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Offline Tradman

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Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
« Reply #90 on: February 14, 2022, 01:33:03 PM »
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  • Hardly anyone in the world, for at least two millennia, believed the Earth was flat.  …until now.

    This false notion is one of the problems for people looking into flat earth.  They have expunged so much from the Internet that people actually believe this ridiculous idea that no one thought the earth was flat.  The greater percentage of people throughout the centuries, all civilizations prior to the 1600's, not only believed earth is flat, they expounded on it, measured it, philosophized about it and drew many pictures of it over the centuries. The saints and fathers of the Church even compared the tabernacle, Noah's ark and the ark of the covenant to earth as microcosms reflecting God's creation.   

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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #91 on: February 14, 2022, 03:22:39 PM »
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  • Good material, Marion. Don't even need science to debunk the most basic assertions of flat earthers.

    But it is the "globe religion" with "baseless claims" and "unproven assumptions" according to some here ::) :incense:


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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #92 on: February 14, 2022, 06:30:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mk 4:5-6
    And other some fell upon stony ground, where it had not much earth; and it shot up immediately, because it had no depth of earth. And when the sun was risen, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

    Our FE-disciples know more than the Lord does. He thinks that the sun rises.

    Or does the Lord just, for convenience, adopt the way of speaking of dumb NASA indoctrinated people, who mistake reality, where the sun is circling at constant height above our heads and FE-"perspective" rules?

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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #93 on: February 14, 2022, 06:40:56 PM »
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  • :confused:  Why can't the sun rise in a FE model?  Most of you are so close-minded that your conclusions are retarded.

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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #94 on: February 14, 2022, 06:44:01 PM »
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  • :confused:  Why can't the sun rise in a FE model?  Most of you are so close-minded that your conclusions are retarded.


    Don't you read CI? They claim such a model, and try to explain the "apparent" rising and setting of the sun by some else unknown form of "perspective".

    These are not globe earther conclusions, but flat earther explanations. And you never complained about them, though you defended flat earth. Now, that you've understood that that's wrong, you try to blame me. Ridiculous!
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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #95 on: February 14, 2022, 06:53:12 PM »
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  • Don't even need science to debunk the most basic assertions of flat earthers.

    No, you globers are decidedly afraid of real science.  You’ve made it absolutely clear how you refuse to look at the subject objectively, as a question of science.  It’s actually rather pathetic to watch you and Marion carry on like a couple of crybabies who can’t let go of their teething rings.

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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #96 on: February 14, 2022, 07:00:20 PM »
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  • No, you globers are decidedly afraid of real science.  You’ve made it absolutely clear how you refuse to look at the subject objectively, as a question of science.  It’s actually rather pathetic to watch you and Marion carry on like a couple of crybabies who can’t let go of their teething rings.

    Here, Pax Vobis, Ladislaus is one of those who presented "perspective" as the reason why it only seems as if the sun is rising and setting, while in reality it isn't. I'm curious to hear what he says about the Lord, saying that the sun is rising.
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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #97 on: February 14, 2022, 07:27:51 PM »
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  • Marion, there's no contradiction.  "Sunrise" is just a common term to explain how it looks as the sun arises at the beginning of the day.  If you think it's some sort of scientific term, you're sadly mistaken.  Most people are not scientifically minded (nor do they need to be), so most terms originate from the common folk and their perspective.  


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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #98 on: February 14, 2022, 08:10:36 PM »
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  • Marion, there's no contradiction.  "Sunrise" is just a common term to explain how it looks as the sun arises at the beginning of the day.  If you think it's some sort of scientific term, you're sadly mistaken.  Most people are not scientifically minded (nor do they need to be), so most terms originate from the common folk and their perspective. 


    Pax, I agree that rising of the sun and setting of the sun (or moon) are common terms used in all languages to describe general observations of all (including scientists). Now, flat earthers claim that these observations deceive. See e.g. the quote at the end of this post. Start the video at 11'45". The guy explains that the sun really moves at a constant height, while it only appears to rise or set.

    Flat earthers claim that people were and are generally deceived, and were and are too retarded to realize the effects of "perspective". People have called the sunrise sunrise and the sunset sunset, ever since at least Moses. The Lord called it sunrise. Some decades after the NASA fooled the world with fake moon landings, the Lord gave grace to some, to the flat earthers, to see that humanity erred since at least Moses, who called the sun rising and setting, while in reality it isn't.

    More precisly, humanity erred up to the Apostle Eric Dubay.



    It's not before 2015, that the current FE sun and moon model was published.

    Recent flat earthers claim that people generally are deceived and speak according to appearences and not according to reality. This, as presented, includes Scripture; Moses, Solomon, and the Lord.

    An analog problem is known since Galileo Galilei, who thought that the earth orbits around the sun. St Robert wrote:

    Quote from: St. Robert to Foscarini
    And if you tell me that Solomon spoke only according to the appearances, and that it seems to us that the sun goes around when actually it is the earth which moves [...]

    Consequently, our flat earthers put themselves into an uncomfortable situation. They claim that Moses, Solomon, and the Lord speak "only according to the appearances". Their situation is that of the heliocentrists.



    This is some of the best sun timelapse stuff I've seen.





    Lots of great footage, but see in particular 9:29 - 10:34.  If the sun is 93 million miles away, it should NOT increase in size like that.  It absolutely looks like it's coming closer to the camera.

    12:15 - 13:12 ... watch it get smaller and move in a straight line as if in a perspective line.

    P.S.: The video is nonsense. E.g. the guy presents perspective as if the sun wouldn't change size with distance. I can't understand how Ladislaus falls for such cretinism.
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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #99 on: February 14, 2022, 10:09:33 PM »
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  • A sunrise doesn’t prove the sun moves around the earth each day.  There is more than 1 FE theory.  You’re obsessed with Dubay as if he’s the president of FE.  

    How many theories of sedevacantism are there (100s)?  Not all the details are worked out (not even close). But still, millions of people believe it and it’s plausible even if not fully explained (yet).  Get the parallel?

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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #100 on: February 14, 2022, 10:14:59 PM »
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  • A sunrise doesn’t prove the sun moves around the earth each day.  There is more than 1 FE theory.  You’re obsessed with Dubay as if he’s the president of FE. 

    Again, you blame me, while I simply refute what has been presented here on CI. Go ahead and present a second, a third, and a fourth FE theory.

    I am deeply sorry to not have refuted yet, what hasn't yet been presented here. :fryingpan:
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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #101 on: February 14, 2022, 10:27:20 PM »
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  • There is more than 1 FE theory.


    I read this as an acknowledgment, that you consider the 1 FE theory presented here on CI as refuted. Thank you!
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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #102 on: February 15, 2022, 05:09:14 PM »
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  • No, you globers are decidedly afraid of real science.
    I'm sorry, that is ridiculous. Anything of scientific value that was produced in the last centuries was created by people who knew the earth is a sphere.

    You'd need to show me a scientific paper, study, book, or any other work that is actual science and not just unproven assumptions (can we call them hypotheses?) that

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    You’ve made it absolutely clear how you refuse to look at the subject objectively, as a question of science.  It’s actually rather pathetic to watch you and Marion carry on like a couple of crybabies who can’t let go of their teething rings.
    In the other thread where I posted undeniable evidence that even early spaceflight was not faked, in the face of that, perhaps without even looking at it, you said I had to consider the matter in a scholastic manner.

    For scientific question, I like to employ the scientific method as good as possible, because it is objective.

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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #103 on: February 15, 2022, 06:38:24 PM »
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  • Flat Earthism = monomania
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    Re: 3 Full Moons Last Month 2nd Full Moon Tonight
    « Reply #104 on: February 15, 2022, 08:31:14 PM »
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  • Flat Earthism = monomania
    Lol. If you believe heliocentrism you think the earth goes 550,000,000 miles around the sun every 24 hours.  :laugh1: