Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 282499 times)

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #150 on:** January 11, 2017, 09:43:30 PM »

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Look at you, FlatTard, demanding answers to questions after you never answered my questions, instead you posted links to frauds (pilots / submarine operators) filling a niche of the sensational to sell books and speeches.

Let us look up one of the synonyms to the word "circle". One synonym is "GLOBE", but nowhere is the word "flat" to be found.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/circle

You and the other FlatTards ignore the following that I stated because it exposes the fallacy of your positions:

Regarding Our Lady's warning about earthquakes to come, she say's "the EARTH's GLOBE will have convulsions and earthquakes." It makes absolutely no sense for FlatTards to refer to the sky (which is a "globe" according to them) as having earthquakes when, according to their "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively.

In other words, these FlatTards are saying there will be earthquakes in the sky according to Our Lady. This is preposterous.

Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

He clearly does not understand the difference between a dictionary and a thesaurus and is having a really hard time with the definition of the word circle and compass.

So why does the thesaurus have "globe" as a synonym of "circle", but the word "flat" isn't mentioned? Is it because when a person looks at a circle, it appears round, just like the earth is round? Maybe this is what the Bible writers were conveying? :scratchchin:

The word "flat" is a very simple word and concept to describe an object. Surely, the word existed in the Hebrew and Koine Greek language, so why didn't the Bible writers use it to describe the shape of the earth?

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I'm sorry God's Word is so disappointing to you, Croix.

So you're really saying you're happy that Satan's lies made you addicted to the sensational? :shocked:

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And what is this earthquake in the sky nonsense you keep babbling on about? No FE'er has said such a thing. You really need help.

According to FlatTardology, the message by Our Lady of La Salette states that the sky will have earthquakes, which is premised on your belief that the only (half) globe is the sky above the "flat" earth. Did you go to the Bozo School of Science or Theology?

Never once did Our Lady say the earth's globe will have convulsions. She talks only about the earth convulsing. More inaccuracies on top of more inaccuracies.

You're wrong, again, You obviously don't know the message of Our Lady of La Salette.

I've posted the link below. Scroll down a little past the middle point and read what she said:

"The seasons will be altered, the earth will produce nothing but bad fruit, the stars will lose their regular motion, and the moon will only reflect a faint reddish glow; water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and horrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc."

http://www.salvemariaregina.info/SalveMariaRegina/SMR-171/LaSalette6.htm

mw2016 · « **Reply #151 on:** January 11, 2017, 09:50:21 PM »

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/p_9cFTQg7NE [/youtube]

This is such a fantastic, small scale, real world, easy-to-understand illustration of sunrise/sunset on the FE model and how it works.

Croixalist should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch it 100 times until he understands it.

It really is so very simple.

I fear people who cannot understand this concept are suffering some sort of willful blindness.

Also, his follow-up video is even more informative for those who still don't get it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/gTzRvPyK2dY[/youtube]

mw2016 · « **Reply #152 on:** January 11, 2017, 09:54:37 PM »

More lessons for those who do not understand, salient point at 2:15 mark:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vq5ixQytLXE[/youtube]

mw2016 · « **Reply #153 on:** January 11, 2017, 09:57:52 PM »

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You'd be standing around for days because that's how long it takes for a sunspot to move across the face of the sun and yes, disappear from view.

I'm sure myself and happenby can school you on sunspots and how the face of the sun and moon move as they traverse the sky.

It will have to wait till tomorrow, as I have no more energy for casting pearls before swine this evening.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #154 on:** January 11, 2017, 10:02:32 PM »

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Look at you, FlatTard, demanding answers to questions after you never answered my questions, instead you posted links to frauds (pilots / submarine operators) filling a niche of the sensational to sell books and speeches.

Let us look up one of the synonyms to the word "circle". One synonym is "GLOBE", but nowhere is the word "flat" to be found.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/circle

You and the other FlatTards ignore the following that I stated because it exposes the fallacy of your positions:

Regarding Our Lady's warning about earthquakes to come, she say's "the EARTH's GLOBE will have convulsions and earthquakes." It makes absolutely no sense for FlatTards to refer to the sky (which is a "globe" according to them) as having earthquakes when, according to their "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively.

In other words, these FlatTards are saying there will be earthquakes in the sky according to Our Lady. This is preposterous.

Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

He clearly does not understand the difference between a dictionary and a thesaurus and is having a really hard time with the definition of the word circle and compass.

So why does the thesaurus have "globe" as a synonym of "circle", but the word "flat" isn't mentioned? Is it because when a person looks at a circle, it appears round, just like the earth is round? Maybe this is what the Bible writers were conveying? :scratchchin:

The word "flat" is a very simple word and concept to describe an object. Surely, the word existed in the Hebrew and Koine Greek language, so why didn't the Bible writers use it to describe the shape of the earth?

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I'm sorry God's Word is so disappointing to you, Croix.

So you're really saying you're happy that Satan's lies made you addicted to the sensational? :shocked:

Quote from: mw2016
And what is this earthquake in the sky nonsense you keep babbling on about? No FE'er has said such a thing. You really need help.

According to FlatTardology, the message by Our Lady of La Salette states that the sky will have earthquakes, which is premised on your belief that the only (half) globe is the sky above the "flat" earth. Did you go to the Bozo School of Science or Theology?

Never once did Our Lady say the earth's globe will have convulsions. She talks only about the earth convulsing. More inaccuracies on top of more inaccuracies.

You're wrong, again, You obviously don't know the message of Our Lady of La Salette.

I've posted the link below. Scroll down a little past the middle point and read what she said:

"The seasons will be altered, the earth will produce nothing but bad fruit, the stars will lose their regular motion, and the moon will only reflect a faint reddish glow; water and fire will give the earth's globe convulsions and horrible earthquakes which will swallow up mountains, cities, etc."

http://www.salvemariaregina.info/SalveMariaRegina/SMR-171/LaSalette6.htm

Croixalist · « **Reply #155 on:** January 12, 2017, 06:16:16 AM »

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Right, like mw2016, you also believe the sun does not literally rise nor literally set but merely emerges and fades from view because we can't just see far enough. What neither one of you has managed to understand is that your use of the Bible as literal in every single case, particularly in regards to the overall shape of the Sun and the Earth is faulty because there are at least 24 instances the Bible where the sun is described as "rising" "going down" or likewise setting. This is significant because your specific take on the FE does not accept this view, when by your own tortured Protestant logic it simply must be. God wouldn't lie about the movement of the Sun when He inspired those men to say "rising" and "going down", would He? Can you answer this honestly? Survey says no!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/XugZ9wGnk9M [/youtube]

Again, I know how you guys are accustomed to describing the Sun's orbit. There's no need to keep showing it. It's wrong, but let's focus on the point at hand. Your strict adherence to a literal interpretation of the Bible in all things does not permit for this:

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The sun LITERALLY rises and sets every day for every man at every point on the flat plane of the earth. This is LITERALLY what you - and every person - sees with your own eyes from where you are, at any location on the flat plane of the earth. As the sun approaches you on the East Coast, it rises. When the sun reaches Missouri, it rises. When the sun reaches Arizona, it rises. When the sun reaches California, it rises. The sun travels in a level path over the earth, and this phenomenon is easily duplicated by all aircraft when they fly overhead.

Why am I not surprised you guys don't have a proper grasp on the word "literal"? The sun rising and setting is literally not what is being seen, only the appearance thereof. In order for something to be literal it must be follow its definition strictly, regardless of context. Whether you admit to it or not, you are embracing a figurative expression. I picked this topic not only because I could accurately predict your stance on it, but also because it should be one of the only things we agree about. I didn't expect you would insist on "rising", "setting", "going down" as actually being literal, but that's what makes this hilarious, tragic, and infuriating all at the same time!

You've really painted yourself into a corner on this one. Speaking of corners, how about snatching some pics of those elusive "four corners of the Earth" in Revelation 7:1?

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You'd be standing around for days because that's how long it takes for a sunspot to move across the face of the sun and yes, disappear from view.

I'm sure myself and happenby can school you on sunspots and how the face of the sun and moon move as they traverse the sky.

It will have to wait till tomorrow, as I have no more energy for casting pearls before swine this evening.

The only thing you can school me in is how far your obstinance and hatred for rational thought goes. The tusks have already grown too far back into your cheeks on this one. I know you don't need an excuse to make proclamations the Church has not made on the subject and proof that isn't, but I'm in the mood to see you skewer yourself. By all means post your own footage. I can't wait!

cassini · « **Reply #156 on:** January 12, 2017, 08:13:01 AM »

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/p_9cFTQg7NE [/youtube]

This is such a fantastic, small scale, real world, easy-to-understand illustration of sunrise/sunset on the FE model and how it works.

Croixalist should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch it 100 times until he understands it.

It really is so very simple.

I fear people who cannot understand this concept are suffering some sort of willful blindness.

Before I start could I ask if the combatants would stop using the like, no like buttons. Just because somebody disagrees with a post or agrees with one does not mean it should get a no like or like. That should only be used for exceptional posts for or against a subject under discussion.

Now back to your man at the table above with his sun object practically going around the earth at tree-top level to make the flat-earth day and night work.

First we must see if the sun is really so low above the earth that a few thousand miles of earth distance can cause day and night as illustrated in the video above.

‘In 1672 the astronomer Domenico Cassini took advantage of a good opposition of Mars to determine the distance between the Earth and that planet. He arranged for Jean Richer (1630-1696) to make measurements from his base in Cayenne, on the north eastern coast of South Africa, while Cassini made simultaneous measurements in Paris which permitted them to make a triangulation of Mars with a baseline of nearly 10,000 kilometres. This derived a good approximation for the distance between the Earth and Mars, from which Cassini was able to deduce many other astronomical distances. These included the Astronomical Unit [the distance of the sun from the earth] which Cassini found to be 138 million kilometres, only 11 million kilometres too little [that is, according to today’s proposed measurements].--- David Abbot: Astronomers, The Biographical Dictionary of Scientists, Blonde Educational, 1984, p.35.

The only way day and night can occur if the sun is that distance away above the earth is by way of a globe that has part of the earth blocked from the sun's light.

Now what does constitute PROOF for something or FALSIFICATION for something is MATHS. The above day and night scenarios can be brought down to a geometric conflict needing to be solved. Anyone care to work out this important solution to a globe or flat earth?

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #157 on:** January 12, 2017, 09:10:29 AM »

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Right, like mw2016, you also believe the sun does not literally rise nor literally set but merely emerges and fades from view because we can't just see far enough. What neither one of you has managed to understand is that your use of the Bible as literal in every single case, particularly in regards to the overall shape of the Sun and the Earth is faulty because there are at least 24 instances the Bible where the sun is described as "rising" "going down" or likewise setting. This is significant because your specific take on the FE does not accept this view, when by your own tortured Protestant logic it simply must be. God wouldn't lie about the movement of the Sun when He inspired those men to say "rising" and "going down", would He? Can you answer this honestly? Survey says no!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/XugZ9wGnk9M [/youtube]

Again, I know how you guys are accustomed to describing the Sun's orbit. There's no need to keep showing it. It's wrong, but let's focus on the point at hand. Your strict adherence to a literal interpretation of the Bible in all things does not permit for this:

Quote from: mw2016

The sun LITERALLY rises and sets every day for every man at every point on the flat plane of the earth. This is LITERALLY what you - and every person - sees with your own eyes from where you are, at any location on the flat plane of the earth. As the sun approaches you on the East Coast, it rises. When the sun reaches Missouri, it rises. When the sun reaches Arizona, it rises. When the sun reaches California, it rises. The sun travels in a level path over the earth, and this phenomenon is easily duplicated by all aircraft when they fly overhead.

Why am I not surprised you guys don't have a proper grasp on the word "literal"? The sun rising and setting is literally not what is being seen, only the appearance thereof. In order for something to be literal it must be follow its definition strictly, regardless of context. Whether you admit to it or not, you are embracing a figurative expression. I picked this topic not only because I could accurately predict your stance on it, but also because it should be one of the only things we agree about. I didn't expect you would insist on "rising", "setting", "going down" as actually being literal, but that's what makes this hilarious, tragic, and infuriating all at the same time!

You've really painted yourself into a corner on this one. Speaking of corners, how about snatching some pics of those elusive "four corners of the Earth" in Revelation 7:1?

Quote from: mw2016
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You'd be standing around for days because that's how long it takes for a sunspot to move across the face of the sun and yes, disappear from view.

I'm sure myself and happenby can school you on sunspots and how the face of the sun and moon move as they traverse the sky.

It will have to wait till tomorrow, as I have no more energy for casting pearls before swine this evening.

The only thing you can school me in is how far your obstinance and hatred for rational thought goes. The tusks have already grown too far back into your cheeks on this one. I know you don't need an excuse to make proclamations the Church has not made on the subject and proof that isn't, but I'm in the mood to see you skewer yourself. By all means post your own footage. I can't wait!

The earth does not rise and set; the flat earth is literally stationary.

mw2016 · « **Reply #158 on:** January 12, 2017, 09:36:19 AM »

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The only way day and night can occur if the sun is that distance away above the earth is by way of a globe that has part of the earth blocked from the sun's light.

The only way for your proposition to work is if you think Einstein is correct and that light rays are infinite and can travel over infinite distances.

But, Einstein was wrong and light rays cannot travel over infinite distances.

The division between day and night occur because the throw of light upon the flat plane has a limit.

mw2016 · « **Reply #159 on:** January 12, 2017, 10:07:55 AM »

The first mistake, made by cassini and all others who object to flat earth, must be corrected, and it is this:

The earth is NOT a planet.

The earth is NOT a celestial body.

The heavenly bodies exist in the HEAVENS and are distinct in type and character from the earth.

There is no evidence to ASSUME that they are the same.

This is in the Bible.

Therefore, just because the moon is a ball, it does not follow to believe the earth is a ball.

The Church objected to this notion most strenuously when Galileo began his talk of heliocentrism.

Why did the Church object?

Because heliocentrism made the earth into one of many PLANETS.

It made the earth into a celestial body.

If the Church accepted that the earth was just another celestial body, it would be damaging to the faith.

This is precisely the reason why cassini (and Sungenis's) version of geocentrism, which accepts the earth as a celestial body and merely swaps the position of the sun and earth at the center, is in ERROR.

Cardinal Bellarmine argued that Galileo's ideas would have dreadful consequences and that science must conform to Scripture, not the other way around.

If the earth is a planet, this "vitiates the whole plan of Christian salvation" and "casts suspicion on the doctrine of the Incarnation."

If the earth is a planet, "it upsets the whole basis of theology."

If "the earth is a planet, and only one among several planets, it cannot be that any great such things have been donespecially for it as Christian doctrine teaches. If there are other planets, since God makes nothing in vain, they must be inhabited; but how can their inhabitants be descended from Adam? How can they trace back their origin to Noah's Ark? How can they have been redeemed by the Savior?"

All the above quotes were made at the Inquisition into Galileo's heresy.

mw2016 · « **Reply #160 on:** January 12, 2017, 10:24:54 AM »

It is worth noting that besides the fact that there are ZERO references into the Bible of the earth as being a globe, or a ball, that the earth is referred to as a "footstool" of the Lord.

Think about that.

This is because God the Father is seated on His throne.

The earth is His footstool.

A footstool is a FLAT surface with four pillars. What a coincidence that Genesis describes the earth as such!

Can you place your feet on a ball-shaped footstool? No, you cannot.

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"Thus saith the Lord: Heaven is My throne and the earth My footstool: what is this house that you will build to me? and what is this place of My rest? My hand made all these things, and all these things were made, saith the Lord." Isaiah 66:1-2

"But I say to you not to swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God; nor by the earth, for it is His footstool." Matthew 5:34

happenby · « **Reply #161 on:** January 12, 2017, 12:16:50 PM »

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Those scriptures above you posted about the sun are referring to the suns movement above the flat earth.

Ahr yoo shore abowt thad?

Then the Flat Earth Model you believe in has the sun actively rising and falling, not revolving above it as I've seen most of you posit. Of course this would not explain how the sun is seen around the world 24/7, unless you believed there was a hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth disk, but since the sun goes from east to west and not north to south or vice-versa, you can't neatly fold it along the equator. Not that that works either because as mentioned before you must contend with not one but two pole stars, one for both northern and southern hemispheres.

You haven't seen me posit that. I believe as Enoch and Cosmas described the sun's movement.

happenby · « **Reply #162 on:** January 12, 2017, 12:22:39 PM »

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You'd be standing around for days because that's how long it takes for a sunspot to move across the face of the sun and yes, disappear from view.

I'm sure myself and happenby can school you on sunspots and how the face of the sun and moon move as they traverse the sky.

It will have to wait till tomorrow, as I have no more energy for casting pearls before swine this evening.

Wheels in the sky keep on turning...

happenby · « **Reply #163 on:** January 12, 2017, 12:28:26 PM »

When God says this:

happenby · « **Reply #164 on:** January 12, 2017, 12:29:45 PM »

...Why do people think this?