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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2018, 06:06:35 AM »
Like most ancient peoples, the Hebrews believed the sky was a solid dome with the Sun, Moon, planets and stars embedded in it

The Copernican Revolution of the 16th century led to reconsideration of these matters. In 1554, John Calvin proposed that "firmament" be interpreted as clouds.[12] "He who would learn astronomy and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere," wrote Calvin.[12] "As it became a theologian, [Moses] had to respect us rather than the stars," Calvin wrote. Calvin's doctrine of accommodation allowed Protestants to accept the findings of science without rejecting the authority of scripture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament


In 1584, Giordano Bruno proposed a cosmology without firmament: an infinite universe in which the stars are actually suns with their own planetary systems.[16] After Galileo began using a telescope to examine the sky, it became harder to argue that the heavens were perfect, as Aristotelian philosophy required. By 1630, the concept of solid orbs was no longer dominant.[17]
In the same article you quote above, you will find:  

The Greeks and Stoics adopted a model of celestial spheres after the discovery of the spherical Earthin the 4th to 3rd centuries BCE. The Medieval Scholastics adopted a cosmology that fused the ideas of the Greek philosophers Aristotle and Ptolemy.[14] This cosmology involved celestial orbs, nested concentrically inside one another, with the earth at the center. The outermost orb contained the stars and the term firmament was then transferred to this orb. 

Note the last phrase:  "the term firmament was then transferred to this orb".  The word "firmament" changed its meaning to fit in with the traditional (spherical earth) geocentrism that was the consensus of Catholics for over a thousand years.  The use of the word "firmament" in the 16th century refers to this traditional Catholic sense.  It does not mean that anybody then believed the earth was flat with a dome over it.

While your partial quotes give an impression that the article disagrees with me, it is clear enough when one reads the whole thing that it supports what I have said.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2018, 06:07:58 AM »
Anyone with surveying experience knows this intuitively, ...

See, you keep saying stuff like this.  I am in search of scientific proof and not false assertions like this.  INTUITIVELY it looks like a boat is disappearing over the horizon.  But then you zoom in with a camera and can see the entire thing.  Visual observation is not proof.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2018, 06:11:21 AM »
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Since no one has managed to respond to the OP after 3 pages (while pretending to have responded) I'll post it again, with more material:
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Anybody who gives the flat earth idea the slightest amount of critical examination will realize that it's complete balderdash.  
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For at least some, their ignorance is willful and impudent, therefore quite repulsive.
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I have responded several times to the OP, that visual phenomenon does not prove globe earth.

And this here is an example of your obvious emotional attachment to the issue which makes it difficult to accept you as an unbiased source of factual information.

Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2018, 07:33:36 AM »
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"The math formula" is not applied correctly by flat-earthers. That's the point.
It's not perfect but it's close enough. Ballers think level means curved when it's convenient to their argument.

Re: "Flat" Earth -- Complete Balderdash
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2018, 07:34:54 AM »
This cracks me up. No one said it's necessary but holding to globe earth won't save you? LOL! This contradictory and unproven theory, as you call it, is the globe earth theory correct? The enemy is the Devil correct? Globe Earth is of the Devil according to you. You are saying this won't save a person who holds this opinion. There is no difference between either way of expressing it. You are a Dogmatic Flatearthist. You believe FE is a necessary aspect of faith. The way you just tried to hide it is silly.
Wow, it went way over your head didn't it!