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Offline trad123

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Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2023, 01:58:37 PM »
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  • OK, so?  They're absolutely blocking out God's love, and that's what produces this effect on them ... despite the fact that physical metaphors fall short of describing it. 


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    Another metaphor that I use is that some find bliss in listening to classical music.  Others, however, if they're asked to listen to classical music, say, in music class in school, find it abhorrent, are crawling out of their skin with boredom and disgust, can't wait to get out of there, etc.  It's the same music, but it causes one happiness and another unhappiness and pain.  It's the same music, but different listeners.


    That's precisely my point.

    People that don't like classical music are not blocking it out when they hear it, truly they hear it.

    Likewise, if souls don't want God's love, and the fire is supposed to be God's love, then they're not blocking it out, they're experiencing it in anguish.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
    « Reply #31 on: September 07, 2023, 10:01:26 PM »
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  • OK, but I don't think anyone in hell is blocking it out.


    The vision of hell at Fatima:
    It think rejection might be more fitting, those who go to hell are fixed in their will against God.


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    Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
    « Reply #32 on: September 07, 2023, 10:04:18 PM »
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  • OK, so?  They're absolutely blocking out God's love, and that's what produces this effect on them ... despite the fact that physical metaphors fall short of describing it.  But you have to get your mind around the basic fact that God doesn't differ or change depending on who He's looking at or thinking of or interacting with.  God is the same, and so that same God Whom some experience as love, happiness, and peace, others experience as wrathful (even though He's the same God and is no different).  Another metaphor that I use is that some find bliss in listening to classical music.  Others, however, if they're asked to listen to classical music, say, in music class in school, find it abhorrent, are crawling out of their skin with boredom and disgust, can't wait to get out of there, etc.  It's the same music, but it causes one happiness and another unhappiness and pain.  It's the same music, but different listeners.

    There was the story of a saint who saw hell and pleaded with God to let a soul out of Hell.  So God did so and put the soul in Heaven.  That soul absolutely hated it there, couldn't stand it.  So the saint asked God to at least put the soul in Purgatory.  At that point the soul complained that it was neither here nor there and felt ill at ease.  So God then responded by letting the soul pick where he wanted to go.  And the soul dove right back into Hell.  It's ultimately where he wanted to be.  No one goes to Hell who doesn't choose to go there.  To extend my analogy with the music, some people can't get enough of wild parties, loud music, drugs, impurity, etc.  It's all they think about, partying.  For those of us with our sensibilities, the thought of spending even a minute at one of these parties is repugnant.  So they choose what they want, and we choose what we want.
    I agree. And I thank God for giving me the grace to despise these worldly things. Honestly sometimes I think ordering groceries by delivery would be worth not having to hear the music at the supermarkets....though it's a suffering I can offer up to God.

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    Re: Why did God chose FIRE in Hell as the ultimate punishment?
    « Reply #33 on: September 08, 2023, 04:25:20 AM »
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  • Interesting debate lads. 
    Ever heard of someone living on Earth who wanted to go to Hell? Surely that wish happens when one dies and is judged to go to Hell. The thought terrifies me. Fear of Hell is enough to keep anyone on the straight and narrow. Hell is probably filled with people who didn't believe it exists.