Author Topic: 50 Plus Reasons The Earth Is Not Flat (Read 221206 times)

cassini · « **Reply #120 on:** January 11, 2017, 02:49:29 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.

Heaven is, de fide, above the earth and hell is below it. That is binding under pain of mortal sin. Heaven is not "out" in all directions at 360 degrees. Get it right.

No I don't 'get it' mw2016, Could you show us the de fide dogma that tells us heaven is above the earth and hell below, a dogma binding under pain of mortal sin.

Next you will tell us we have to believe in a flat-earth heaven.

happenby · « **Reply #121 on:** January 11, 2017, 02:57:57 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.

A global earth has heaven outside the physical universe, This gives heaven an infinite demention far more fitting to an Omnipotent Maker.

As for theology and tradition, where is there a flat earth in Catholic tradition developed throughout the ages? The sacrted doctrine of geocentrism has always been global. Andrew White tells us:

'Having thus come from antiquity into the Christian world, St Clement of Alexandria demonstrated that the altar in the Jєωιѕн Tabernacle was “a symbol of the earth placed in the middle of the universe:” nothing more was needed; the geocentric theory was fully adopted by the Church and universally held to agree with the letter and spirit of Scripture.'

'Three great men mainly reared this structure. First was the unknown who gave to the world the treatises ascribed to Dionysius the Areopagite. It was unhesitatingly believed that these were the work of St Paul’s Athenian convert, and therefore virtually of St Paul himself.'

‘The next of these three great theologians was Peter Lombard, Professor at the University of Paris. About the middle of the twelfth century he gave forth his collection of Sentences, or statements by the Fathers, and this remained until the end of the Middle Ages the universal manual of theology.'

‘The great triad of thinkers culminated in St Thomas Aquinas – the sainted theologian, the glory of the mediaeval Church, the ‘Angelic Doctor,’ the most marvellous intellect; he to whom it was believed that an image of the crucified had spoken words praising his writings. '

‘Thus was the vast system developed by these three leaders of mediaeval thought; and now came the man who wrought it yet more deeply into European belief, the poet divinely inspired who made the system part of the world’s life. Pictured by Dante [in The Divine Comedy], the empyrean and the concentric heavens, paradise, purgatory, and hell, were seen by all;

‘Let us look into this vast creation – the highest achievement of theology – somewhat more closely. Its first feature shows a development out of earlier theological ideas. The earth is no longer a flat plain enclosed by four walls and solidly vaulted above, as theologians of previous centuries had believed it [sic], under the inspiration of Cosmas [Indicopleustes]; it is no longer a mere flat disk, with sun, moon, and stars hung up to give it light, as the earlier cathedral sculptors had figured it; it has become a globe at the centre of the universe.'

Then of course was the global geocentrism of St Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621) in his 1614 book De Ascensione Mentis in Deum - The Mind’s Ascent to God by the Ladder of Created Things'

Finally an interesting revelation of a global earth: It comes from the private revelations from heaven to Sister Mary of Jesus, better known as Mary of Agreda (1602-1665). The following insights, dictated to her, she said, by the Virgin Mary herself in 1637. Her three volume work is entitled; ‘The Mystical City of God’ or ‘The Divine History and Life of the Virgin Mother of God.’ These revelations to Sister Mary, whose body lies incorrupt in the Agreda Franciscan Monastery in Spain, have received approbations from many popes throughout history as a mode of greater understanding of the Catholic faith completely in line with traditional Church teaching.

QUOTE: '…. God created the earth co-jointly with the heavens in order to call into existence hell in its centre; for, at the instant of its creation, there were left in the interior of that globe, spacious and wide cavities, suitable for hell, purgatory and limbo. And in hell was created at the same time material fire and other requisites, which now serve for the punishment of the damned.'

Global geocentrism simply doesn't work. Where is the firmament on this so-called globe? When God created the heavens and the earth, he divided the water, some above, some below with the firmament in between, as scripture so eloquently describes in Gen 1:6,7. It is later referred to as a vault, or dome. How can there be a dome over a globe? A vault over a ball? Where is the water above the firmament in this globe model? Mixed in with the vacuum of space? If the sun is indeed inside such a dome structure as scripture describes, then the dome is at least 100 million miles away in order to accommodate the distant sun? Globe earth is a constant contradiction.
Lets look at how often this is the case:

Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.
Heliocentrism and its sister theory, Globe Geocentrism have many things in common, but the one glaring fact is that they both embody imprecision, relativity, pretense and illusion. The science pew sitters are grumbling right now saying, “No! Our science is more precise!”
On a flat geocentric earth, level means level. It doesn’t mean curve that appears level but is not. Nor can measurements that seem level in relation to distance from the center of earth be called level yet actually curve. By definition, and in God’s world, level is level and a curve is a curve. Anything else is from evil.

Geocentric/Heliocentric Globe Flat Earth Geocentric Earth
Level can mean curve, depending    Level is level
Curve can mean level, depending    Curve is curve

Up is out toward space in every direction…
while actually down for some    Up is up
Down is down to the center of ball earth at an angle…
while actually up for some    Down is down
To rise is to go out in any direction toward space
…but could also mean to descend, depending    To rise is to rise
Directions are always relative    Can be specific
The Horizon is not horizontal but curves    The Horizon IS horizontal
Vertical is often at an angle to horizontal    Vertical is up, right angle to horizontal
Above is relative, depending    Above is always above
Below is relative, depending    Below is always below
Enables imprecise, circular reasoning    Prevents dishonesty
Yes and no and is… are not absolute    Yes is yes, no is no, and is is is.

happenby · « **Reply #122 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:02:44 PM »

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Look at you, FlatTard, demanding answers to questions after you never answered my questions, instead you posted links to frauds (pilots / submarine operators) filling a niche of the sensational to sell books and speeches.

Let us look up one of the synonyms to the word "circle". One synonym is "GLOBE", but nowhere is the word "flat" to be found.

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/circle

You and the other FlatTards ignore the following that I stated because it exposes the fallacy of your positions:

Regarding Our Lady's warning about earthquakes to come, she say's "the EARTH's GLOBE will have convulsions and earthquakes." It makes absolutely no sense for FlatTards to refer to the sky (which is a "globe" according to them) as having earthquakes when, according to their "flat earth" theory, these "half globes" represent the sky above the earth and the domain, which consists of water or dust, below the earth's land mass and navigable waters, respectively.

In other words, these FlatTards are saying there will be earthquakes in the sky according to Our Lady. This is preposterous.

Our Lady is referring to the earth that we can see and upon that we physically live. It will have convulsions and earthquakes. She calls this land mass "the earth's globe".

He clearly does not understand the difference between a dictionary and a thesaurus and is having a really hard time with the definition of the word circle and compass.

So why does the thesaurus have "globe" as a synonym of "circle", but the word "flat" isn't mentioned? Is it because when a person looks at a circle, it appears round, just like the earth is round? Maybe this is what the Bible writers were conveying? :scratchchin:

The word "flat" is a very simple word and concept to describe an object. Surely, the word existed in the Hebrew and Koine Greek language, so why didn't the Bible writers use it to describe the shape of the earth?

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I'm sorry God's Word is so disappointing to you, Croix.

So you're really saying you're happy that Satan's lies made you addicted to the sensational? :shocked:

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And what is this earthquake in the sky nonsense you keep babbling on about? No FE'er has said such a thing. You really need help.

According to FlatTardology, the message by Our Lady of La Salette states that the sky will have earthquakes, which is premised on your belief that the only (half) globe is the sky above the "flat" earth. Did you go to the Bozo School of Science or Theology?

Never once did Our Lady say the earth's globe will have convulsions. She talks only about the earth convulsing. More inaccuracies on top of more inaccuracies.

happenby · « **Reply #123 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:09:12 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.

Heaven is, de fide, above the earth and hell is below it. That is binding under pain of mortal sin. Heaven is not "out" in all directions at 360 degrees. Get it right.

No I don't 'get it' mw2016, Could you show us the de fide dogma that tells us heaven is above the earth and hell below, a dogma binding under pain of mortal sin.

Next you will tell us we have to believe in a flat-earth heaven.

Scripture says heaven is above.
Gen 1. 6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1.7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.

Scripture continues to describe heaven above the firmament and earth below that.

And everyone knows Christ DESCENDED into hell.

cassini · « **Reply #124 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:09:53 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

This is another post that went unanswered. So, let me do that.

Sorry the illustration with this post did not reappear here, I am unable to post pioctures. It depicts man on a global earth as though it would mean the only place he could stand upright is on top of the north pole. Everywhere else he would be standing sideways at different angles until he is standing upside down at the south pole.

Of all the posts arguing against a global earth this one needs to be exposed for what it is, bringing the debate down to the level of absurdity, and submitting a dogma of the faith to this asbsurdity. Better we separate the two for simplicity.

Now unless flaterarthers argue the moon, sun and planets are also flat, with their discs pointing towards the earth at all times, then they must take the moon and Mars as globes. This being so, if man were to get to the moon, and land probes on Mars, which I accept as true happenings, then the same nonsense would apply. Only at the top, wherever that might be on the moon and Mars, would a man or machine be able to stand upright.

“For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” (Ecclus 3:21-26).

To understand how we have the sky above and earth below everywhere on global earth is beyond human reasoning. We call this mystery 'gravity' and actually believe we understand how it works, but in fact it is an ongoing act of God.

To say science understands the mystery of ‘gravity’ is ignorant or deceit for no one other than God ‘understands’ what we call ‘gravity.’ We know the need for and effects of ‘gravity’ on earth, and indeed on the surface of every other cosmic body, but can mere human reason really comprehend the mystery of gravity? Given, for example, that if we view the earth from space, as man can do now, we find it surrounded by nothing; its surface covered with ‘unattached’ things, half ‘upside-down’ relative to the other half. This being so, we can ask, how is it that on this same globe everybody on its surface has the sky above and the earth below. Is such a phenomenon not beyond human understanding? Let us put it this way. Here we are in the space shuttle, heading for global earth. Now, no matter where we head for, even if it is a place right on the bottom of the globe as we head towards it, somehow, by the time we land, we end up the same way, the sky is always overhead, and the earth is always below. When does the ‘head-under-heels twist’ happen, we ask? If a fly landed on the same place on a light bulb, it would find itself ‘upside down,’ yet the same does not occur when the bulbs are cosmic bodies. How does this happen? ‘It is all because of gravity’ we are told, and thank God for it we say, because without it we would all be in one terrible incoherent state of chaos.

In fact, the sun and moon faces are always facing toward earth. We never see the backside of either.

Gravity has long been questioned by scientists and has many contradictions science fails to address.

"You might wonder why a string theorist is interested in Newton’s equations. After all Newton was overturned a century ago by Einstein, who explained gravity as warps in the geometry of space-time, and who some theorists think could be overturned in turn by string theorists.
Those exploding black holes (at least in theory — none has ever been observed) lit up a new strangeness of nature. Black holes, in effect, are holograms — like the 3-D images you see on bank cards."
http://www.greenexplored.com/2010/07/gravity-debunked-by-thermodynamics.html

The unfolding story of gravity is like the emperor’s new clothes.
“We’ve known for a long time gravity doesn’t exist,” Dr. Verlinde said, “It’s time to yell it.”

The Encyclopedia Britannica tells us that “ The Law of Gravitation is unique among the laws of nature, not only for its wide generality, taking the whole universe into its scope, but in the fact that, so far as is yet known, it is absolutely unmodified by any condition or cause whatever.”
Reduced to simplicity, gravitation is said to be “That which attracts every thing toward every other thing.” That does not tell us much ; and yet the little it does tell us is not true; for a thoughtful observer knows very well that everything is not attracted towards every other thing. . . The definition implies that it is a force but it does not say so, for that phrase “ mutual action ” is ambiguous, and not at all convincing.

Newton: ‘Allow us, without proof, which is impossible, the existence of two universal forces –centrifugal and centripetal, or attraction and repulsion, and we will construct a theory which shall explain all the leading phenomena and mysteries of Nature.’

Gravity is a scam, unproven, unreasonable, untenable. How can something draw all objects to itself and at the same time fail to do so all the time? The idea of antipodes, people that walk upside down on one side of the earth as opposed to others is condemned by the Church:

The great authority of Augustine, and the cogency of his scriptural argument, held the Church firmly against the doctrine of the antipodes; all schools of interpretation were now agreed--the followers of the allegorical tendencies of Alexandria, the strictly literals exegetes of Syria, the more eclectic theologians of the West. For over a thousand years it was held in the Church, "always, everywhere, and by all," that there could not be human beings on the opposite sides of the earth, even if the earth had opposite sides; and, when attacked by gainsayers the great mass of true believers, from the fourth century to the fifteenth, simply used that opiate which had so soothing an effect on John Henry Newman in the nineteenth century--securus judicat orbis terrarum. (the secure judgement of the whole world)
pg 104 A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom --White

Bishop Isidore of Seville (560-636) taught in his widely read encyclopedia, The etymologies, that the earth was round. While some writers have thought he referred to a spherical Earth, this and other writings make it clear that he considered the earth to be a disk of wheel shaped. Isidore did not admit the possibility of people dwelling at the antipodes, considering them as legendary, and noting that there was no evidence for their existence. The Esoteric Codex: Dynamics of the Celestial Spheres

At the very least, these (and I got plenty more) statements and proofs bear serious weight and show the Church maintains the literal interpretation of scriptural flat earth. Catholics should not summarily dismiss these things when their understanding of some of the dynamics of the earth do not add up for them.

I read the first sentence and found the first mistake happenby. Yes we do see the backside of the sun. The sun rotates so we see all of it once a revolution.

Einstein allowed for Newton's 'mass' theory of gravity.

Be careful with the concept of gravity. As i said above it is just a word for what we experience on earth. Newton's and Einstein's gravity relates to the movements of cosmic bodies. Theories for gravity can be thought up by anybody, but yes, they are only useless theories.

I have always respected Flat-earth arguments. I went through the barrier of evolution and heliocentrism and the contempt with which these people can attack one and one's arguments. I understand that some like yourself can be convinced. For myself I have not been convinced and cannot see how it is essential to the Catholic faith or how it has affected the Faith like heliocentrism (and evolution) has. Heliocentrism was defined as heresy by no biblical interpretation of a flat earth ever occurred.
That sauid I am finding mw2016 is getting a little nastuy with his reply posts.

FlatEarthInquisitor · « **Reply #125 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:11:44 PM »

Cassini,

READ THIS
http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t60-pertinent-quotes-from-fathers-and-tradition

And have a good look through the other pages. Because you are asking questions to which the answers are already given.

happenby · « **Reply #126 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:13:21 PM »

God's description of flat earth denies the globe and anyone familiar with scripture knows it. The more people deny flat earth, the more they show their ignorance of scripture. Flat earth, the way God created His world, makes scripture come alive and truth is manifest therein. This light is too bright for many, however.

happenby · « **Reply #127 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:15:20 PM »

Globe earth, a component of Heliocentrism, is rooted in the demonic.

The Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia states that the Kabbalah is the origin of the philosophy of Pythagoras. It was the secrets of the Kabbalah that led Pythagoras to heliocentric philosophy.

Martin Wagner conducted an objective and thorough study of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and wrote a book about his findings titled “Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ: An Interpretation” In the book it is found that the Kabbalah is unadulterated witchcraft and occultism.
The Zionist Kabbalah Jews hide behind Gentile Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and control the sciences through various arms of the government, including NASA.

cassini · « **Reply #128 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:16:21 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.

Heaven is, de fide, above the earth and hell is below it. That is binding under pain of mortal sin. Heaven is not "out" in all directions at 360 degrees. Get it right.

No I don't 'get it' mw2016, Could you show us the de fide dogma that tells us heaven is above the earth and hell below, a dogma binding under pain of mortal sin.

Next you will tell us we have to believe in a flat-earth heaven.

Scripture says heaven is above.
Gen 1. 6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1.7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.

Scripture continues to describe heaven above the firmament and earth below that.

And everyone knows Christ DESCENDED into hell.

Is it possible that you and mw2016 do not know the requirements for a de fide dogma. Quoting the above in no way constitutes a dogma that heaven is above the earth. The place of heaven and hell has never been dogmatised.

The Doctrine of global geocentrism fulfills this rheology of hell better than a flat earth.

Have to go now, see you tomorrow.

happenby · « **Reply #129 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:17:07 PM »

Theological ‘pontiff’ for the Freemasonic religion and author of “Moral Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite”, Albert Pike teaches: “The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine.”
Albert Pike, Morals & Dogma, "Masonry is identical to the ancient Mysteries ", which means that all their teachings in all their books are precisely the same as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries.
NASA symbols and philosophy promote this same Freemasonic Luciferian doctrine.

happenby · « **Reply #130 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:18:54 PM »

Thanks to the doubters of the flat out truth and their arguments, God's creation has an opportunity to come forth and shine. Keep 'em coming globe earthers!

happenby · « **Reply #131 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:31:35 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

So here we bring in the theology of Christ's ascention and heaven to support a flat earth. It restricts God to a flat-earth theology and heaven to a place that has to be above the earth.

Heaven is, de fide, above the earth and hell is below it. That is binding under pain of mortal sin. Heaven is not "out" in all directions at 360 degrees. Get it right.

No I don't 'get it' mw2016, Could you show us the de fide dogma that tells us heaven is above the earth and hell below, a dogma binding under pain of mortal sin.

Next you will tell us we have to believe in a flat-earth heaven.

Scripture says heaven is above.
Gen 1. 6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1.7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.

Scripture continues to describe heaven above the firmament and earth below that.

And everyone knows Christ DESCENDED into hell.

Is it possible that you and mw2016 do not know the requirements for a de fide dogma. Quoting the above in no way constitutes a dogma that heaven is above the earth. The place of heaven and hell has never been dogmatised.

The Doctrine of global geocentrism fulfills this rheology of hell better than a flat earth.

Have to go now, see you tomorrow.

Scripture is the source of all dogmatic truth.
St. Augstine :"Major est Scripturae auctoritas quam omnis humani ingenii capacitas." "Nothing is to be accepted save on the authority of Scripture, since greater is that authority than all the powers of the human mind." --St. Augustine, Commentary on the Book of Genesis

happenby · « **Reply #132 on:** January 11, 2017, 03:39:22 PM »

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So, which direction did Jesus rise? The globe is a contradiction and denies all truth.

This is another post that went unanswered. So, let me do that.

Sorry the illustration with this post did not reappear here, I am unable to post pioctures. It depicts man on a global earth as though it would mean the only place he could stand upright is on top of the north pole. Everywhere else he would be standing sideways at different angles until he is standing upside down at the south pole.

Of all the posts arguing against a global earth this one needs to be exposed for what it is, bringing the debate down to the level of absurdity, and submitting a dogma of the faith to this asbsurdity. Better we separate the two for simplicity.

Now unless flaterarthers argue the moon, sun and planets are also flat, with their discs pointing towards the earth at all times, then they must take the moon and Mars as globes. This being so, if man were to get to the moon, and land probes on Mars, which I accept as true happenings, then the same nonsense would apply. Only at the top, wherever that might be on the moon and Mars, would a man or machine be able to stand upright.

“For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” (Ecclus 3:21-26).

To understand how we have the sky above and earth below everywhere on global earth is beyond human reasoning. We call this mystery 'gravity' and actually believe we understand how it works, but in fact it is an ongoing act of God.

To say science understands the mystery of ‘gravity’ is ignorant or deceit for no one other than God ‘understands’ what we call ‘gravity.’ We know the need for and effects of ‘gravity’ on earth, and indeed on the surface of every other cosmic body, but can mere human reason really comprehend the mystery of gravity? Given, for example, that if we view the earth from space, as man can do now, we find it surrounded by nothing; its surface covered with ‘unattached’ things, half ‘upside-down’ relative to the other half. This being so, we can ask, how is it that on this same globe everybody on its surface has the sky above and the earth below. Is such a phenomenon not beyond human understanding? Let us put it this way. Here we are in the space shuttle, heading for global earth. Now, no matter where we head for, even if it is a place right on the bottom of the globe as we head towards it, somehow, by the time we land, we end up the same way, the sky is always overhead, and the earth is always below. When does the ‘head-under-heels twist’ happen, we ask? If a fly landed on the same place on a light bulb, it would find itself ‘upside down,’ yet the same does not occur when the bulbs are cosmic bodies. How does this happen? ‘It is all because of gravity’ we are told, and thank God for it we say, because without it we would all be in one terrible incoherent state of chaos.

In fact, the sun and moon faces are always facing toward earth. We never see the backside of either.

Gravity has long been questioned by scientists and has many contradictions science fails to address.

"You might wonder why a string theorist is interested in Newton’s equations. After all Newton was overturned a century ago by Einstein, who explained gravity as warps in the geometry of space-time, and who some theorists think could be overturned in turn by string theorists.
Those exploding black holes (at least in theory — none has ever been observed) lit up a new strangeness of nature. Black holes, in effect, are holograms — like the 3-D images you see on bank cards."
http://www.greenexplored.com/2010/07/gravity-debunked-by-thermodynamics.html

The unfolding story of gravity is like the emperor’s new clothes.
“We’ve known for a long time gravity doesn’t exist,” Dr. Verlinde said, “It’s time to yell it.”

The Encyclopedia Britannica tells us that “ The Law of Gravitation is unique among the laws of nature, not only for its wide generality, taking the whole universe into its scope, but in the fact that, so far as is yet known, it is absolutely unmodified by any condition or cause whatever.”
Reduced to simplicity, gravitation is said to be “That which attracts every thing toward every other thing.” That does not tell us much ; and yet the little it does tell us is not true; for a thoughtful observer knows very well that everything is not attracted towards every other thing. . . The definition implies that it is a force but it does not say so, for that phrase “ mutual action ” is ambiguous, and not at all convincing.

Newton: ‘Allow us, without proof, which is impossible, the existence of two universal forces –centrifugal and centripetal, or attraction and repulsion, and we will construct a theory which shall explain all the leading phenomena and mysteries of Nature.’

Gravity is a scam, unproven, unreasonable, untenable. How can something draw all objects to itself and at the same time fail to do so all the time? The idea of antipodes, people that walk upside down on one side of the earth as opposed to others is condemned by the Church:

The great authority of Augustine, and the cogency of his scriptural argument, held the Church firmly against the doctrine of the antipodes; all schools of interpretation were now agreed--the followers of the allegorical tendencies of Alexandria, the strictly literals exegetes of Syria, the more eclectic theologians of the West. For over a thousand years it was held in the Church, "always, everywhere, and by all," that there could not be human beings on the opposite sides of the earth, even if the earth had opposite sides; and, when attacked by gainsayers the great mass of true believers, from the fourth century to the fifteenth, simply used that opiate which had so soothing an effect on John Henry Newman in the nineteenth century--securus judicat orbis terrarum. (the secure judgement of the whole world)
pg 104 A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom --White

Bishop Isidore of Seville (560-636) taught in his widely read encyclopedia, The etymologies, that the earth was round. While some writers have thought he referred to a spherical Earth, this and other writings make it clear that he considered the earth to be a disk of wheel shaped. Isidore did not admit the possibility of people dwelling at the antipodes, considering them as legendary, and noting that there was no evidence for their existence. The Esoteric Codex: Dynamics of the Celestial Spheres

At the very least, these (and I got plenty more) statements and proofs bear serious weight and show the Church maintains the literal interpretation of scriptural flat earth. Catholics should not summarily dismiss these things when their understanding of some of the dynamics of the earth do not add up for them.

I read the first sentence and found the first mistake happenby. Yes we do see the backside of the sun. The sun rotates so we see all of it once a revolution.

Einstein allowed for Newton's 'mass' theory of gravity.

Be careful with the concept of gravity. As i said above it is just a word for what we experience on earth. Newton's and Einstein's gravity relates to the movements of cosmic bodies. Theories for gravity can be thought up by anybody, but yes, they are only useless theories.

I have always respected Flat-earth arguments. I went through the barrier of evolution and heliocentrism and the contempt with which these people can attack one and one's arguments. I understand that some like yourself can be convinced. For myself I have not been convinced and cannot see how it is essential to the Catholic faith or how it has affected the Faith like heliocentrism (and evolution) has. Heliocentrism was defined as heresy by no biblical interpretation of a flat earth ever occurred.
That sauid I am finding mw2016 is getting a little nastuy with his reply posts.

No backside of the sun, bud. Proven a myriad of times by many people. I'd post a video, but ppl don't seem to view them. Get yourself a Nikon P900 and sun lenses and view for yourself. There are dots on the sun that rotate around like a wheel but never disappear. The sun turns like a wheel with its face facing earth. Its kind of important to do some of your own experiments, but also, become familiar enough with the argument from both sides so that you'll know what's true. Just like Protestant that goes to his choir director, Prot friends, prot parents, prot minister is never going to find the Catholic truth, so the globe earther who always defends a single position (at least in his own mind) will never discover the truth.

Croixalist · « **Reply #133 on:** January 11, 2017, 06:18:41 PM »

Let's see how many times the Bible mentions a sunset, the sun going "down", and a sunrise.

Genesis 15:12
And when the sun was setting, a deep sleep fell upon Abram, and a great and darksome horror seized upon him.

Genesis 15:17
And when the sun was set, there arose a dark mist, and there appeared a smoking furnace and a lamp of fire passing between those divisions.

Genesis 28:11
And when he was come to a certain place, and would rest in it after sunset, he took of the stones that lay there, and putting under his head, slept in the same place.

Exodus 17:12
And Moses' hands were heavy: so they took a stone, and put under him, and he sat on it: and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands on both sides. And it came to pass that his hands were not weary until sunset.

Exodus 22:26
If thou take of thy neighbour a garment in pledge, thou shalt give it him again before sunset.

Leviticus 22:7
And the sun is down, then being purified, he shall eat of the sanctified things, because it is his meat.

Deuteronomy 16:6
But in the place which the Lord thy God shall choose, that his name may dwell there: thou shalt immolate the phase in the evening, at the going down of the sun, at which time thou camest out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:13
But thou shalt restore it to him presently before the going down of the sun: that he may sleep in his own raiment and bless thee, and thou mayst have justice before the Lord thy God.

Deuteronomy 24:15
But thou shalt pay him the price of his labour the same day, before the going down of the sun, because he is poor, and with it maintaineth his life: lest he cry against thee to the Lord, and it be reputed to thee for a sin.

Joshua 8:29
And he hung the king thereof on a gibbet until the evening and the going down of the sun. Then Josue commanded, and they took down his carcass from the gibbet: and threw it in the very entrance of the city, heaping upon it a great heap of stones, which remaineth until this present day.

Joshua 10:27
And when the sun was down, he commanded the soldiers to take them down from the gibbets. And after they were taken down, they cast them into the cave where they had lain hid, and put great stones at the mouth thereof, which remain until this day.

Judges 5:31
So let all thy enemies perish, O Lord: but let them that love thee shine, as the sun shineth in his rising. And the land rested for forty years.

2 Samuel 3:35
And when all the people came to take meat with David, while it was yet broad day, David swore, saying: So do God to me, and more also, if I taste bread or any thing else before sunset

2 Samuel 23:4
As the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, shineth in the morning without clouds, and as the grass springeth out of the earth by rain

1 Kings 22:36
And the herald proclaimed through all the army before the sun set, saying: Let every man return to his own city, and to his own country.

Psalm 113:3
From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same, the name of the Lord is worthy of praise.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again,

Isaiah 45:6
That they may know who are from the rising of the sun, and they who are from the west, that there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is none else

Daniel 6:14
Now when the king had heard these words, he was very much grieved, and in behalf of Daniel he set his heart to deliver him and even till sunset he laboured to save him.

Micah 3:6
Therefore night shall be to you instead of vision, and darkness to you instead of divination; and the sun shall go down upon the prophets, and the day shall be darkened over them.

Mark 1:32
And when it was evening, after sunset, they brought to him all that were ill and that were possessed with devils.

Mark 4:6
And when the sun was risen, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

Mark 16:2
And very early in the morning, the first day of the week, they come to the sepulchre, the sun being now risen.

Luke 4:40
And when the sun was down, all they that had any sick with divers diseases, brought them to him. But he laying his hands on every one of them, healed them.

Must be a mistranslation, right? We all know the sun doesn't actually rise or fall, or "set"... or do we? God wouldn't dare allow any kind of poetic language based off of man's limited perspective make it into His inspired Scripture! Good news is that the sun is also a male. That's what it says right?!!?

Quote from: happenby

light doesn't bend.

Quote from: happenby

No backside of the sun, bud. Proven a myriad of times by many people. I'd post a video, but ppl don't seem to view them. Get yourself a Nikon P900 and sun lenses and view for yourself.

You'd be standing around for days because that's how long it takes for a sunspot to move across the face of the sun and yes, disappear from view.

Croixalist · « **Reply #134 on:** January 11, 2017, 06:37:34 PM »

Quote from: Croixalist

2 Samuel 3:35
And when all the people came to take meat with David, while it was yet broad day, David swore, saying: So do God to me, and more also, if I taste bread or any thing else before sunset

2 Samuel 23:4
As the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, shineth in the morning without clouds, and as the grass springeth out of the earth by rain

1 Kings 22:36
And the herald proclaimed through all the army before the sun set, saying: Let every man return to his own city, and to his own country.

Before I set the Trad world on fire, make that 2 Kings 3:35, 2 Kings 23:4, and 3 Kings 22:36.