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Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
« Reply #225 on: July 24, 2018, 01:20:05 PM »
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    You fail to take into account GRAVITY.  There is a universal Gravitational constant which has been measured and it pertains to all the planets in
    our solar system.  It is the reason we have Order In The Universe -- one of the proofs of God's existence.
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    The earth does NOT have enough gravity to keep the Sun in orbit around the earth.  If it had enough gravity to do that, the Moon would have
    come crashing down to the earth many many yeas ago.  
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    You don't even know the most basic thing about Celestial Mechanics.  I know don't tell me -- Celestial Mechanics is EVIL.
    Well good luck converting Astronomy professors to Catholicism.
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    I guess when NASA uses Celestial Mechanics to place the satellites in orbit, it is a total HOAX, because NASA is EVIL.
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    BTW, I wrote software in Fortran in 1975 which uses Keplers 3rd law of Celestial Mechanics to compute the positions of all the planets,
    so I know something about it.  Heliocentrism works well for this.  Geocentrism fails miserably, for at least one reason: retrograde motion.
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    My good friend Neil Block is the guy who wrote the software that NASA uses today.  He said that the formula for the Moon required
    2000 terms (in the Taylor series).  His software was accurate to 1/10 th of a degree.  I guess he was EVIL also.
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    You people are like cavemen.
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    Lastly, IT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE BIBLE TO DEFINE SCIENCE, INCLUDING ASTRONOMY.  
    Here is a quote from a traditional Priest who used to say Mass at my parent's house:
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    6.  Is not the Bible statement that the sun stood still in the heavens (Jos.  10, 13) an example of obvious error?
    No, we must remember that the Bible was written in every-day language of the time, not in scientific terms.  Even to this day,
    for example, we speak of sunset even though the sun is not setting anywhere and we know that the Earth is orbiting around the
    Sun and not vice-versa. Link: http://drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson12
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    I'm really getting tired of all the lies from people who know NOTHING about Astronomy.

    Do you by any chance work for NASA?

    Maybe you are retired by now, since you wrote software in Fortran back in 1975.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #226 on: July 24, 2018, 01:27:20 PM »
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  • Do you by any chance work for NASA?
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    NO, sorry.  Yep, I'm retired, but I never worked for NASA.
    I was majoring in Aerospace Engineering at one time, but
    changed to Computer Science.
    It's just mathematics.  Is that EVIL ?

    In order to be a traditional Catholic does one have to reject
    everything that was discovered after 1633 AD ?


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #227 on: July 24, 2018, 01:31:19 PM »
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    NO, sorry.  Now I guess mathematics is EVIL.

    Are you quite sure that mathematics can tell us everything we need to know about God's creation? Hasn't mathematics became like a religion to which no one is allowed waver from its dogmas? That seems to be what you are saying. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #228 on: July 24, 2018, 01:35:01 PM »
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  • Are you quite sure that mathematics can tell us everything we need to know about God's creation? Hasn't mathematics became like a religion to which no one is allowed waver from its dogmas? That seems to be what you are saying.
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    Yes, mathematics can tell us which Catholic dogmas are right and which are wrong :laugh2: :P :o :( ;D ;) :-\

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #229 on: July 24, 2018, 01:40:30 PM »
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    Yes, mathematics can tell us which Catholic dogmas are right and which are wrong :laugh2: :P :o :( ;D ;) :-\

    Thanks....but that doesn't address what I was getting at.

    Mathematics is a tool. While it is a useful tool, you seem to be saying that we cannot question what humans have supposedly discovered about the earth and universe by using math. The discoveries using math are infallible, isn't that what you are saying?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #230 on: July 24, 2018, 01:50:57 PM »
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  • Thanks....but that doesn't address what I was getting at.
    Mathematics is a tool. While it is a useful tool, you seem to be saying that we cannot question what humans have supposedly discovered about the earth and universe by using math. The discoveries using math are infallible, isn't that what you are saying?
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    Math being infallible?  No more than Music being infallible.  Infallibility pertains to the Pope in maters of Faith
    and Morals, not science.  That's why the decree of 1633 is not a doctrine of the Church.

    Now you might say that NASA's formulas are in error, but the satellites are not crashing down.
    And the Sun is definitely NOT going 24,000,000 MPH around the Earth.  So the formulas are very accurate.
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    Catholic doctrine cannot say that the earth has no gravity, because that would contradict what
    we can measure and feel in the physical world.  Therefore, Catholic doctrine cannot say that Heliocentrism
    is false, because that would contradict what we can measure (and have measured with telescopes and other
    observations).


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #231 on: July 24, 2018, 01:57:02 PM »
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    Math being infallible, no more than Music being infallible.  Infallibility pertains to Catholic doctrine.
    Now you might say that NASA's formulas are in error, but satellites are not crashing down.
    And the Sun is definitely NOT going 24,000,000 MPH.  
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    Catholic doctrine cannot say that the earth has no gravity, because that would contradict what
    we can measure and feel in the physical world.  Therefore, Catholic doctrine cannot say that Heliocentrism
    is false, because that would contradict what we can measure (and have measured with telescopes).

    What is termed "gravity" isn't really as well defined and understood as most scientists want us to believe. Therefore to base a view on the of idea of gravity can be flawed. 


    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #232 on: July 24, 2018, 01:59:13 PM »
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  • What is termed "gravity" isn't really as well defined and understood as most scientists want us to believe. Therefore to base a view on the of idea of gravity can be flawed.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #233 on: July 24, 2018, 02:42:16 PM »
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    You fail to take into account GRAVITY.  There is a universal Gravitational constant which has been measured and it pertains to all the planets in
    our solar system.  It is the reason we have Order In The Universe -- one of the proofs of God's existence.
    .
    The earth does NOT have enough gravity to keep the Sun in orbit around the earth.  If it had enough gravity to do that, the Moon would have
    come crashing down to the earth many many yeas ago.  

    You clearly know nothing about gravity.  Besides the fact that nobody can demonstrate its existence, the simple truth of the matter is that ... even according to Newtonian physics ... the earth does NOT move around the sun.  Rather, the earth moves around the "center of mass" of the entire solar system, and the sun too moves around this center of mass, which is usually but not always located somewhere within the physical body of the sun ... depending on planetary alignment.

    In addition, even in that case, you have to pretend that the solar system is a closed system and the sun is stationary.  Neither is the case.  Sun and the entire solar system are also both in motion, in turn rotating around other centers of mass.

    At the end of the day, the only stationary point in the universe would be the ENTIRE universe's center of mass.

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #234 on: July 24, 2018, 02:48:06 PM »
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  • Catholic doctrine cannot say that the earth has no gravity, because that would contradict what
    we can measure and feel in the physical world.

    Gravity is nothing but a hypothesis.  No one has ever directly measured it.  People merely DESCRIBE the movements of things with math, but the existence of a single force to explain it is nothing but a hypothesis.  In fact, some scientists claim that there is no such thing as gravity, but that it all has to do with electro-magnetism.  Nobody can explain how "mass" by itself can act on other objects at a distance ... because it can't.

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #235 on: July 24, 2018, 03:03:08 PM »
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    You fail to take into account GRAVITY.  There is a universal Gravitational constant which has been measured and it pertains to all the planets in
    our solar system.  It is the reason we have Order In The Universe -- one of the proofs of God's existence.
    .
    The earth does NOT have enough gravity to keep the Sun in orbit around the earth.  If it had enough gravity to do that, the Moon would have
    come crashing down to the earth many many yeas ago.  
    .
    You don't even know the most basic thing about Celestial Mechanics.  I know don't tell me -- Celestial Mechanics is EVIL.
    Well good luck converting Astronomy professors to Catholicism.
    .
    I guess when NASA uses Celestial Mechanics to place the satellites in orbit, it is a total HOAX, because NASA is EVIL.
    .
    BTW, I wrote software in Fortran in 1975 which uses Keplers 3rd law of Celestial Mechanics to compute the positions of all the planets,
    so I know something about it.  Heliocentrism works well for this.  Geocentrism fails miserably, for at least one reason: retrograde motion.
    .
    My good friend Neil Block is the guy who wrote the software that NASA uses today.  He said that the formula for the Moon required
    2000 terms (in the Taylor series).  His software was accurate to 1/10 th of a degree.  I guess he was EVIL also.
    .
    You people are like cavemen.
    .
    Lastly, IT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE BIBLE TO DEFINE SCIENCE, INCLUDING ASTRONOMY.  
    Here is a quote from a traditional Priest who used to say Mass at my parent's house:
    .
    6.  Is not the Bible statement that the sun stood still in the heavens (Jos.  10, 13) an example of obvious error?
    No, we must remember that the Bible was written in every-day language of the time, not in scientific terms.  Even to this day,
    for example, we speak of sunset even though the sun is not setting anywhere and we know that the Earth is orbiting around the
    Sun and not vice-versa. Link: http://drbo.org/catechism.htm#lesson12
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    I'm really getting tired of all the lies from people who know NOTHING about Astronomy.

    Really Apollo, your posts are so self contradicting that it is obvious you are homo consensus personified. Your mind is so captivated by the heresy that you demonstrate the magic that Lucifer brought about beginning with Pythagoras.

    You write like you are the only one who understands science when in fact you are a captive of the same false 'science.' Above you begin with gravity as though what CAUSES it is known. Obviously you are a Newtonian and believe his THEORY OF GRAVITY is a fact of science. Didn't anyone tell you that even he said ihis theory would account for a geocentric universe? History shows there were/are about five different theories of gravity. Today, and there is evidence for it, Electromagnetism is being considered as the means by which God controls His universe. Remember when God said in Genesis that He created LIGHT before the sun, well we all know what light is, an electromagnetic effect.

    Immediately then you jump over to theology, claiming your Newtonian heresy is some sort of proof for God. What about a geocentric universe, wouldn't that be an even better proof for God, óne that the Catholic Church holds to this day in spite of so many denying this truth?
    It is you Apollo who doesn't know the basics of celestial mechanics. What in God's name has NASA's sending satellites into orbit got to do with theb order of the universe?

    Now Kepler's third law is a description of the universe as God created it, nothing more.

    This observation of Kepler’s was without doubt a great one. In essence, he noted that there is, irrespective of their size and distance, a harmony, a relationship, a wedding, between periodicity and distance - or if you like between time and space - in the movements of the celestial spheres. This law is wonderful in a quantitative sense in that it establishes an equivalency between entities raised to different powers.
    And might the Christian believer further expect that if such that is now called Kepler’s ‘Third law’ undergirds the whole of nature, then surely, as Kepler himself believed, had the Creator geometrically signed the canvas of His creation He would have done so with a curve that uniquely reflects His triune Essence? That curve is not an ellipse however, but one discovered by Domenico Cassini. It was Kepler however, who, albeit using Tycho’s records, announced this amazing phenomenon.

    Now when you know how God created the Earth, sun, moon and planets, it is easy to devise a THEORY that fits the order and to call it a law. If Newton's law predicted the order Kepler found, that would indeed have given his theory credibility. But he didn't, he based his theory on the mathematics already there.

    Lastly you say, IT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE BIBLE TO DEFINE SCIENCE, INCLUDING ASTRONOMY. Every word of the Bible is a truth, whether physical descriptions or theological revelations. The order of the universe is not a scientific question for the simple reason it is now within man's ability to know it for certain. It is metaphysical, and therefore well within the purpose of biblical revelation.


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #236 on: July 24, 2018, 03:26:33 PM »
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  • You clearly know nothing about gravity.  Besides the fact that nobody can demonstrate its existence, the simple truth of the matter is that ... even according to Newtonian physics ... the earth does NOT move around the sun.  Rather, the earth moves around the "center of mass" of the entire solar system, and the sun too moves around this center of mass, which is usually but not always located somewhere within the physical body of the sun ... depending on planetary alignment.
    In addition, even in that case, you have to pretend that the solar system is a closed system and the sun is stationary.  Neither is the case.  Sun and the entire solar system are also both in motion, in turn rotating around other centers of mass.
    At the end of the day, the only stationary point in the universe would be the ENTIRE universe's center of mass.
    What was your major in college, sociology?
    What you described is Heliocentrism.
    Nobody can demonstrate the existence of gravity ?? ??
    Yeah, I see people flying off the face of the Earth everyday ;D ;D
    The Sun has about 99% of the mass of the solar system, so the center of mass
    of the solar system is very close to the center of the Sun.
    Read my lips.  WE CAN MEASURE GRAVITY.  Throw a ball up into the air.  It comes
    down.  That is gravity in operation. 
    There is no gravity ??  Try jumping off your roof and flying.
    But the word "moved" ... that has more wisdom than anything modern science has
    discovered.  You are insane.

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #237 on: July 24, 2018, 03:28:41 PM »
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  • Gravity is nothing but a hypothesis.  No one has ever directly measured it.  People merely DESCRIBE the movements of things with math, but the existence of a single force to explain it is nothing but a hypothesis.  In fact, some scientists claim that there is no such thing as gravity, but that it all has to do with electro-magnetism.  Nobody can explain how "mass" by itself can act on other objects at a distance ... because it can't.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #238 on: July 24, 2018, 03:33:33 PM »
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  • :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

    Understanding Gravity:--- From the Latin gravitás, meaning heavy.

    For great is the power of God alone, and he is honoured by the humble. Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability: but the things that God hath commanded thee, think on them always, and in many of his works be not curious. For it is not necessary for thee to see with thy eyes those things that are hid. In unnecessary matters be not over curious, and in many of his works thou shalt not be inquisitive. For many things are shewn to thee above the understanding of men. And the suspicion of them hath deceived man, and hath detained their minds in vanity.” (Ecclus 3:21-26).

    To say Newton solved the mystery of ‘gravity’ is ignorant or deceit for no one other than God ‘understands’ what we call ‘gravity.’ We know the need for and effects of ‘gravity’ on Earth, and indeed probably on the surface of every other cosmic body, but can mere human reason really comprehend the mystery of gravity?

    There are, of course, many known functions served by ‘gravity.’ Experience has shown us that without Earth’s gravity men could not/cannot survive for very long. The ability of our bodily parts to function properly, for example, is totally dependant on the Earth’s perfect gravity. On Earth, thanks to the Earth’s ‘gravity.’ All living creatures can exist on its surface where they belong with perfect health and mob­ility, and the weight of a glass of wine and cigar just perfect.

         As we look out at the sky from our immobile Earth, we see that all celestial bodies have proper daily, monthly, annual and multi-yearly movement, that is, a daily rotation around the Earth, a monthly orbit for the moon, an annual orbit for the sun, and a multi-year cycle for planets, comets and the precession of the stars. The Earth’s motionless centrality was considered by Aristotle to be its gravitational ‘natural place.’ St Ambrose of Milan (†397), however, and other Fathers of the Church, like St Gregory Naxianzus (†390) and St Basil the Great (†379), attributed the geocentricity of the Earth to divine Providence alone.

    ‘On the nature and position of the Earth there should be no need to enter into discussion… It is sufficient for our information to state the text of Holy Scriptures, namely, that “He hangeth the Earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7).     

         There are many, too, who have maintained that the Earth, placed in the midst of the air, remains motionless there by its own weight, because it extends itself equally on all sides. As to this subject, let us reflect on what was said by the Lord to His servant Job…. Does not God clearly show that all things are established by His majesty, not by number, weight, and measure? For the creature has not given the law, rather he accepts it or abides by that which has been accepted.

         The Earth is therefore not suspended in the middle of the universe like a balance hung in equilibrium, but the majesty of God holds it together by the law of His own will, so that what is steadfast should prevail over the void and unstable…. By the will of God, therefore, the Earth is immovable. “The Earth standeth forever,” according to Ecclesiastes (91:4).’ – St Ambrose.







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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #239 on: July 24, 2018, 03:38:28 PM »
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  • The discoveries using math are infallible, isn't that what you are saying?
    No. Discoveries are made with telescopes.  Math is formulated to explain what was measured with telescopes.
    Math can be proven to be correct by repeating the experiments and also with mathematical proofs.

    (a + b) squared = a squared + 2ab + b squared.

    This can be proven by putting numbers in the formula (e.g. a=2 and b=2, a=3 and b=5)
    Math is what engineering run on.  Engineering without correct math fails miserably.  That is why we make sure
    to use math that has been proved.  
    That is how we can predict where Mars will be one year from now.  By using the formulas of Celestial Mechanics.
    I hope none of you Geocentrists get a job building bridges in my state.