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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2018, 01:23:00 PM »
Happenby, I have explained how you are misunderstanding that Tycho Brahe quote, just like I've explained all the other things you get wrong, just like I have already produced extensive docuмentation for all that I have claimed.  There is no reason why I should waste my time on producing these things again and again for you, merely for you to say "but that isn't proof" and make some excuse to ignore it. You may reread my old posts if you really want to see it.

If there is anybody new to this issue who wants to know about these things, let me know.  I will find my earlier posts or explain it again for you.  

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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2018, 02:23:42 PM »
As I've told you before, I'm not willing to continue to feed you information directly because you're hell bent on your spin. However, in the spirit of what you asked, I pose a similar question to you: Can you cite a Catholic authority that teaches earth is a globe in any age?

You asked for a citation from a Catholic authority that teaches that the earth is a globe. So far, that citation has not been provided. Which makes sense, considering that the Church does not teach that the earth is a globe.


Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2018, 02:39:25 PM »
Happenby, I have explained how you are misunderstanding that Tycho Brahe quote, just like I've explained all the other things you get wrong, just like I have already produced extensive docuмentation for all that I have claimed.  There is no reason why I should waste my time on producing these things again and again for you, merely for you to say "but that isn't proof" and make some excuse to ignore it. You may reread my old posts if you really want to see it.

If there is anybody new to this issue who wants to know about these things, let me know.  I will find my earlier posts or explain it again for you.  
I can read.  I don't need your spin.  Every time you post you qualify it with some twisted idea to escape the obvious.  You've actually said that Thomas Aquinas was your proof that earth is a globe when he didn't teach it at all.  He mentioned it.  Period.  He taught nothing about it, never compared it to Scripture, never expounded on it using the Fathers. You have continued to say that you proved the Church supported the globe earth, but failed in every way to show She did.  Certainly not at the Galileo Affair, which you assert. Conversely, I've shown multiple Fathers and multiple Scripture quotes for claims that the Church supports, even teaches flat earth.  Not to mention dozens of proofs from math and science.  All you can do is parrot the pagan scientists, begging the question, obsess over which model had the greatest number of proponents and miss answering the posts you dare not address.  Your argument collapsed weeks ago, but I will be happy to slice and dice ad infinitum. 

Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2018, 02:53:57 PM »
You asked for a citation from a Catholic authority that teaches that the earth is a globe. So far, that citation has not been provided. Which makes sense, considering that the Church does not teach that the earth is a globe.
I explicitly defined Catholic authority as including Saints and Doctors of the Church.  It is perfectly possible to have statements from such even when there is no magisterial teaching (which is normally what is meant by "Church teaching").

And, in fact, this is the case with the question of globe earth.  There is no magisterial teaching explicitly saying the earth is a globe.  There are many Saints and Doctors who believed or taught that earth is a globe.  This is only to be expected of the predominant position throughout Catholic history.  I have provided quotes from a small proportion of the total number possible, but enough to support what I have claimed.

Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2018, 03:04:50 PM »
I explicitly defined Catholic authority as including Saints and Doctors of the Church.  It is perfectly possible to have statements from such even when there is no magisterial teaching (which is normally what is meant by "Church teaching").

And, in fact, this is the case with the question of globe earth.  There is no magisterial teaching explicitly saying the earth is a globe.  There are many Saints and Doctors who believed or taught that earth is a globe.  This is only to be expected of the predominant position throughout Catholic history.  I have provided quotes from a small proportion of the total number possible, but enough to support what I have claimed.
Again, do show us the many Saints and Doctors who taught earth is a globe.