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Author Topic: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash  (Read 117257 times)

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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #115 on: May 13, 2018, 05:20:16 PM »
While I think Theosist is actually correct about that image, it's not conclusive.

I'm still waiting for you to provide an image of something that you believe shouldn't be visible due to curvature.

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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #116 on: May 13, 2018, 05:22:20 PM »
I'm still waiting for you to provide an image of something that you believe shouldn't be visible due to curvature.

I will ... when I have time to dig back through them and find some.  I'd have to search for them again.  Many of them have been posted here before, and the globe earthers have not disputed the math ... but appealed to refraction.

Most famous example that comes to mind is the Chicago Skyline visible from Michigan.  Nobody disputes that it should not be visible due to curvature.  So the explanation is that it was a "mirage" ... basically refraction.



Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #117 on: May 13, 2018, 05:24:04 PM »
I've disputed the math. Refraction is usually a pretty negligible effect. I'll go dig up some of my old posts on the topic

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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #118 on: May 13, 2018, 05:25:51 PM »
I've disputed the math. Refraction is usually a pretty negligible effect. I'll go dig up some of my old posts on the topic

Chicago skyline visible from Michigan.  Meteorologist tried to explain it away as a mirage (aka refraction).

At 50 miles away, 1400+ feet should be hidden from view.  Their tallest building, the Sears Tower is 1700 feet tall, so the only thing that should have been visible is the top 300 feet of that tower.

Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #119 on: May 13, 2018, 05:28:17 PM »
This is just a straw man.

The Church doesn’t define any kind of reality. The Church defines true propositions about that reality which have been revealed by God, and what constitutes a “matter of faith” is not limited to things spiritual or only “essential to our salvation” - that’s Modernist  tripe of the kind that makes a nonsensical distinction between something being “theologically true” and otherwise! - no, it includes facts concerning human history, the nature of man, and cosmology. If the Bible states that the dimensions of Solomon’s Temple were x,y and z, the the Church has the power and authority to infallibly declare in this matter.

“Objective observation”, by the way, is a contradiction in terms, and the notion that a “physical reality” - by which really meant a theoretical model abstracted from sense experience, thus based not only upon uncertain data but upon  projecting conceptual fantasies into that data in order to postulate the existence of a world lying behind the content of sense experience - the notion that this process - of the blind grasping in the dark for a cat that might not exist at all - could take precedence over divine assurance of truth is preposterous.

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What you have said here is partially true, and partially false.
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The Church doesn't define reality that we can verify by objective observation. 
Things like the depth of the sea, or the limits of the sun's northern or southern declination each year, for example.
But the Church DOES define reality in spiritual matters, such as the Assumption of Our Lady body and soul into heaven.
So to say "the Church doesn't define any kind of reality" is incorrect.
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The dimensions of Solomon's temple is not something that can be verified because the temple no longer exists.
If the temple were still existing, the Church wouldn't declare that its dimensions are other than what can be observed.
Objective observation is its own reality, by the way.
There are those who deny the evidence of direct personal eyewitness. 
Thanks to Hegel, Locke, Hume, Comte, Kant, Marx, Nietzsche and their ilk, we have no shortage of deniers of observation.
I hope that's not what is infecting your perception!
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Regarding the flat-earthers' claim that the sun is close to earth, a few thousand miles, here are some observations:
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The sun would be further away at sunrise, closer at high noon, and again further away at sunset.
Therefore the sun would appear smaller at sunrise and sunset than it does at noon.
But that is not what we see, in fact.
Flat-earthers go so far as to FALSIFY videos of the sun by not using a solar filter, which makes the sun appear larger than it is.
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