed by the Kabbalasitic - Freemasonic NASA/ fake science/ fake media/ fake education system. Just as two parallel lines will APPEAR to merge in the distance, or a car driving down the two parallel lines will appear in disappear -- both are due only to the distance and perspective.