ok. But be more precise.

How exactly does it disprove anything of the videos posted so far?

The concave earth is nonsense. Another theory to discredit the flat earth.

I never watch the videos so I have no idea how it relates to them.  Ladislaus described refraction as very rare and it was a discussion that seemed to consider more conditions for refraction than he was allowing for.

I don't watch the videos because:
1. I am not interested in the science aspects of the issue
2. I don't trust them.  Anything can be faked in a video.
3. Even if there were an observable phenomenon or two that seemed better explained by a flat earth, there is no consensus on a coherent model that explains all the observations.
4. Most of the flat earth proponents whom I have seen seen discussing theology and history have been consistently wrong, so I do not expect them to understand science any better.

The reason you think flat earthers don't understand science or scripture is because presume the earth is round. You don't have an open mind.

I do not expect them to understand science because they do not understand Scripture.  The evidence that they do not understand Scripture has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.  They do not understand what the Church teaches about exegesis or even what is meant by the literal sense of Scripture.  They do not know how much weight to give interpretations from the Fathers.  Some of them do not even seem to understand the distinction between canonical and apocryphal writings.

Not only are they wrong about this sort of thing, they will not accept correction when told they are wrong.  They are the ones with closed minds, rejecting the actual Catholic approach to Scripture in order to adopt one that better supports their belief in a flat earth.  Their posts are full of logical fallacies, appeals to emotion, and name-calling.  They show themselves incapable of critical thinking almost every time they write.  I have no reason to think they are capable of recognizing a sound science argument when they see one.  Their only criterion for accepting an observation or argument is whether it supports flat earth.  All of this remains true no matter what shape the earth is.

Jaynek,

You are spot on with that statement : "I have no reason to think they are capable of recognizing a sound science argument when they see one". They are incapable indeed, and at some point we are going to have to stop trying to make them see, it just won't work. You can push their nose into the facts, and still they will refuse to be corrected. They just start calling you "a troll", because you spoil their fantasies.

Proverbs 29:9: "If a wise man contend with a fool, whether he be angry, or laugh, he shall find no rest."

Can you see how I find it embarrassing that so many Trads reportedly are falling into the flat earth nonsense? It reflects very poorly on all the others and it undermines not only the flat earth nonsense itself, but also all the rest they supposedly stand for, i.e. the Resistance.

If I was moderator here, I would have banned these fools long ago.

In your posts on the other hand I have witnessed far more logic and common sense than I have seen from all the flat earthers put together, and then some. Good on you!

Jaynek,

You see what I mean? When the only answer you get is a stupid grin, what else is there to say?

Some people suspect it is the Menzingen shills who regularly and persistently infiltrate the Resistance forums in order to distract them, to sow division, to waste their time, to make them look stupid, etc..

I am starting to believe it. There is no other charitable explanation.

If only a moderator would kick them out. I'm all for intelligent discussions, but this is something quite different.

You can beat yourself up all you desire, God will never turn the flat earth into a sphere. I have God on my side.

Meg, Ladislaus, Jaynek,

I believe you're the only serious ones left here, so if you would like to further discuss the flat earth with me I'd be more than happy to do so by email (via tradidi.com). This forum is useless and I won't waste any more time on it.

I realize that it may be frustrating for you to debate with TiE. I have the impression that TiE thinks it's futile to debate details with globe earthers. I know that I'm coming round to that conclusion myself.

For me, for instance, trying to debate with Jayne is an exercise in frustration. She believes she knows everything there is to know, and that's all there is to it. Except that she's a convert (like me) and maybe there is something she can learn. She is intractable, and a know-it-all, and thinks she's superior, as Jєωs often think of themselves as superior to everyone else. They can't seem to help it.

I probably won't be debating the subject much here anymore. And there are too many FE threads anyway. It shouldn't take over the forum.

I might contact you on your website in the future, regarding FE.

I realize that it may be frustrating for you to debate with TiE. I have the impression that TiE thinks it's futile to debate details with globe earthers. I know that I'm coming round to that conclusion myself.

For me, for instance, trying to debate with Jayne is an exercise in frustration. She believes she knows everything there is to know, and that's all there is to it. Except that she's a convert (like me) and maybe there is something she can learn. She is intractable, and a know-it-all, and thinks she's superior, as Jєωs often think of themselves as superior to everyone else. They can't seem to help it.

I probably won't be debating the subject much here anymore. And there are too many FE threads anyway. It shouldn't take over the forum.

I might contact you on your website in the future, regarding FE.

There never was a debate with TiE (or any other other flat earthers) , and that's the problem. For a debate both sides need to listen and respond to each other's arguments.

Whether you agree with Jayne or not, at least you have to admit that she is always responding to the arguments, unlike the flat earthers here.

With regards to the (Menzingen?) trolls here, at least they are doing their job. That's what they come here for, and that's what they achieved. But the moderator's job is to enable a climate where people are able to intelligently discuss things, without being prevented from doing so by those trolls. And for some reason the moderators here are not doing that job. A forum without decent moderation is utterly useless. On the contrary, it reflects very poorly on the group this forum is supposed to represent and defend.

I invite you to seriously question the flat earth theories, as well as the people behind it, their tactics, and their results. Don't just take anyone's word for it simply because it "sounds" or "feels" plausible. Remember how the devil managed to talk Eve into taking that first bite? He knows quite well how to paint a nice picture (i.e. a lie). And especially today (remember Pope Leo XIII's vision) the devil has many arrows up his bow, but at the end of the day, he is like a chained dog: he cannot bite you unless you get too close to him. It's up to you how close you want to get. You have a free will.

There never was a debate with TiE (or any other other flat earthers) , and that's the problem. For a debate both sides need to listen and respond to each other's arguments.

Whether you agree with Jayne or not, at least you have to admit that she is always responding to the arguments, unlike the flat earthers here.

With regards to the (Menzingen?) trolls here, at least they are doing their job. That's what they come here for, and that's what they achieved. But the moderator's job is to enable a climate where people are able to intelligently discuss things, without being prevented from doing so by those trolls. And for some reason the moderators here are not doing that job. A forum without decent moderation is utterly useless. On the contrary, it reflects very poorly on the group this forum is supposed to represent and defend.

I invite you to seriously question the flat earth theories, as well as the people behind it, their tactics, and their results. Don't just take anyone's word for it simply because it "sounds" or "feels" plausible. Remember how the devil managed to talk Eve into taking that first bite? He knows quite well how to paint a nice picture (i.e. a lie). And especially today (remember Pope Leo XIII's vision) the devil has many arrows up his bow, but at the end of the day, he is like a chained dog: he cannot bite you unless you get too close to him. It's up to you how close you want to get. You have a free will.

You seem to make the assumption that the flat-earthers have not debated the subject or presented their views, but you are fairly new to the debate, isn't that correct?

In the first two lines of my post. The link I gave.

My favorite over the horizon proof is the photos of Chicago from across Lake Michgan 59 miles away.

https://joshuanowicki.smugmug.com/Looking-toward-Chicago-from-Mi