Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 236351 times)

noOneImportant · « **Reply #285 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:28:45 PM »

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I have seen the flat-earth horizon with my very own eyes and it exactley the same as in the pictures I posted of the flat-horizon.

Unless you have laser eyes that can detect curvature of a few tenths of a degree, or you have been a few hundred thousand feet up in the air, no you haven't.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #286 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:29:39 PM »

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But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

There is no curvature to the earth.

Those are all panoramic shots, and by their nature, would not exhibit any curve.

Panoramic shots are designed to work in this way, so these shots in and of themselves do not prove a flat earth, nor do they disprove a globe earth.

If you are going to claim that NASA's photos of the globe earth are fake, then you cannot use photos that have been stitched together by computer software to claim the earth is flat.

That is illogical.

Ok, do show, anything at all, that proves curve commensurate with a 24,000 mile ball. Your own personal tests, someone else's tests, photos, whatever. Please only untouched, non cgi, not photoshopped evidence. But I'll take anything at all.

Just to save you time and effort if you were to try, let me admit to you that no one to date has produced this evidence and I've been doing flat earth for almost 10 years now. Why? Because they know it doesn't exist. NASA provides glorious photoshops of all sorts of things in outer space, yet not one true video of the rotating earth. Seriously? Not one single photo of the ball earth. NOT ONE!!! BY NASA'S OWN ADMISSION! So, please explain to me where is your evidence that earth is a ball?

Let me guess, you think earth is a ball...

1. Because NASA says so.
2. Because somebody says a shadow on the moon is curved.
3. Because teachers said so.
4. Because somebody said that flat earth is stupid.
5. Because everybody else says its true.
6. Because somebody says that the stars and sun and moon wouldn't work on flat earth.
7. Because somebody said ships disappear over the horizon.
8. Because somebody said astronauts saw it.

Wow. 100% of heliocentrism theory held by individuals is unsubstantiated, undocuмented, unphotographed, untenable HEARSAY! I really want to understand why good Catholics maintain heliocentric theory, when the Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism? Scripture only describes a flat immovable earth. Church Fathers condemned heliocentric theory, including sphericity of earth, based on scripture, yet Catholics still have the nerve to hold this blatantly condemned proposition.

Maybe you could explain that to me. I really don't get it. What are people holding on to?

They love Pope Francis more than Catholic Tradition.

happenby · « **Reply #287 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:30:32 PM »

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Quote from: Truth is Eternal
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Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Neil Obstat

But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

There is no curvature to the earth.

I made a very long post somewhere in one of the 30 threads on this topic about conclusions that can and can't be drawn from horizon pictures like these. The long and the short of it is that to actual get measurable curvature*, you have to be at around 30,000 feet, have at least 60 degrees field of view, and have be careful to minimize lens distortion**. Those pictures prove nothing, and parroting statements while reposting them over and over isn't an argument that will convince a rational human being.

tl;dr - photographs of the "flat" horizon are rarely, if ever, useful in these arguments. Also pictures are easy to manipulate, so there's that to worry about as well.

* based on a earth with 4k mile radius, as per the "globe model".

** Lens distortion is a real issue, because lenses are round, so you can actually take a photograph of a flat line and have it be curved up, curved down, or flat, depending on how careful you are. Likewise, you can take a picture of a curved surface and distort that curvature so it isn't noticeable.

So you say. In fact, a 360 panoramic view from 10,000 ft should give a clue. Still you say you don't get it. Ok. Let's try something different. Water in my glass, in my pool, in the lake behind my house. It's no more or less curved than the ocean. Why? Because water surface remains flat at rest. Water has never stuck to a curved outside surface of a ball, ever. Only heliocentric theorists believe such nonsense and then refrain from providing evidence for it. For Catholics, believing that is really not an option because heliocentrism has been condemned by the Church, by scripture, by saints, by popes. Perhaps a long consideration about the properties of water and the church's condemnation will clear things up for you.

noOneImportant · « **Reply #288 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:32:13 PM »

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So you say. In fact, a 360 panoramic view from 10,000 ft should give a clue. Still you say you don't get it. Ok. Let's try something different. Water in my glass, in my pool, in the lake behind my house. It's no more or less curved than the ocean. Why? Because water surface remains flat at rest. Water has never stuck to a curved outside surface of a ball, ever. Only heliocentric theorists believe such nonsense and then refrain from providing evidence for it. For Catholics, believing that is really not an option because heliocentrism has been condemned by the Church, by scripture, by saints, by popes. Perhaps a long consideration about the properties of water and the church's condemnation will clear things up for you.

I did the math on the surface of a pool in a previous thread as well. The center of the pool is something like 1/20,000th of an inch higher than the ends due to the earth's curvature. Good luck measuring that.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #289 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:33:43 PM »

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So you say. In fact, a 360 panoramic view from 10,000 ft should give a clue. Still you say you don't get it. Ok. Let's try something different. Water in my glass, in my pool, in the lake behind my house. It's no more or less curved than the ocean. Why? Because water surface remains flat at rest. Water has never stuck to a curved outside surface of a ball, ever. Only heliocentric theorists believe such nonsense and then refrain from providing evidence for it. For Catholics, believing that is really not an option because heliocentrism has been condemned by the Church, by scripture, by saints, by popes. Perhaps a long consideration about the properties of water and the church's condemnation will clear things up for you.

I did the math on the surface of a pool in a previous thread as well. The center of the pool is something like 1/20,000th of an inch higher than the ends due to the earth's curvature. Good luck measuring that.

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

happenby · « **Reply #290 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:37:03 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

Quote from: happenby
Quote from: ManuelChavez
Quote from: Truth is Eternal
Quote from: noOneImportant
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Neil Obstat

But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

There is no curvature to the earth.

Those are all panoramic shots, and by their nature, would not exhibit any curve.

Panoramic shots are designed to work in this way, so these shots in and of themselves do not prove a flat earth, nor do they disprove a globe earth.

If you are going to claim that NASA's photos of the globe earth are fake, then you cannot use photos that have been stitched together by computer software to claim the earth is flat.

That is illogical.

Ok, do show, anything at all, that proves curve commensurate with a 24,000 mile ball. Your own personal tests, someone else's tests, photos, whatever. Please only untouched, non cgi, not photoshopped evidence. But I'll take anything at all.

Just to save you time and effort if you were to try, let me admit to you that no one to date has produced this evidence and I've been doing flat earth for almost 10 years now. Why? Because they know it doesn't exist. NASA provides glorious photoshops of all sorts of things in outer space, yet not one true video of the rotating earth. Seriously? Not one single photo of the ball earth. NOT ONE!!! BY NASA'S OWN ADMISSION! So, please explain to me where is your evidence that earth is a ball?

Let me guess, you think earth is a ball...

1. Because NASA says so.
2. Because somebody says a shadow on the moon is curved.
3. Because teachers said so.
4. Because somebody said that flat earth is stupid.
5. Because everybody else says its true.
6. Because somebody says that the stars and sun and moon wouldn't work on flat earth.
7. Because somebody said ships disappear over the horizon.
8. Because somebody said astronauts saw it.

Wow. 100% of heliocentrism theory held by individuals is unsubstantiated, undocuмented, unphotographed, untenable HEARSAY! I really want to understand why good Catholics maintain heliocentric theory, when the Catholic Church condemned heliocentrism? Scripture only describes a flat immovable earth. Church Fathers condemned heliocentric theory, including sphericity of earth, based on scripture, yet Catholics still have the nerve to hold this blatantly condemned proposition.

Maybe you could explain that to me. I really don't get it. What are people holding on to?

They love Pope Francis more than Catholic Tradition.

:applause: :rahrah: :boxer:

noOneImportant · « **Reply #291 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:39:45 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

And that's why truly flat, consistently level surfaces don't exist. The fact is that you need a very large body of water for the curvature to be large enough to detect. A little simple algebra can demonstrate this. So you need to either be at a coastline, where you can observe the sun sinking below the horizon, or some other sufficiently large body of water.

The spring equinox is in a few weeks, so anyone unconvinced can easily go observe for themselves the proof of the round earth by watching sunrise on the 20th. See (the last part of the video I think) for a full explanation of the proof and why it works.

What does the Pope have to do with anything at all?

happenby · « **Reply #292 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:40:09 PM »

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So you say. In fact, a 360 panoramic view from 10,000 ft should give a clue. Still you say you don't get it. Ok. Let's try something different. Water in my glass, in my pool, in the lake behind my house. It's no more or less curved than the ocean. Why? Because water surface remains flat at rest. Water has never stuck to a curved outside surface of a ball, ever. Only heliocentric theorists believe such nonsense and then refrain from providing evidence for it. For Catholics, believing that is really not an option because heliocentrism has been condemned by the Church, by scripture, by saints, by popes. Perhaps a long consideration about the properties of water and the church's condemnation will clear things up for you.

I did the math on the surface of a pool in a previous thread as well. The center of the pool is something like 1/20,000th of an inch higher than the ends due to the earth's curvature. Good luck measuring that.

Since you did not, and cannot show this silly premise to be true, why would you post it? Who's word about such an anomaly is trustworthy enough to chuck reason out the window?

noOneImportant · « **Reply #293 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:41:03 PM »

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So you say. In fact, a 360 panoramic view from 10,000 ft should give a clue. Still you say you don't get it. Ok. Let's try something different. Water in my glass, in my pool, in the lake behind my house. It's no more or less curved than the ocean. Why? Because water surface remains flat at rest. Water has never stuck to a curved outside surface of a ball, ever. Only heliocentric theorists believe such nonsense and then refrain from providing evidence for it. For Catholics, believing that is really not an option because heliocentrism has been condemned by the Church, by scripture, by saints, by popes. Perhaps a long consideration about the properties of water and the church's condemnation will clear things up for you.

I did the math on the surface of a pool in a previous thread as well. The center of the pool is something like 1/20,000th of an inch higher than the ends due to the earth's curvature. Good luck measuring that.

Since you did not, and cannot show this silly premise to be true, why would you post it? Who's word about such an anomaly is trustworthy enough to chuck reason out the window?

I didn't bring it up. You did. I showed, using logic and simple math, why it isn't the proof you think it is. Is this too confusing for you?

happenby · « **Reply #294 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:41:57 PM »

Quote from: noOneImportant

Quote from: Truth is Eternal
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

And that's why truly flat, consistently level surfaces don't exist. The fact is that you need a very large body of water for the curvature to be large enough to detect. A little simple algebra can demonstrate this. So you need to either be at a coastline, where you can observe the sun sinking below the horizon, or some other sufficiently large body of water.

The spring equinox is in a few weeks, so anyone unconvinced can easily go observe for themselves the proof of the round earth by watching sunrise on the 20th. See (the last part of the video I think) for a full explanation of the proof and why it works.

What does the Pope have to do with anything at all?

Ok, here comes the denials of existence. Very expected, but always a little freaky. People attempting to carry an argument past reasonable always go here.

Flat enough exists. And the earth is not a globe.

happenby · « **Reply #295 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:46:55 PM »

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So you say. In fact, a 360 panoramic view from 10,000 ft should give a clue. Still you say you don't get it. Ok. Let's try something different. Water in my glass, in my pool, in the lake behind my house. It's no more or less curved than the ocean. Why? Because water surface remains flat at rest. Water has never stuck to a curved outside surface of a ball, ever. Only heliocentric theorists believe such nonsense and then refrain from providing evidence for it. For Catholics, believing that is really not an option because heliocentrism has been condemned by the Church, by scripture, by saints, by popes. Perhaps a long consideration about the properties of water and the church's condemnation will clear things up for you.

I did the math on the surface of a pool in a previous thread as well. The center of the pool is something like 1/20,000th of an inch higher than the ends due to the earth's curvature. Good luck measuring that.

Since you did not, and cannot show this silly premise to be true, why would you post it? Who's word about such an anomaly is trustworthy enough to chuck reason out the window?

I didn't bring it up. You did. I showed, using logic and simple math, why it isn't the proof you think it is. Is this too confusing for you?

Ok, 1/20,000th of an inch of unprovable hearsay? Confusion happened, but its all in your head.

noOneImportant · « **Reply #296 on:** March 09, 2017, 05:53:17 PM »

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Ok, 1/20,000th of an inch of unprovable hearsay? Confusion happened, but its all in your head.

Since you appear to be having trouble, I'll spell it out for you.

1. You claimed water remains "flat" at rest, citing a pool and a lake as proof.
2. I pointed out that these are not proof, because the curvature over them is small enough that it can't be detected without incredibly sensitive equipment anyway.

My memory was off, and it's actually larger than I remembered, but my point still stands. Based off the assumed radius of the earth of ~4k miles, a 200 foot pool would have a curvature of 1/100th of an inch. So no, you can't claim "I looked at my pool and it was flat!" as "proof" of anything.

happenby · « **Reply #297 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:04:25 PM »

Quote from: noOneImportant

Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Neil Obstat

But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

And you have no evidence at all!

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #298 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:07:06 PM »

Quote from: noOneImportant

Quote from: Truth is Eternal
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.

And that's why truly flat, consistently level surfaces don't exist. The fact is that you need a very large body of water for the curvature to be large enough to detect. A little simple algebra can demonstrate this. So you need to either be at a coastline, where you can observe the sun sinking below the horizon, or some other sufficiently large body of water.

The spring equinox is in a few weeks, so anyone unconvinced can easily go observe for themselves the proof of the round earth by watching sunrise on the 20th. See (the last part of the video I think) for a full explanation of the proof and why it works.

What does the Pope have to do with anything at all?

The sun does not sink below the horizon.
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happenby · « **Reply #299 on:** March 09, 2017, 06:14:58 PM »

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Quote from: noOneImportant
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Neil Obstat

But if the earth were flat, the angle between the north star, Polaris, and the horizon, would always be the same, regardless of latitude.

Not at all.

mw is correct. Why is everyone in this thread so bad at geometry? It is trivial to show the curvature of the earth with basic geometry. The greeks did it over 2000 years ago.

And you have no evidence at all!

Sorry, this was posted to the wrong person...