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Offline kiwiboy

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1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
« on: October 10, 2017, 10:52:55 AM »
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    • TAKEN FROM THE FLAT EARTH TRADS WEBSITE (FLATEARTHTRADS.COM)


    LASERS AND LEVELS

    Lasers can be used to measure the supposed curvature of the earth. The images below show an experiment done by some hungarian researchers who were not even flat earthers. Their proof was conclusive; the curvature that is supposed to be there is not. We include also a link to the video.












    Levels

    Experiments have been  done in the past to demonstrate the lack fo curvature on the earth. The Bedford level experiment is one of the most well known. Flag poles are placed along at mile intervals in a canal, at the same height above the water.

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    At the end of the line a telescope is used to try to see back to the first flag. The result is that it is visible. Yet it should not be!



    Refraction?     Opponents of the flat earth try to claim that refraction causes light to bend perfectly consistent with the curvature of the earth to give always and everywhere the impression that the earth is flat.

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    However, while no-one denies refraction, it cannot bend with such consistency, in different conditions. This renders null and void any attempt to explain results consistent with a flat surface.
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    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 01:15:01 PM »
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 08:07:42 AM »
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    • A measly 7.5 miles laser test doesn't prove the earth is flat. It's an incorrect application.

    7.5 miles (let's round it up to 8 miles) is only .10103 % (basically 1/10 of 1 percent) of the earth's mean diameter of 7917.5 miles (let's round it up to 7918 miles). No matter how you cut it, 1/10 of 1 percent of ANY sphere's diameter, whether it's microscopic or astronomical, will be FLAT. If "flat earth" is premised off of this "laser test", I have now completely obliterated this argument and exposed its fallacy.

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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 08:08:55 AM »
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    • Furthermore, 7.5 miles (let's, again, round up to 8 miles) is only .03212 % (basically 3/100 of 1 percent) of the earth's circuмference of 24,901 miles. This is an even SMALLER distance than the aforementioned model that I created above, which logically means a much smaller fraction of any sphere (in this case 3/100 of 1 percent), despite the sphere's actual size, will be FLAT.

    Look at a baseball or a basketball. If you take 3/100 of 1 percent of its circuмference, it will be flat.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 08:19:22 AM »
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    • Thanks for your response!

    You are really helping flat earthers out, by showing how totally idiotic globers are.

    The supposed curvature would very measurable and discernable because it is supposed to be on a ball which is more or less uniform. Over water this would apply even more so.

    I don't think you understand the science of what you are suppose to be defending.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 09:41:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 09, 2018, 08:07:42 AM
    A measly 7.5 miles laser test doesn't prove the earth is flat. It's an incorrect application.

    7.5 miles (let's round it up to 8 miles) is only .10103 % (basically 1/10 of 1 percent) of the earth's mean diameter of 7917.5 miles (let's round it up to 7918 miles). No matter how you cut it, 1/10 of 1 percent of ANY sphere's diameter, whether it's microscopic or astronomical, will be FLAT. If "flat earth" is premised off of this "laser test", I have now completely obliterated this argument and exposed its fallacy.

    So please calculated the number of feet the earth would drop after 7.5 miles.

    PS -- you've "obliterated" nothing but have merely shown your ignorance.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 09:55:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 09, 2018, 09:41:41 AM
    So please calculated the number of feet the earth would drop after 7.5 miles.

    PS -- you've "obliterated" nothing but have merely shown your ignorance.

    Allow me to help you, o great obliterator.

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=6&unit=imperial

    If the camera is 3 feet off the water level, at 7.5 miles, objects shorter than 19.3 feet would not be visible.

    At 30 miles, 518 feet would be hidden.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 10:20:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 09, 2018, 09:41:41 AM
    So please calculated the number of feet the earth would drop after 7.5 miles.

    PS -- you've "obliterated" nothing but have merely shown your ignorance.

    Allow me to help you, o great obliterator.

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=6&unit=imperial

    If the camera is 3 feet off the water level, at 7.5 miles, objects shorter than 19.3 feet would not be visible.

    At 30 miles, 518 feet would be hidden.


    Ladislaus is undercarbed, hence his red herring fallacy. :laugh1:

    Try making an argument relevant to the 7.5 mile laser premise.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 10:36:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 09, 2018, 10:20:09 AM
    Ladislaus is undercarbed, hence his red herring fallacy. :laugh1:

    Try making an argument relevant to the 7.5 mile laser premise.

    You asserted that there's no drop because 7.5 miles is such a small percentage of the earth.  Evidence of a brain powered by refined sugar.

    In case you can't read, my numbers were relevant.  If you point a laser at 3 feet above level over 7.5 miles, the target on the other side would have to be more than 20 feet above level ... to be hit by the laser.  What part of that was so difficult to understand?
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 10:40:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 09, 2018, 08:08:55 AM
    Furthermore, 7.5 miles (let's, again, round up to 8 miles) is only .03212 % (basically 3/100 of 1 percent) of the earth's circuмference of 24,901 miles. This is an even SMALLER distance than the aforementioned model that I created above, which logically means a much smaller fraction of any sphere (in this case 3/100 of 1 percent), despite the sphere's actual size, will be FLAT.

    Look at a baseball or a basketball. If you take 3/100 of 1 percent of its circuмference, it will be flat.
    There is no flat area, of any size on a baseball,  a basketball,  or any ball.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 10:46:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 09, 2018, 10:36:52 AM
    Evidence of a brain powered by refined sugar.

    Full sugar, brah. 8)



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    Ladislaus says:
    You asserted that there's no drop because 7.5 miles is such a small percentage of the earth.

    Wrong analysis. I'm asserting that the drop is imperceptible to the human naked eye, which is why the actual curvature is perceived as "flat", further hence why many flat earthers' beliefs & arguments are based off this false premise. The actual curvature is still there, whether we're talking about the earth or a baseball, over miles or nano distances, respectively.

    Also, the 7.5 mile laser test is faked. It proves nothing.

    That's the point that escaped your undercarbed brain.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 03:51:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 09, 2018, 10:46:07 AM
    Full sugar, brah. 8)



    Wrong analysis. I'm asserting that the drop is imperceptible to the human naked eye, which is why the actual curvature is perceived as "flat", further hence why many flat earthers' beliefs & arguments are based off this false premise. The actual curvature is still there, whether we're talking about the earth or a baseball, over miles or nano distances, respectively.

    Also, the 7.5 mile laser test is faked. It proves nothing.

    That's the point that escaped your undercarbed brain.


    19 feet is imperceptible to the human eye? What are you talking about.

    And if they video is faked, then why are you even talking about it? Go away, or show us some evidence that it is fake.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #12 on: February 09, 2018, 06:21:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: kiwiboy on February 09, 2018, 03:51:22 PM

    19 feet is imperceptible to the human eye? What are you talking about.

    And if they video is faked, then why are you even talking about it? Go away, or show us some evidence that it is fake.

    A 19 foot cliff just in front of a person is perceptible; However, a very gradual 19 foot drop spaced out over miles is imperceptible to the naked human eye.

    I'm talking about a video that's faked because people should know it's fake. Go away, or give us some evidence that the earth is flat rather than making arguments completely devoid of logic and common sense.
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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #13 on: February 09, 2018, 08:01:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on February 09, 2018, 06:21:12 PM
    A 19 foot cliff just in front of a person is perceptible; However, a very gradual 19 foot drop spaced out over miles is imperceptible to the naked human eye.

    I'm talking about a video that's faked because people should know it's fake. Go away, or give us some evidence that the earth is flat rather than making arguments completely devoid of logic and common sense.
    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

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    Re: 1st proof of the flat earth -Lasers and levels
    « Reply #14 on: February 10, 2018, 03:19:10 AM »
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    • Hello folks, before staging my own disappearance act, here's a nice little story for you all about a disappearing ship, in the middle of the ocean!

    http://tradidi.com/etc/fe-disappearing-ship

    Hint: no, we're not looking at rising sea levels due to global warming ;D
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