Author Topic: 16 emergency plane landings proving Flat Earth (Read 14751 times)

Cera · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2024, 01:25:24 PM »

Re: 16 emergency plane landings proving Flat Earth
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Quote from: Ladislaus on October 13, 2023, 05:35:26 PM

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Yes, I've looked for such flights and there are none to be found.

Year ago when I searched for flights from the southern tip of Africa to the southern tip of South America, I did find two such flights. One had a stopover in Dubai and the other had a stopover in London. Makes absolutely no sense on globe earth, but makes perfect sense of FE map.

found this on an old CI post

https://www.flightconnections.com/flights-from-cpt-to-eze

Soubirous · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2024, 02:43:18 PM »

Quote from: Cera on August 17, 2024, 01:25:24 PM

Year ago when I searched for flights from the southern tip of Africa to the southern tip of South America, I did find two such flights. One had a stopover in Dubai and the other had a stopover in London. Makes absolutely no sense on globe earth, but makes perfect sense of FE map.

found this on an old CI post

https://www.flightconnections.com/flights-from-cpt-to-eze

It could make business sense. There likely isn't enough of a market for direct flights between Buenos Aires and Cape Town. Yet route via one of those other interim cities and the airline is more likely to fill the plane on each leg. Similar to why so many domestic flights run through the Atlanta hub (to use one example) when it'd seem a wasteful detour between straight-line departure and destination points.

Not weighing in on FE vs. GE, more leaning toward FE as time goes by. Simply pointing out a pragmatic explanation for this particular flight path curiosity.

If instead we look for flight paths that'd have a more substantial market for nonstop, it'd be stronger evidence.

Thus I tried Cape Town to several Australian cities, as well as CPT to Mumbai, and CPT to Singapore. All stop in Dubai or Doha or other such places well north of a direct arc. Again, it could be economics, or it could be FE.

Has any CI member with firsthand working knowledge of aeronautics ever weighed in? Or linked to a third-party reference with that skill set?

Soubirous · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2024, 03:37:05 PM »

(continued) There are direct flights between Auckland NZ and Santiago Chile. Duration is said to be 12 hours 35 minutes if anyone wants to do the math.

The flight path below (from elsewhere on the internet) displays the assumed GE curvature, whether for illustrative purposes or for ongoing propaganda, since (((they))) lie about everything anyway....

josh987654321 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 18, 2024, 02:21:09 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 13, 2023, 05:30:38 PM

Is that top one actually a real picture from some flight tracker? If so, that about cements it. There's zero reason to go up there, and the usual excuses evaporate, such as staying closer to land or passing near major cities, etc.

You've proved the GE without even knowing it.

First of all they've warped that map greatly minimising the extent of the North Atlantic Ocean etc... but Moscow and USA are almost on the opposite sides of the globe, so if you fly straight up from Moscow, you can go over Greenland and Canada to reach the USA... which is what that is showing in a 2D way and thus rather deceptive way... as your limited in what you can show with a 2D representation.

This is why the USA had Nuclear armed B-52's stationed in Greenland for the shortest path to Moscow during the Cold War which is nonsensical for a FE.

In fact the 2D Google Maps are rather annoying for this reason and perpetuate the conspiracy... the 3D Google Maps are much better.

God Bless

josh987654321 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 18, 2024, 02:30:01 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on October 14, 2023, 06:27:00 PM

Compare the green upside-down U path, with the dark red SHORTCUT. Which one is shorter? The airlines went with the upside down U for some reason. Apparently the other isn't possible, because we're not living on a Globe.

Both those maps are wrong!

The first one is warped squashing the Atlantic Ocean and thus distance and the second one is the globe looking down on top and flattened for some massively warped 2D representation.

So you accept everything except the South Pole and you think we are surrounded by a circle of ice?

God Bless

josh987654321 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 18, 2024, 03:09:36 AM »

Furthermore, if there is no South Pole/Antarctica... then we are surrounded by a circle of ice according to those theories and then how do you make sense of the Indian, Atlantic and Pacific Oceans? (In a circle I suppose lol) You are just taking the top of the globe and then smashing it flat like a tennis ball being run over by a car for some massively warped 2D representation. Furthermore, this is even more ridiculous when you get a telescope and see everything around you is a globe, the Moon, the Sun, the Planets etc.

Then when you know the sun rises in the east every day and sets in the west every day... it is not getting smaller in a distance, it is not going around in a circle around me, it is very clearly rising in the east, going over my head throughout the day and then setting below the horizon in the west... Then with time zones, where I am in the dark and those in Europe or America are in daylight, which we both know as we can speak to each other in real time thanks to modern technology such as the internet...

Like I said, I suppose 2D Google Maps and other 2D maps play into this a bit, because they are already warping the map a bit, so it's only one more step to smash it down like a tennis ball and warp it to the extremes you guys are doing for these conspiracy theories.

It's rather clever actually... because by making it all 2D and 'circular' your basically copying the globe and just tweaking it to deny the South Pole/Antarctica... but no such map is accurate because by flattening the Globe all such maps are massively warped and totally inaccurate.

Like I said though, everything around you in space is a globe (Sun, Moon, Planets)... even your 2D representations are a globe you've just smashed it flat like a tennis ball being run over by a car... like I said, 2D Google Maps helps you a lot with this conspiracy because they try to make it as accurate as possible in 2D format and you just take it a step further, but both are wrong.

God Bless

josh987654321 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 18, 2024, 04:29:02 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

Greenland was a strategically important location during the Cold War precisely because the Earth is a globe and it provided them with the shortest path to Russia, namely Moscow.

God Bless

josh987654321 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 18, 2024, 08:38:06 AM »

Quote from: josh987654321 on August 18, 2024, 04:29:02 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

Greenland was a strategically important location during the Cold War precisely because the Earth is a globe and it provided them with the shortest path to Russia, namely Moscow.

God Bless

I think I need to find some common ground with the flat Earth people here so that I have a starting point to work with. Is there some consensus among the flat Earth people here at the closest approximation of a world map you have?

This argument above works if your thinking of the 2D Google Earth map and most of the flat 2D maps we use today... but it does not work for some of these other maps that are basically the globe but flattened in 2D, in which case, being in Australia I should be able to come up with some good evidence given that doing something like that will massively warp anything in the southern hemisphere.

So I need some common ground to work with and build on if anyone can offer some working theories so I can better understand your thinking.

God Bless

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #38 on:** August 18, 2024, 04:21:18 PM »

Josh, if you want to find common ground, then the simplest problem to solve is the lack of curvature of the earth. This is problem #1 for globers. Either the earth is flat or its size is a lie.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 18, 2024, 04:39:00 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 18, 2024, 04:21:18 PM

Josh, if you want to find common ground, then the simplest problem to solve is the lack of curvature of the earth. This is problem #1 for globers. Either the earth is flat or its size is a lie.

Pax, do you have a favorite forum discussion or video that shows this lack of curvature? Please post a link. Thank you.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #40 on:** August 18, 2024, 04:54:23 PM »

Search “curvature” on this site. There’s probably 20+ videos already posted.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #41 on:** August 18, 2024, 06:30:03 PM »

Thank you.

josh987654321 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 18, 2024, 07:51:23 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on August 18, 2024, 04:39:00 PM

Pax, do you have a favorite forum discussion or video that shows this lack of curvature? Please post a link. Thank you.

I think this is a major problem because if we thoroughly understand something we should be able to explain it in our own words. This method simply swamps us with theories and videos to the point where you are stuck watching videos and reading articles to the point nothing gets solved... do we have to go back to the 1600's and study every single argument that ever existed both for and against? We would be reading and studying for ages and it'd still be futile if it can't be practically observed or explained to the average person IMO.

I have plenty of videos and articles I could link, but they'd all be denied and some arguments while good are simply not accessible to the average person... I can show footage of the South Pole or North Pole and they'd call it fake (such as the time-lapse video of the sun at these places which was already called fake by one poster here and can be explained away depending on your flat Earth theory which is there even any consensus on?) or I could go to some footage of Elon Musk and his rockets... but it'd be called fake and in this day and age of AI and indeed fake videos... it's difficult to use these resources for someone who adamantly denies it.

The second thing, as I've learned with other topics, you just get swamped with videos and articles and it goes around in circles as none of us have time to watch all these videos and read all these articles, do we have to go back over a thousand years and more and learn all of the models proposed of a flat Earth where these people had centuries to think about and come up with?

We have technology today that was not available to our ancestors so to properly debunk these flat Earth theories we need new practical arguments using this modern technology that is accessible to the average person IMO.

There are several I've already tied to use, such as Time Zones given we are on the internet sometimes speaking in real time from very different locations. Another is a cheap telescope can show you that everything around us is a globe, the moon, the sun, the other planets, we can see many of these ourselves first hand. Then you've got the shadow on the moon which if you use the 3D Google Maps you can see is very accurate given the location of the sun and the location of the moon, again with the internet speaking to people all around the world we can know this in real time.

God Bless

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #43 on:** August 18, 2024, 10:00:22 PM »

Time zones, gps, internet and moon shadows exist in either globe or FE. These examples prove nothing.

josh987654321 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 18, 2024, 10:04:54 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 18, 2024, 10:00:22 PM

Time zones, gps, internet and moon shadows exist in either globe or FE. These examples prove nothing.

Declaring it does not make it so... Like I said, I don't even have a workable model consensus to even know what your all thinking when saying FE... how can I debunk something which there is no explanation or consensus on?

At first I'm thinking 2D Google Maps kind of thing, or some variation and therefore making arguments, then I see another image of a 2D image of the North Pole... okay so some of my arguments will not work for that and I instead need to focus on the Southern Hemisphere and how warped it will be with such thinking... so it changes massively depending on what your thinking and what kind of world map model or proposal your positing?

God Bless