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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #210 on: February 28, 2017, 06:35:38 PM »
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  • Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  

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    « Reply #211 on: February 28, 2017, 07:29:57 PM »
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  • Here's a novel idea:  

    I'll post this excellent video from the Russian Electro-L satellite camera.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6twFHqJ03_k[/youtube]

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    Published on Apr 20, 2012
    A timelapse of Planet Earth from Electro-L, a geostationary satellite orbiting 40000km above the Earth. The satellite creates a 121 megapixel image every 30 minutes with four visible and infrared light wavelengths. The infrared light appears orange in these images, and shows vegetation. The images were obtained beginning on May 14th, 2011 and end on May 20th. The images are the largest whole disk images of our planet, the resolution is 1 kilometer per pixel. The images are "masked" by a circular barrier that blocks out the light of the Sun and other stars. This is to prevent damage to the camera by exposure to direct sunlight. The images have been interpolated (blended) to create a smooth animation.


    Now flat-earthers can complain how these images are tampered with and there is no red/orange vegetation on earth, that the images are "masked" so we can't see what's really there. Or like previously, the Persian Gulf isn't shaped like the Red Sea so flat-earthers can complain that the map isn't accurate when they don't know what they're looking at. One flat-earther thought the ocean in the middle was supposed to be the Atlantic. When I say, "You can see the reflection of the sun crossing the Indian Ocean" they'll complain that you can't see the sun going around the other side of the earth. It could be a reading comprehension problem, though:  the circular barrier blocks out the light of the sun and other stars. In the end, of course, all this incredulity is aimed at making their false claim that there is no evidence of a spheroid earth.

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    « Reply #212 on: February 28, 2017, 07:33:00 PM »
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  • [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/idRjqi8JC2U[/youtube]

    Cosmic Purgatory (see min. 5:07)

    The images in this video are mostly artists' fantasies, but they don't bother to mention that.

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    « Reply #213 on: February 28, 2017, 07:40:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Here's a novel idea:  

    I'll post this excellent video from the Russian Electro-L satellite camera.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6twFHqJ03_k[/youtube]

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    Published on Apr 20, 2012
    A timelapse of Planet Earth from Electro-L, a geostationary satellite orbiting 40000km above the Earth. The satellite creates a 121 megapixel image every 30 minutes with four visible and infrared light wavelengths. The infrared light appears orange in these images, and shows vegetation. The images were obtained beginning on May 14th, 2011 and end on May 20th. The images are the largest whole disk images of our planet, the resolution is 1 kilometer per pixel. The images are "masked" by a circular barrier that blocks out the light of the Sun and other stars. This is to prevent damage to the camera by exposure to direct sunlight. The images have been interpolated (blended) to create a smooth animation.


    Now flat-earthers can complain how these images are tampered with and there is no red/orange vegetation on earth, that the images are "masked" so we can't see what's really there. Or like previously, the Persian Gulf isn't shaped like the Red Sea so flat-earthers can complain that the map isn't accurate when they don't know what they're looking at. One flat-earther thought the ocean in the middle was supposed to be the Atlantic. When I say, "You can see the reflection of the sun crossing the Indian Ocean" they'll complain that you can't see the sun going around the other side of the earth. It could be a reading comprehension problem, though:  the circular barrier blocks out the light of the sun and other stars. In the end, of course, all this incredulity is aimed at making their false claim that there is no evidence of a spheroid earth.



    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/xgjAPRMrmek[/youtube]

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    « Reply #214 on: February 28, 2017, 09:15:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Here's a novel idea:  

    I'll post this excellent video from the Russian Electro-L satellite camera.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6twFHqJ03_k[/youtube]




    Good grief, that is an embarrassingly FAKE video.



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    « Reply #215 on: February 28, 2017, 11:29:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  



    Sailors always used geometry and plane sailing. By definition plane sailing is sailing on a course plotted without reference to the curvature of the earth. They never carried globes, but plotted on flat maps.

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    « Reply #216 on: February 28, 2017, 11:34:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Here's a novel idea:  

    I'll post this excellent video from the Russian Electro-L satellite camera.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6twFHqJ03_k[/youtube]

    Quote

    Published on Apr 20, 2012
    A timelapse of Planet Earth from Electro-L, a geostationary satellite orbiting 40000km above the Earth. The satellite creates a 121 megapixel image every 30 minutes with four visible and infrared light wavelengths. The infrared light appears orange in these images, and shows vegetation. The images were obtained beginning on May 14th, 2011 and end on May 20th. The images are the largest whole disk images of our planet, the resolution is 1 kilometer per pixel. The images are "masked" by a circular barrier that blocks out the light of the Sun and other stars. This is to prevent damage to the camera by exposure to direct sunlight. The images have been interpolated (blended) to create a smooth animation.


    Now flat-earthers can complain how these images are tampered with and there is no red/orange vegetation on earth, that the images are "masked" so we can't see what's really there. Or like previously, the Persian Gulf isn't shaped like the Red Sea so flat-earthers can complain that the map isn't accurate when they don't know what they're looking at. One flat-earther thought the ocean in the middle was supposed to be the Atlantic. When I say, "You can see the reflection of the sun crossing the Indian Ocean" they'll complain that you can't see the sun going around the other side of the earth. It could be a reading comprehension problem, though:  the circular barrier blocks out the light of the sun and other stars. In the end, of course, all this incredulity is aimed at making their false claim that there is no evidence of a spheroid earth.



    Now there's a video you can trust. Russian Electro-L.

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    « Reply #217 on: February 28, 2017, 11:40:10 PM »
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  • What does he know?


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    « Reply #218 on: March 02, 2017, 03:47:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  



    Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?

    He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.

    He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.

    There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?

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    « Reply #219 on: March 02, 2017, 08:54:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  



    Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?

    He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.

    He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.

    There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?


    I am so quick to respond every time Neil Obstat posts in a flat earth thread because I am not allowing him to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers; that is our job. :wink: I also notice he sometimes tries to post in a flat earth thread when he thinks we are most likely to not be looking.

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    « Reply #220 on: March 02, 2017, 09:44:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
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    Here's a novel idea:  

    I'll post this excellent video from the Russian Electro-L satellite camera.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/6twFHqJ03_k[/youtube]

    Good grief, that is an embarrassingly FAKE video.


    What's fake about it? You have complained before about NASA images because the clouds are obviously copied over and over. Here, the clouds show different patterns every day for several days and you can easily see where they came from by looking at the previous day's clouds.

    I mentioned the reflection of the sun on the water but you're ignoring that, so far. Maybe you needed a week or two to think of some reply. Don't worry there's plenty of time.

    So, what about it?  What precisely do you think is fake in this video? Please be specific.

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    « Reply #221 on: March 02, 2017, 09:55:15 PM »
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    Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  

    Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?
    He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.
    He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.
    There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?

    You don't have to pretend you're talking about me behind my back.  I'm right here.

    Let's hear your answers.  I already asked the questions, but you have perhaps forgotten them because you didn't copy them.

    Restated:  How do sailors find their distance north of the equator on the Atlantic Ocean (for example) by sighting the elevation of Polaris above the horizon, if not by understanding that it is directly proportional due to the earth's curvature?  

    Do you know what instrument they have been using for at least 600 years for this purpose?

    BTW:  How is the method sailors use to estimate their latitude comparable to the method surveyors use to lay out a simple circular curve in a new highway?  

    Or is that question beyond your pay grade?

    Maybe you're of the opinion that highways don't have circular curves or whatever.

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    « Reply #222 on: March 02, 2017, 09:56:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Truth is Eternal
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    Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  

    Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?
    He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.
    He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.
    There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?
    I am so quick to respond every time Neil Obstat posts in a flat earth thread because I am not allowing him to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers; that is our job. :wink: I also notice he sometimes tries to post in a flat earth thread when he thinks we are most likely to not be looking.

    Are you "so quick to respond" this time?

    How about a substantive answer for a change?  See above.

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    « Reply #223 on: March 02, 2017, 11:00:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: FlatEarthInquisitor
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Ever since sailors have been navigating the Atlantic Ocean, they have relied on measurement of the angle from the horizon to the height of Polaris to tell them how far they are from the equator.

    Even today, this measurement is a reliable gauge of the degrees north of the equator.

    You have been unable to explain how that can be if there is no curvature from north to south, and it's really funny to watch flat-earthers turn head over heels trying to avoid the obvious. You're making a joke of your own blindness.  :rolleyes:  



    Am I the only one to notice, that even when Neil gets answers to his questions, he just ignores them?

    He posts questions, to try to sow doubt in the minds of outside observers.

    He's not interested in admitting that he might be wrong.

    There is an answer to his question above, but is it worth responding to a person who is not interested?


    Noticed he ignores most and for that reason doesn't deserve answers.

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    « Reply #224 on: March 02, 2017, 11:56:15 PM »
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  • So let me get this straight.

    When you can't answer the questions you pout, and pretend you're getting even?

    If not, then please answer the questions. That is, if you can.

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