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Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
« on: June 30, 2023, 07:59:53 AM »
Has this subject ever been discussed in Catholic theology? Has any saint ever given a reason for this kind of punishment in Hell? There are no simple happenings in God's works, so there must be a reason why He chose fire as the punishment in Hell rather than anything else.

Having studied the history of Pagan heliocentrism that took over Biblical and created geocentrism in both faith and reason in the past 400 years, resulting in the emergence of modern paganism, atheism and Modernism in the Catholic Church that has empties the churches, I am wondering is there a connection with the fire of Pagans and the Fire of Hell.

Copernicus's, Galileo's and Newton's heliocentrism originated from the pagan belief of the Earth and planets orbiting a central fire (the sun). Defined as a revelation of Scripture this fire based heresy was adopted into Catholic exegesis in 1820 that led to the elimination of the supernatural Creation by God being replaced with a natural evolution of creation by way of a Big Bang.

Reading a book on paganism that dominated the world after Noah's Flood, I came across this paragraph.

Sun worship was a prominent feature of the Hermetic philosophy.. The divine institution of sacrifice for sin by fire must be regarded as the foundation of the supposed spiritual efficacy of fire to purify the soul, the material type being substituted for the spiritual meaning. The supposed spiritual efficacy of fire to purify the soul, the material type being substituted for the spiritual meaning. The supposed spiritual efficacy of fire was recognised throughout paganism.  Continual fires were kept burning before all the altars of the Sun god, and in the case of the Incas of Peru, were kindled anew every year from the rays of the sun by means of a concave mirror of polished metal. In the rites of Zoroaster it was stated that "He who approached to the fire would receive a light from divinity" and again that "Through fire all the stains produced by generation would be purged away." "Fire," says Ovid, "purifies both shepherds and sheep." So also in the sacred books of the Hindus fire is thus addressed, “Thou thus expiate a sin against the Gods, thou dost expiate a sin against the manes (departed spirits), thou dost expiate a sin against my own soul, thou dost expiate repeated sin, thou dost expiate every sin which I have committed wilfully or unintentionally,”

    The supposed spiritual efficacy of fire and the apparent connection between Fire and the Sun as the source of the world’s heat would furnish the argument for sun worship. For if Fire, as an emanation from the Sun, was divine, then the sun was the source of all that is divine, and therefore God Himself, the source of spiritual life and regeneration. The Sun is also used in Scripture as the material type of God, and the general recognition of the type was no doubt made use of to give authority to the belief that the type was the reality. Now, when the Sun had come to be the manifestation of God, the dead king, as the promised seed of the woman and the incarnation of God, would of course, be identified with the Sun, and the two forms of idolatry would be combined.’---THE WORSHIP OF THE DEAD or THE ORIGIN AND NATURE OF PAGAN IDOLATRY by Colonel J. Garnier. London books, 1904.

If God chose the fire of Hell in response to pagan fire of history, that might explain the question.  

Offline Yeti

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Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2023, 08:03:11 AM »
Fire is the most painful thing there is. Also, God wanted people who chose creatures over Him to be punished by a creature.

What else do you think God could have used to torment the damned? Put them in a big hydraulic press and crush them for all eternity? Stab them over and over again forever? Or what?


Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2023, 09:26:33 AM »
Has this subject ever been discussed in Catholic theology? Has any saint ever given a reason for this kind of punishment in Hell? There are no simple happenings in God's works, so there must be a reason why He chose fire as the punishment in Hell rather than anything else.

Having studied the history of Pagan heliocentrism that took over Biblical and created geocentrism in both faith and reason in the past 400 years, resulting in the emergence of modern paganism, atheism and Modernism in the Catholic Church that has empties the churches, I am wondering is there a connection with the fire of Pagans and the Fire of Hell.

Copernicus's, Galileo's and Newton's heliocentrism originated from the pagan belief of the Earth and planets orbiting a central fire (the sun). Defined as a revelation of Scripture this fire based heresy was adopted into Catholic exegesis in 1820 that led to the elimination of the supernatural Creation by God being replaced with a natural evolution of creation by way of a Big Bang.

Reading a book on paganism that dominated the world after Noah's Flood, I came across this paragraph.

Sun worship was a prominent feature of the Hermetic philosophy.. The divine institution of sacrifice for sin by fire must be regarded as the foundation of the supposed spiritual efficacy of fire to purify the soul, the material type being substituted for the spiritual meaning. The supposed spiritual efficacy of fire to purify the soul, the material type being substituted for the spiritual meaning. The supposed spiritual efficacy of fire was recognised throughout paganism.  Continual fires were kept burning before all the altars of the Sun god, and in the case of the Incas of Peru, were kindled anew every year from the rays of the sun by means of a concave mirror of polished metal. In the rites of Zoroaster it was stated that "He who approached to the fire would receive a light from divinity" and again that "Through fire all the stains produced by generation would be purged away." "Fire," says Ovid, "purifies both shepherds and sheep." So also in the sacred books of the Hindus fire is thus addressed, “Thou thus expiate a sin against the Gods, thou dost expiate a sin against the manes (departed spirits), thou dost expiate a sin against my own soul, thou dost expiate repeated sin, thou dost expiate every sin which I have committed wilfully or unintentionally,”

    The supposed spiritual efficacy of fire and the apparent connection between Fire and the Sun as the source of the world’s heat would furnish the argument for sun worship. For if Fire, as an emanation from the Sun, was divine, then the sun was the source of all that is divine, and therefore God Himself, the source of spiritual life and regeneration. The Sun is also used in Scripture as the material type of God, and the general recognition of the type was no doubt made use of to give authority to the belief that the type was the reality. Now, when the Sun had come to be the manifestation of God, the dead king, as the promised seed of the woman and the incarnation of God, would of course, be identified with the Sun, and the two forms of idolatry would be combined.’---THE WORSHIP OF THE DEAD or THE ORIGIN AND NATURE OF PAGAN IDOLATRY by Colonel J. Garnier. London books, 1904.

If God chose the fire of Hell in response to pagan fire of history, that might explain the question. 
Fire as a 'thing' is really strange when you think about it... I mean it's fire.

Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2023, 10:51:19 AM »
Interesting question. Reminded me of this absurd theory that says that the origin of consciousness in hominids* were the hypnotic effects of staring at fire for extended periods of time. See Fire (unmpress.com).

From a spiritual point of view, that theory is tantamount to paganism. One could compare it to some sort of "god of fire" being the creator of the human soul. It is not a stretch to think that the true God would punish pagans with what they worship as the creator of their souls.

*hominids did not exist because evolution is a hoax.

Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2023, 11:07:19 AM »
As per the question itself, I don't know about Church fathers that had addressed it, but I think the answer should be along the lines of fire being able to consume things (turn them into dust) and also being perpetually in motion (in contrast with the peaceful tranquility of Heaven).

Some acid, for instance, would be able to consume things but, being a liquid it would be at rest once it has consumed them. One of the features of hell is the perpetuity of torment.