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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2017, 05:51:08 AM »
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    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..


    Here is an illustration of the globe of the flat earth the above passages are referring to.   :wink:

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    Wrong analysis and erred illustration.


    Obviously if you believe that the earth is curved like a ball, you will think it is wrong. But sadly for you there is no curvature on the earth. What we know of it is flat. As for what is beyond, Sacred scripture coupled with human historical tradition, tells us more. And it is from these that this concept of the dome above and dome below come from.


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    « Reply #46 on: January 09, 2017, 11:10:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: Croix de Fer
    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..



    Of interest on this matter is the statue of the Child of Prague. ‘Devotion to this statue began in the year 1556 when Maria Manriquez de Lara brought the image of the infant Jesus, a family heirloom, to Czechoslovakia from Spain on her marriage to Vratislav of Pernstyn. It is housed now in the church of Our Lady of Victory in Prague and is an object of veneration in many other countries.’ I cannot post pictures but it has the child Jesus holding the globe of the earth held steady in his hands.

    It seems then this statue is a fake if the earth is flat, an image that has deceived faithful Catholics for over 450 years.
         


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    « Reply #47 on: January 09, 2017, 12:09:09 PM »
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    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..



    Of interest on this matter is the statue of the Child of Prague. ‘Devotion to this statue began in the year 1556 when Maria Manriquez de Lara brought the image of the infant Jesus, a family heirloom, to Czechoslovakia from Spain on her marriage to Vratislav of Pernstyn. It is housed now in the church of Our Lady of Victory in Prague and is an object of veneration in many other countries.’ I cannot post pictures but it has the child Jesus holding the globe of the earth held steady in his hands.

    It seems then this statue is a fake if the earth is flat, an image that has deceived faithful Catholics for over 450 years.
         


    Did you not read the preceding posts?

    The Child of Prague does not prove at all that the earth is round. This issue has been addressed multiple times. Sphere's are symbolic of unity and perfection, and the image posted above represents the creation in it's entirety.

    It is perfectly conformable to the flat earth, but if you have a mind which wants desperately to believe in the round earth, despite the evidence, then you will naturally find an excuse.

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    « Reply #48 on: January 09, 2017, 12:18:07 PM »
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    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..



    Of interest on this matter is the statue of the Child of Prague. ‘Devotion to this statue began in the year 1556 when Maria Manriquez de Lara brought the image of the infant Jesus, a family heirloom, to Czechoslovakia from Spain on her marriage to Vratislav of Pernstyn. It is housed now in the church of Our Lady of Victory in Prague and is an object of veneration in many other countries.’ I cannot post pictures but it has the child Jesus holding the globe of the earth held steady in his hands.

    It seems then this statue is a fake if the earth is flat, an image that has deceived faithful Catholics for over 450 years.
         


    The statue of the Child of Prague represents the globe of the flat earth in the illustration below.

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    « Reply #49 on: January 09, 2017, 12:47:33 PM »
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    As an example of keeping some decorum alive in the discussion, this guy seems to show some promise. He's just getting started so he might have a lot more to offer in the future:

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/NKiI5k-_iaU[/youtube]


    I think it's noteworthy that none of the Flat-earthers have a reply to the video I posted, above.



    Hi Neil, interesting video. Obviously this know all is a heliocentrist. Pity this young man does not practive what he preaches about examining such theories.. At the 8th minute he tells us Einstein has been proven right many times. Recently I read a paper article saying Santa Claus used Einstein's relativity to get around the world and down chimneys. If he travels at the speed of light he will shrink and thus get down the narrow tube.Maybe someone woukld ask him to give his followers the proofs he asserts.

    ‘The third and most important reason is that he [Einstein and his theories of relativity] provides another opportunity to show up the fallacy of the general belief that modern science, in every field but perhaps especially in mathematics and physics, is so complicated that it cannot be understood by the non-specialist, and that the layman has no choice but to rely on the words of experts with superior intelligence and training. Stripped of its disguises, which as with other science and elite professions are mostly jargon and bluff, Relativity, whether Special Theory [STR] or General Theory [GTR], involves no major challenge to the intellect in order to be understood. [Einstein’s] Relativity is not merely nonsense, it is simple nonsense; and the only difficulty in seeing this lies in bringing oneself to believe it possible that anything so generally accepted by so many intelligent people really can be such obvious nonsense.’ --- N.M. Gwynne: Einstein and Modern Physics, p.7.


    Proofs for Einstein’s Relativity
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    The Bending of Starlight Sham

    A camera was set up; steady as a rock. Photographs of the sky were taken just before the eclipse. Shortly afterwards the sun and moon converged, leaving all in darkness. A second series of photographs were taken. Then it was back to the laboratory for development and comparisons. There were 43 photographic plates in all; the Sobral team took 27 and the Principe team took 16. Fifteen of these, however, were discarded because they were clouded, no use for their purpose. The conclusion, well first let us see the propaganda:

    ‘Eddington found that light rays which had left the surface of stars thousands of years ago [says who?] and had been bent by the curved space near the Sun only eight minutes previously, passed through the lens and exposed the photograph plates just where Einstein said they would. One of the most remarkable experiments in scientific history had been completed. The results of the eclipse expedition were presented by the Astronomer Royal at a meeting of the Royal Society on 6th November 1919 [announcing the observers had confirmed Einstein’s theory], and Einstein became a national hero overnight. Headlines in the New York Times suggested that a new Universe had been discovered… and this time the newspaper hype was not exaggerated. A world weary from war embraced the quiet and eccentric scientist, sitting in his study in Berlin with a pencil and pad, who had figured out the great plan of the Almighty for the entire Universe.’ ---J.P. McEvoy and O. Zarate:  Introducing Stephen  Hawking, Icon Books UK, pp.43-44.

    So says the book ‘Introducing Stephen Hawking,’ filling yet another generation full of bunk. Keep on reading however, and we find the following tucked into the corner of the next page: ‘Many critics said the results were inconclusive, that the possibility of error in the star measurements was too great, so the scepticism continued.’ But note ‘Einstein became a national hero’ anyway, and the New York Times did suggest ‘that a new Universe had been discovered.’ ---  
         If the theory is true, then all the stars positioned near the sun should have been displaced towards the sun. They were not. The stars in fact were displaced in the photographs in every conceivable direction, this way, that way, and every which way, but a long way from showing Einstein’s GTR to be true.
         
    ‘To make the observations come out to support Einstein, Eddington and the others took the Sobral 4-inch results as the main findings and used the two Principe plates as supporting evidence while ignoring the 18 plates taken by the Sobral astrographic… On 6th Nov. 1919, Sir Joseph Thomson, the President of the Royal Society, chaired a meeting at which he said: “It is difficult for the audience to weigh fully the meaning of the figures that have been put before us, but the Astronomer Royal and Professor Eddington have studied the material carefully, and they regard the evidence as decisively in favour of the larger value for the displacement.” --- H. Collins and T. Pinch: The Golem, p.51, and quoting J. Earman, and C. Glymour, ‘Relativity and Eclipses: The British Eclipse Expedition of 1919 and their Predecessors,’ Historical Studies in the Physical Sciences, 11 (1), 49-85.  

    Ah yes, the Masonic founded Royal Society was in full flow then, doing what it was established to do, dictate what ‘science’ the world was to believe, and what it was to ignore. They approved Newton’s eureka mind-conclusions and then Einstein’s ‘proofs.’ ‘The results of the measurements confirmed the theory in a thoroughly satisfactory manner,’ wrote Einstein in his paper already quoted.

    Dr Arthur Lynch, the distinguished mathematician, let the cat out of the bag:

    ‘The results of the observations are shown on a chart, by a series of dots, and by tracing connections between these dots it is possible to obtain a “curve” from which the law of deviation is inferred. But the actual charts show only an irregular group of dots, through which, if it be possible to draw a curve that seems to confirm the theory of Relativity, it is equally possible to draw a curve which runs counter to the theory. Neither curve has any justification.’

    And if that is not enough to show a ‘scientific’ farce, Professor Charles Lane Poor really spilled the beans on the tricksters:

    ‘The table showing displacement of individual stars shows that on average the observed deflection, as given by the British astronomers, differ by 19% from the calculated Einstein value. In the place of two stars the agreement between theory and observation is very nearly perfect… in other cases however, the differences range from 11% to 60% [from the calculated Einstein value]. The diagrams show clearly that the observed displacements of the stars do not agree in direction with the predicted Einstein effect. This point was nowhere mentioned in the report… But, after the measurements of the plates became available for study, several investigators called attention to this fact of a radial disagreement in direction between the observed and the predicted displacements.’--- C.L. Poor: Gravitation V Relativity, pp.218-226.

    Professor Poor then goes on to tell us that the Einsteinian relativists tried to claim the differences between the predicted and observed shifts are no greater than should be expected. Consequently, ‘This very question was investigated by Dr Henry Davies Russell, of Princeton University, a most ardent upholder of relativity theory.’ After ‘an exhaustive examination’ he found the differences are real, and are contradictory.

    ‘The results given in the Report for the observations are the means (average) of the radial components (direction towards or away from the sun) only, nothing whatever being given to the directions in which the actual displacements took place. The Einstein theory requires a deflection, not only of a certain definite component, but also in a certain observed direction. To discuss the amount of the observed deflection is to discuss only one-half of the whole question and the less important half at that. The observed deflection might agree exactly with the predicted amount, but, if it were in the wrong direction, it would disprove, not prove, the Relativity theory. You cannot reach Washington from New York by travelling south, even if you do go the requisite number of miles.’ --- Gravitation v Relativity

    But the Royal Society, as we have already seen, has long been taking homo consensus to Washington from New York travelling south, west and east.

    ‘Now the diagrams of the seven best plates, the seven taken at Sobral with the 4-inch camera, show clearly and definitely that the observed deflections are not in the directions required by the Einstein theory… The relativists either totally disregard these discordances, or invoke the heating effect of the sun to distort the vision by just the proper amount to explain them away.’

    ‘Further… there are other perfectly possible explanations of a deflection of a ray of light; explanations based on every-day, common-place grounds. Abnormal refraction in the earth’s atmosphere is one; refraction of the solar envelope is another… Such is the evidence, and are the observations, which according to Einstein, “confirm the theory in a thoroughly satisfactory manner.’--- Gravitation V Relativity.

    Finally, Walter van der Kamp showed that Einstein's relative heliocentrism can be shown to be wrong and that the only way to interpret stellar aberration is a geocentric way.


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    « Reply #50 on: January 09, 2017, 12:50:17 PM »
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  • "The statue of the Child of Prague represents the globe of the flat earth."

    Oh, I see, then again it could represent a sandwich or even a bowl of soup.

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    « Reply #51 on: January 09, 2017, 02:38:07 PM »
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    If you travel east in a linear path without stopping, you will eventually end up in the same spot from where you departed because the earth is a globe, not flat.



    You know you can do this on a flat earth, right?

    Here's my route sketched out on a FE map.

    Depart Los Angeles, sail east to Japan, past the Phillipines, thru the Straits of Malacca, across the Indian Ocean to the Horn of Africa, up the Suez Canal, across the Mediterranean, thru the Strait of Gibraltar, across the Atlantic, thru the Panama Canal, back to LA.


    No, you can't.

    That's not an eastward linear path. It's a deviation from said path based on your false premise that all pilots are involved in a grand conspiracy to withhold knowledge that the earth is "flat".

    According to your "flat earth" theory, if a person truly did travel, nonstop, eastward in linear path, he would eventually fall off an unknown cliff or be repelled by some gigantic, unknown magnetic force keeping him on the "flat earth".

    You lose, again.
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    « Reply #52 on: January 09, 2017, 02:48:01 PM »
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    "The statue of the Child of Prague represents the globe of the flat earth."

    Oh, I see, then again it could represent a sandwich or even a bowl of soup.



    “We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth's circuмference will represent the figure of a perfect globe..." --Bede the Venerable



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    « Reply #53 on: January 09, 2017, 02:49:55 PM »
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    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..


    Here is an illustration of the globe of the flat earth the above passages are referring to.   :wink:

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    Wrong analysis and erred illustration.


     And it is from these that this concept of the dome above and dome below come from.


    Wrong analysis.

    You're saying Our Lady of La Salette is wrong. She can't be wrong.

    It makes absolutely no sense to refer to these "globes" as having earthquakes when, according to your "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively. Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

    Perhaps, you have a reading comprehension problem. You can't understand what Our Lady is stating.

    Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are circular and spherical in nature. It's a matter of semantics. Moreover, Isaias 40:22 specifically says "globe" in the true Bible (Douay Rheims). You're only seeing what you want to see.

    You lose, again.

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    « Reply #54 on: January 09, 2017, 02:59:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: Croix de Fer
    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..



    Interestingly, the word orbis, that some translate "globe" simply does not translate to "globe".  Not any more than disc translates to ball.  

    http://browse.dict.cc/latin-english/orbis.html

    http://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/latin-word-3b58f269f20cb8a0576db4c5547ab969c8fd090f.html

    http://www.majstro.com/dictionaries/Latin-English/orbis

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/orbis

    Whoever used "globe" for translation must have been the product of indoctrination. Or worse, an infiltrator who wanted to disturb the truth.  Anyone who desires to know the truth will obtain an unsullied 1610 version of the Catholic Douay and not the more updated ones for truth and accuracy in this matter.


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    « Reply #55 on: January 09, 2017, 03:02:18 PM »
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    If you travel east in a linear path without stopping, you will eventually end up in the same spot from where you departed because the earth is a globe, not flat.



    You know you can do this on a flat earth, right?

    Here's my route sketched out on a FE map.

    Depart Los Angeles, sail east to Japan, past the Phillipines, thru the Straits of Malacca, across the Indian Ocean to the Horn of Africa, up the Suez Canal, across the Mediterranean, thru the Strait of Gibraltar, across the Atlantic, thru the Panama Canal, back to LA.


    No, you can't.

    That's not an eastward linear path. It's a deviation from said path based on your false premise that all pilots are involved in a grand conspiracy to withhold knowledge that the earth is "flat".

    According to your "flat earth" theory, if a person truly did travel, nonstop, eastward in linear path, he would eventually fall off an unknown cliff or be repelled by some gigantic, unknown magnetic force keeping him on the "flat earth".

    You lose, again.


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    « Reply #56 on: January 09, 2017, 03:03:42 PM »
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    Isaias 40:22 (Douay Rheims)
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



    Our Lady of La Salette
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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..


    Here is an illustration of the globe of the flat earth the above passages are referring to.   :wink:

    [...]




    Wrong analysis and erred illustration.


     And it is from these that this concept of the dome above and dome below come from.


    Wrong analysis.

    You're saying Our Lady of La Salette is wrong. She can't be wrong.

    It makes absolutely no sense to refer to these "globes" as having earthquakes when, according to your "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively. Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

    Perhaps, you have a reading comprehension problem. You can't understand what Our Lady is stating.

    Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are circular and spherical in nature. It's a matter of semantics. Moreover, Isaias 40:22 specifically says "globe" in the true Bible (Douay Rheims). You're only seeing what you want to see.

    You lose, again.



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    « Reply #57 on: January 09, 2017, 03:07:46 PM »
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    It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.



    Our Lady of La Salette
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    Water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and terrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc..


    Here is an illustration of the globe of the flat earth the above passages are referring to.   :wink:

    [...]




    Wrong analysis and erred illustration.


     And it is from these that this concept of the dome above and dome below come from.


    Wrong analysis.

    You're saying Our Lady of La Salette is wrong. She can't be wrong.

    It makes absolutely no sense to refer to these "globes" as having earthquakes when, according to your "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively. Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

    Perhaps, you have a reading comprehension problem. You can't understand what Our Lady is stating.

    Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is flat. Circles can be globes, too. It's true circles can be flat, but globes are circular and spherical in nature. It's a matter of semantics. Moreover, Isaias 40:22 specifically says "globe" in the true Bible (Douay Rheims). You're only seeing what you want to see.

    You lose, again.



    No, the translator and you lose... if you choose not to know.  Globe is never translated from the Latin from 'orbis' as has been repeated elsewhere. Easily proven. The word used in scripture Latin text is 'orbis', circle in English, so whatever comes down from the false translations is error.  Heliocentrism is that big of a lie that the perpetrators were relentless in their pursuit of burying the truth and very careful to acquire agents along the way that served the purpose of promoting and supporting their lies about scripture and creation.


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    « Reply #58 on: January 09, 2017, 03:53:40 PM »
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    No, the translator and you lose...


    Oh, so you're saying St. Jerome loses.

    You're saying the Catholic Church, who wrote the Bible and canonically approved the Douay Rheims translation (the very first mass-produced English translation from the Vulgate), loses.

    What's this I hear a comin' ??..............BOOM !!....YOU lose, again.  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #59 on: January 09, 2017, 04:32:57 PM »
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    No, the translator and you lose...


    Oh, so you're saying St. Jerome loses.

    You're saying the Catholic Church, who wrote the Bible and canonically approved the Douay Rheims translation (the very first mass-produced English translation from the Vulgate), loses.

    What's this I hear a comin' ??..............BOOM !!....YOU lose, again.  :laugh1:


    St. Jerome transcribed it in Latin.  He used the word "orbis".  Orbis means circle.  He did not translate it into English.  Latter English translations are not true to the original Douay. The original Douay of 1600's is the true translation.  Latter editions underwent many changes.  It would help if you could cover this information before attempting to 'boom' anyone.