None of the flat earthers (excepting Pax Vobis) cared to comment on the posts about the flat earthers implicit claim that all the world, including Moses, Solomon, and the Lord, use deceptive language, describing appearances and not reality.

And this is the first law of the luminaries: the luminary the Sun has its rising in the eastern portals of the heaven, ³ and its setting in the western portals of the heaven. And I saw six portals in which the sun rises, and six portals in which the sun sets and the moon rises and sets in these portals, and the leaders of the stars and those whom they lead: six in the east and six in the west, and all following each other ⁴ in accurately corresponding order: also many windows to the right and left of these portals. And first there goes forth the great luminary, named the Sun, and his circuмference is like the ⁵ circuмference of the heaven, and he is quite filled with illuminating and heating fire. The chariot on which he ascends, the wind drives, and the sun goes down from the heaven and returns through the north in order to reach the east, and is so guided that he comes to the appropriate (lit. ' that ') portal and ⁶ shines in the face of the heaven. In this way he rises in the first month in the great portal, which ⁷ is the fourth [those six portals in the cast]. And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in ⁸ their season. When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty, ⁹ mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven. And during this period the day becomes daily longer and the night nightly shorter to the thirtieth ¹⁰ morning.

And when I say that the course of the sun is theory, it's possible that the sun we see is just something reflecting off the firmament, or the interaction of some other radiation on the firmament.  Some FEs hold that the actual sun is above the firmament, and the firmament actually reflects or amplified it down on the earth.  They have made these models with a glass dome over the top of the flat plane of earth and then shine a very small flashlight off of it, where the light distribution appears to match that of the sun.

This video is very interesting:

Great video. Gives you a lot to think about.

Strange that some flat earthers, largely a bible referencing group, think celestial lights are above the firmament because scripture describes the lights, which are sun, moon and stars, as "in" the firmament, which is under the dome itself. Like all of them are located in an upside down bowl. It also describes water above the firmament, which divides the water from the water.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

Genesis 1:14-16

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Genesis 1:6-8

Here's the Book of Enoch regarding the sun.  Notice the regular use of "setting" and "ascending"/"rising" even though the sun is reportedly passing through various portals (not sure what those are supposed to be).

Just wanted to take, oh, 10 seconds, to refute Dankward's gratuitous assertion (delivered as always such authority) that all impact craters are round.  Here are just a couple from earth.

You'd have all kinds of things (in a wide variety of shapes) coming in from strange angles.  But instead (on the moon) we see this:


Perfect circles everywhere ... that also appear to be very shallow for impact craters.  These look more like bubbles in a liquid than they do impact craters.

Another interesting note is that God through Our Lady at Fatima even implicitly undermined the "errors of Russia" to come by moving and changing the Sun in in the sky, with even people in outlying areas witnessing the event. Which, to me, shows the Sun as a local body rather than a gargantuan ball of nuclear plasma in (((space)))

Another interesting note is that God through Our Lady at Fatima even implicitly undermined the "errors of Russia" to come by moving and changing the Sun in in the sky, with even people in outlying areas witnessing the event. Which, to me, shows the Sun as a local body rather than a gargantuan ball of nuclear plasma in (((space)))