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Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2018, 12:04:05 PM »
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  • You were the first one to go off on that tangent, bub. And you've proven exactly nothing. I've given examples of Popes that believed in a glob earth, I've verified that all Catholic universities and educated Catholics in the middle ages believed in the globe earth, and I've also shown you how St. Bellarmine's condemnation of Galileo NEVER mentioned Galileo's belief in a globe earth, AND I've shown you that Bellarmine believed in the Ptolemaic globe earth model as shown by his mentions of epicycles which only existed in that model.
    Indeed no Pope ever issued a docuмent stating "one must believe in a globe earth" but they never did that for a flat earth either, so the point is entirely moot.
    It does matter, because one is the truth and one is a lie.  You can't have it both ways. 

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #106 on: April 27, 2018, 12:07:22 PM »
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  • You've given no examples at all of the popes teaching that the earth is a globe. You seem to have difficulty sticking with the subject at hand.
    Where are your examples of a Pope teaching that the earth is flat? I said that no Pope has ever taught the earth being a globe is a matter of faith. I have openly admitted that. Yet you still bang on about a complete non-point(as you are incapable of showing that any Pope has taught to the contrary) because you cannot address my arguments.

    I'll say it again: NO POPE HAS TAUGHT THE EARTH IS A GLOBE AS A MATTER OF FAITH(neither has any Pope taught that 2+2=4), and no Pope has done so for the flat earth either. So it in no way proves that flat earth.


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #107 on: April 27, 2018, 12:08:46 PM »
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  • It does matter, because one is the truth and one is a lie.  You can't have it both ways.
    What is a lie? I'm not trying to have anything both ways you dunce. You can't prove the earth is flat by a lack of a Pope teaching it being a globe, when no Pope has ever taught it was flat either. 

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    « Reply #108 on: April 27, 2018, 12:12:03 PM »
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  • Wow!  What an amazing find!  May we quote you on that?
    I guess a whole lot of pre-Vatican II saints were magicians.  I wonder if they even realized they were.  Maybe the devil just tricked them into it without their knowing it.  
    (The тαℓмυd, the Jew's greatest holy book informs us that Jesus was a magician.)
    OK, then tell me what keeps the Sun in orbit around the Earth.
    It's going over 24,000,000 miles per hour in the Geocentric model.
    The Earth is going 67,000 miles per hour in the Heliocentric model.
    I'll bet you $10,000 that the Earth orbits the Sun.  
    Why do we have keep talking about the Church Fathers?
    Why can't we just do some simple calculations?  Or is that
    too difficult for Catholics?
    The Church Fathers' OPINIONS do NOT determine doctrines.
    End of the debate.


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #109 on: April 27, 2018, 12:12:51 PM »
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  • Yet more pernicious lies of the flat earthers.
    Anatolius of Alexandria: Eudemus relates in his Astrologies that Enopides found out the circle of the zodiac and the cycle “of the great year. And Thales discovered the eclipse of the sun and its period in the tropics in its constant inequality. And Anaximander discovered that the earth is poised in space, and moves round the axis of the universe. And Anaximenes discovered that the moon has her light from the sun, and found out also the way in which she suffers eclipse. And the rest of the mathematicians have also made additions to these discoveries. We may instance the facts–that the fixed stars move round the axis passing through the poles, while the planets remove from each other round the perpendicular axis of the zodiac; and that the axis of the fixed stars and the planets is the side of a pente-decagon with four-and-twenty parts. (XVII)

    Augustine: Let not the philosophers, then, think to upset our faith with arguments from the weight of bodies; for I don’t care to inquire why they cannot believe an earthly body can be in heaven, while the whole earth is suspended on nothing. For perhaps the world keeps its central place by the same law that attracts to its center all heavy bodies. (City of God, Bk XIII, Ch 18 )

    Gregory of Nyssa: “…on whatever side the sun’s rays may fall on some particular point of the globe, if we follow a straight diameter, we shall find shadow upon the opposite point, and so, continuously, at the opposite end of the direct line of the rays shadow moves round that globe, keeping pace with the sun, so that equally in their turn both the upper half and the under half of the earth are in light and darkness…” (On the Soul and Resurrection)
    Irenaeus: The sun also, who runs through his orbit in twelve months, and then returns to the same point in the circle (Against Heresies, Bk I, Ch XVII, 1)

    Eusebius: “The sun and the moon have their settled course. The stars move in no uncertain orbits round this terrestrial globe. The revolution of the seasons recurs according to unerring laws. The solid fabric of the earth was established by the word: the winds receive their impulse at appointed times; and the course of the waters continues with ceaseless flow, the ocean is circuмscribed by an immovable barrier, and whatever is comprehended within the compass of earth and sea, is all contrived for wondrous and important ends.”
    The first paragraph is about pagans and does not qualify for Fathers of the Church.
    The second does not say earth is a globe, but that it is suspended on nothing and is at the bottom of creation, according to Catholic Fathers.
    The third shows Gregory of Nyssa was a flat earther, speaking of the armillary sphere.   This is evidenced by "and then it returns to the same point in the CIRCLE."
    Eusebius was also a flat earther.  This is evidenced elsewhere, but also here in the sentence when he says "the ocean is circuмscribed by an immovable barrier..."
    Again, if you are unfamiliar with the subject and attempt to prove a point in ignorance, you will be proven wrong publicly.  Go study and come back when you know more. 


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #110 on: April 27, 2018, 12:15:36 PM »
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  • Where are your examples of a Pope teaching that the earth is flat? I said that no Pope has ever taught the earth being a globe is a matter of faith. I have openly admitted that. Yet you still bang on about a complete non-point(as you are incapable of showing that any Pope has taught to the contrary) because you cannot address my arguments.

    I'll say it again: NO POPE HAS TAUGHT THE EARTH IS A GLOBE AS A MATTER OF FAITH(neither has any Pope taught that 2+2=4), and no Pope has done so for the flat earth either. So it in no way proves that flat earth.

    Ummm.... we've been over this before. I never said that any pope has taught that the earth is flat. There wasn't really a need to teach that the earth is flat, until after the Reformation, when the pagan global model really took off. And now NASA would have us believe that there is no God, and that the earth doesn't hold a privileged place in the universe (God's creation). The Church hasn't really been interested in countering the pagan science model, unfortunately. Although Pope St. Pius X did try, but I'm not sure that anyone really paid attention.

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #111 on: April 27, 2018, 12:18:39 PM »
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  • Ummm.... we've been over this before. I never said that any pope has taught that the earth is flat. There wasn't really a need to, until after the Reformation, when the pagan global model really took off. And now NASA would have us believe that there is no God, and that the earth doesn't hold a privileged place in the universe (God's creation). The Church hasn't really been interested in countering the pagan science model, unfortunately. Although Pope St. Pius X did try, but I'm not sure that anyone really paid attention.
    Pope St. Pius X was also a globe earther. 

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    « Reply #112 on: April 27, 2018, 12:20:01 PM »
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  • Pope St. Pius X was also a globe earther.

    What does that have to do with what I wrote? Do you have any ability at all to stay on topic? I don't suppose you have ADD, do you?

    You sound a lot like a banned forum member who was named DZPlease. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #113 on: April 27, 2018, 12:22:05 PM »
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  • What does that have to do with what I wrote? Do you have any ability at all to stay on topic? I don't suppose you have ADD, do you?
    You brought him up, not me, silly woman. 

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    « Reply #114 on: April 27, 2018, 12:23:42 PM »
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  • You brought him up, not me, silly woman.


    I think you are DZPlease, who was banned. No use debating with a nutbar.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #115 on: April 27, 2018, 12:28:10 PM »
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  • OK, then tell me what keeps the Sun in orbit around the Earth.
    It's going over 24,000,000 miles per hour.  
    I'll bet you $10,000 that the Earth orbits the Sun.  
    Why do we have keep talking about the Church Fathers?
    Why can't we just do some simple calculations?  Or is that
    too difficult for Catholics?
    The Church Fathers' OPINIONS do NOT determine doctrines.
    End of the debate.
    The sun is a light, of a celestial nature, and Enoch says the angels push the celestial objects around.  Beyond that, we do not know.  But neither does modern science.
    The sun is provably not going 24,000,000 mph.  The estimate by empirical evidence is about 1000 mph.  How else could an airplane follow it and stay within sight of it for hours?
    The Church Fathers talked about this having sourced evidence from Scripture.
    The Church's Father's opinions do not determine the doctrines, but when they are in agreement with each other and Scripture, we can be pretty darn sure they are right.  Further, false modern science (represented today by NASA) has promoted a completely godless heliocentric model for centuries, which is now accepted by the majority of people.  This is just one sign of the great apostasy.  St. Nilus predicted science would go off the rails when planes can fly.  Scripture predicted it too, and also warned us not to be taken by science falsely so-called.  Yet, you treat the Father's opinions as nothing.  Go believe your pagan science, but don't attempt to pass it off here without opposition.   


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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #116 on: April 27, 2018, 12:53:54 PM »
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  • 1. The sun is a light, of a celestial nature, and Enoch says the angels push the celestial objects around.  
    2. Beyond that, we do not know.  But neither does modern science.
    3. The sun is provably not going 24,000,000 mph.  The estimate by empirical evidence is about 1000 mph.  
    How else could an airplane follow it and stay within sight of it for hours?
    4. The Church's Father's opinions do not determine the doctrines, but when they are in agreement with each
    other and Scripture, we can be pretty darn sure they are right.  Further, false modern science (represented
    today by NASA) has promoted a completely godless heliocentric model for centuries, which is now accepted by
    the majority of people.  Yet, you treat the Father's opinions as nothing.  
    5. Go believe your pagan science, but don't attempt to pass it off here without opposition.  
    1. The angels pushing the celestial objects?  Do you really believe this?  
    2. Sorry, but you need to come up to date on astronomy.
    3. By what proof, if we do not know?  Empirical evidence? The 1000 mph number is exactly the speed of the
    rotation of the Earth at the equator and that airplane is a lot closer to the Earth than the Sun is.  If that airplane
    were near the Sun or in the Sun's orbit (following the Sun), then it would be a quite different number for its speed,
    which would be real close to 24,000,000 mph. Can you multiply and divide?  Try it.  You'll get about 24 million mph.
    4. Scripture does not demonstrate divine revelation in the case of Geocentrism.  Did you just enter this discussion
    on page 8?  You missed some important points.
    5. If I were a pagan and you were trying to convert me to Christianity with Geocentrism being an article of the Faith,
    I would remain a pagan. 

    Maybe there is no such thing as pagan gravity and it really is the angels pushing down on us, so we don't fly off into
    outer space. Oh, I just realized that you are a female.  That explains a lot. :)

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #117 on: April 27, 2018, 01:11:40 PM »
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  • 100% of the Fathers of the Church who taught about the shape of the earth taught flat geocentric earth.
    Not true.

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #118 on: April 27, 2018, 01:15:15 PM »
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  • 1. The angels pushing the celestial objects?  Do you really believe this?  
    2. Sorry, but you need to come up to date on astronomy.
    3. By what proof, if we do not know?  Empirical evidence? The 1000 mph number is exactly the speed of the
    rotation of the Earth at the equator and that airplane is a lot closer to the Earth than the Sun is.  If that airplane
    were near the Sun or in the Sun's orbit (following the Sun), then it would be a quite different number for its speed,
    which would be real close to 24,000,000 mph. Can you multiply and divide?  Try it.  You'll get about 24 million mph.
    4. Scripture does not demonstrate divine revelation in the case of Geocentrism.  Did you just enter this discussion
    on page 8?  You missed some important points.
    5. If I were a pagan and you were trying to convert me to Christianity with Geocentrism being an article of the Faith,
    I would remain a pagan.  

    Maybe there is no such thing as pagan gravity and it really is the angels pushing down on us, so we don't fly off into
    outer space. Oh, I just realized that you are a female.  That explains a lot. :)
    Right.  And by the looks of your answers devoid of reason, proof or sense, its obvious that you couldn't lick the boots of this gal if you had a ladder.

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    Re: "The Heliocentric Hoax" (by Fr. Robinson's stepfather)
    « Reply #119 on: April 27, 2018, 01:17:01 PM »
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  • He uses it as an example but never says what he believes. Also, that is a passage I have yet to examine in the original Latin.
    That was my point about Latin grammar.  The verb is written in the indicative mood which shows that the example is something he believes to be true.  If he did not believe it, the verb would have been in the subjunctive.

    Examine the passage in the original Latin and you will see that I am right.