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Offline Jaynek

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Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
« Reply #150 on: April 28, 2018, 12:03:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: happenby on April 28, 2018, 11:40:50 AM
     The accusation of Cosmas being a Nestorian came from the fact that poor Cosmas had Nestorian friends. Such a thing cannot prove one is a heretic.  Another piece of information sheds more light.  Nestorians refused to recognize Mary as the mother of God, yet Cosmas glowingly referred to Our Lady as "Theotokos", "Mother of God".  
    Anyone can do a search on "cosmas indicopleustes nestorian" and see many articles that make arguments for him being a Nestorian.  They are based on the ideas contained in his writing, not on a friendship with Nestorius.  These articles tend to address the issue that he referred to Our Lady as Theotokos.  This is why some view him as influenced by Nestorianism rather fully a heretic.  Even so, it would seem imprudent to treat him as an exemplar of Christian orthodoxy.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #151 on: April 28, 2018, 12:07:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on April 28, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
    Jayne likes to use Catholic Encyclopedia, but it's hardly a traditional resource. Rather, it is owned by Novus Ordo people, I think.

    And Cosmas' literal interpretation of the Bible is not going to be allowed by the globers. Therefore, he has to be maligned by them.
    Actually Catholic Encyclopedia claims that he seems to have been an orthodox Christian at the time of writing Christian Topography whatever the evidence of heresy before that.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #152 on: April 28, 2018, 12:15:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on April 28, 2018, 11:45:19 AM
    Jayne likes to use Catholic Encyclopedia, but it's hardly a traditional resource. Rather, it is owned by Novus Ordo people, I think.

    And Cosmas' literal interpretation of the Bible is not going to be allowed by the globers. Therefore, he has to be maligned by them.
    It's a consistency to persist in error that points to maliciousness. Non believers will always exist, but it isn't because they aren't informed. Ignore is a big part of ignorance.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #153 on: April 28, 2018, 12:17:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on April 28, 2018, 12:03:25 PM
    Anyone can do a search on "cosmas indicopleustes nestorian" and see many articles that make arguments for him being a Nestorian.  They are based on the ideas contained in his writing, not on a friendship with Nestorius.  These articles tend to address the issue that he referred to Our Lady as Theotokos.  This is why some view him as influenced by Nestorianism rather fully a heretic.  Even so, it would seem imprudent to treat him as an exemplar of Christian orthodoxy.
    She continues without substantiation.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #154 on: April 28, 2018, 12:31:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: aryzia on April 28, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
    She continues without substantiation.
    Any one of you can do the search I suggested and see for yourself that what I am saying is true.  Here, I'll get you started:  https://www.google.ca/search?q=cosmas+indicopleustes+nestorian&oq=cosmas+indicopleustes+&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j0j69i57j0l2.12414j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #155 on: April 28, 2018, 02:03:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on April 28, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
    Any one of you can do the search I suggested and see for yourself that what I am saying is true.  Here, I'll get you started:  https://www.google.ca/search?q=cosmas+indicopleustes+nestorian&oq=cosmas+indicopleustes+&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j0j69i57j0l2.12414j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
    We all know what it says. The problem for you is that you didn't check further before dumping on a noble Catholic. Most people assume when they watch the evening news they are getting the truth, yet they are getting almost no truth.  Skimming won't do.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #156 on: April 28, 2018, 02:26:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on April 26, 2018, 07:11:20 PM
    'Nor may it be answered that this is not a matter of faith, for if it is not a matter of faith from the point of view of the subject matter (ex parte objecti), it is a matter of faith on the part of the ones who have spoken (ex parte dicentis). It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the prophets and apostles.’ --- Cardinal Bellarmine, Letter to Foscarini.


    I took two days off to think.  

    This statement from St. Robert Bellarmine says that the ones who have spoken (the Church Fathers)
    consider it a mater of faith that one must believe in Geocentrism.

    OK, they have given their opinions.  Their opinions do NOT make it a doctrine of the Church.  
    A doctrine much be declared to be so by a Pope, when speaking ex-Cathedra on a matter of faith and morals.

    Oh my god, Are you serious, it took you TWO DAYS to figure out Bellarmine meant the Fathers? THE ONES WHO HAVE SPOKEN ARE THE WRITERS OF SCRIPTURE, INSPIRED BY GOD TO WRITE WHAT HE WANTED THEM TO WRITE.

    Pope Paul V defined geocentrism and declared it a dogma in 1616. That decree has never been challenged as not of the magisterium, nor not of Faith.Indeed quite the opposite. In 1820 the Holy Office admitted it was irreversable.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #157 on: April 28, 2018, 04:52:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on April 28, 2018, 02:15:18 AM
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    Interesting website, klas. They show a video with two cargo ships, one some distance away from the camera, probably a few miles, and another far out at sea, likely 30 or more miles away. Very powerful telephoto lens on the Nikon P900 gives crisp detail on the distant containers of the far-away ship the foremast of which is visible and the bow but the rest of the hull is below the hump in earth's curvature so the water surface (which curves with the earth) covers up the hull of the distant ship. At first you might think it's a city skyline you're seeing there because it sort of resembles tall buildings but look closely and you'll see it's really stacked containers on the cargo ship's deck! After the first 45 seconds the distant ship is hidden by the closer ship but reappears at 1:50, with tall foremast and the point of the bow at the left end, visible for a few seconds.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=134&v=dKF7D7XsyTA

    I ask that the Flat Earthers post what they consider their best Flat Earth website.  I don't know if this is the best Flat Earth Rebuttal website, but I have found it to be a very powerful one and I, as a firm believer that the heavenly body which we all call Earth is a globe, challenge the Flat Earthers to post a website which will go up against :boxer: this one: http://flatearthdeception.com/
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #158 on: April 28, 2018, 04:58:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on April 28, 2018, 02:26:27 PM
    Oh my god, Are you serious, it took you TWO DAYS to figure out Bellarmine meant the Fathers? THE ONES WHO HAVE SPOKEN ARE THE WRITERS OF SCRIPTURE, INSPIRED BY GOD TO WRITE WHAT HE WANTED THEM TO WRITE.

    Pope Paul V defined geocentrism and declared it a dogma in 1616. That decree has never been challenged as not of the magisterium, nor not of Faith.Indeed quite the opposite. In 1820 the Holy Office admitted it was irreversable.
    And yet morons in this thread still argue for flat earth. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #159 on: April 28, 2018, 07:49:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 28, 2018, 04:58:38 PM
    And yet morons in this thread still argue for flat earth.
    That's flat geocentric earth.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #160 on: April 29, 2018, 07:50:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: aryzia on April 28, 2018, 07:49:00 PM
    That's flat geocentric earth.
    Show me where Galileo was condemned for globe earthism. 
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #161 on: April 29, 2018, 11:32:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on April 28, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
    I ask that the Flat Earthers post what they consider their best Flat Earth website.  I don't know if this is the best Flat Earth Rebuttal website, but I have found it to be a very powerful one and I, as a firm believer that the heavenly body which we all call Earth is a globe, challenge the Flat Earthers to post a website which will go up against :boxer: this one: http://flatearthdeception.com/
    Earth is NOT a heavenly body.
    We are NOT in tbe heavens. 
    Earth is a terrestrial body, not a celestial one.
    Even the Bible makes this distinction.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #162 on: April 29, 2018, 01:00:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on April 29, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
    Earth is NOT a heavenly body.
    We are NOT in tbe heavens.
    Earth is a terrestrial body, not a celestial one.
    Even the Bible makes this distinction.
    Still waiting for your best website to do battle :boxer: with http://flatearthdeception.com/
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #163 on: April 29, 2018, 01:54:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on April 29, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
    Earth is NOT a heavenly body.
    We are NOT in tbe heavens.
    Earth is a terrestrial body, not a celestial one.
    Even the Bible makes this distinction.
    Yes, of course!  Correction noted.  Thanks.
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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #164 on: April 29, 2018, 03:12:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on April 29, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
    Earth is NOT a heavenly body.
    We are NOT in tbe heavens.
    Earth is a terrestrial body, not a celestial one.
    Even the Bible makes this distinction.
    Terrestrial literally means of or relating to the Earth. Calling the Earth a terrestrial body is like calling the Sun a solar body. 
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