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Offline Bonaventure

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Re: Where to buy precious metals
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2024, 09:18:17 AM »
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  • Premiums is why I do not think metals are a good investment. Sure it could be, but the premium alone automatically puts you in a loss.

    I wouldn't get too caught up in the "premium" issue.  It's widely misunderstood in connection with precious metals ("PM").

    First, part of the "premium" paid for government minted coins (as opposed to pure bullion in the form of rounds or ingots) is partly peace of mind in connection with authenticity, exchangeability and that it can be used as a form of payment (including payment of debt and taxes). While obviously not a good investment, a $1 Silver Eagle could be used as a form of payment of debt/taxes to the tune of $1; general bullion cannot. Government minted coins are also more recognizable, and trustworthy, which adds to their intrinsic value, beyond their actual PM content.  Which isn't to say that government minted coins cannot be counterfeited, but doing so takes much more time and effort than say, for example, an ingot of unknown provenance. Thus some are willing to pay more for a minted coin vis-a-vis an ingot or round. 

    Second, there is a general misunderstanding between "spot price" and the price one can actually get their hands on the physical.  Understand that the PM markets are highly influenced by the larger banks, especially within ETF's, and that as a result, especially when it comes to Ag, "spot price" does not always reflect the real-world price of obtaining the physical.  In that regard, and setting aside for the moment the issue of the "premium" paid for government minted coins, it is partly incorrect to consider the difference between spot and physical as a "premium," but instead should be looked at, in part, as to how far off, or rather suppressed, the spot market price is in relation to the actual cost of obtaining the physical. For example, I mentioned in a previous post that several years ago I was paying about a $2.50 "premium" for Ag Eagles, but at the same time I was also paying about $1 over spot (about 6.7%) to obtain bullion.  Now, in each instance, there's obviously seller fees (read: arbitrage), but the "spot price" and real-world price of obtaining the physical were not that far off.  Fast forward to the early stages of the scamdemic, to about the summer of 2020, wherein the spot price of Ag had not risen all that much, but the real world demand of the physical was pushing the cost to about $20 or more per troy ounce.  This difference, while called by some a "premium," was really an indication of how far off the paper market was in relation to real-world demand. 

    So why the difference in the spot price vs. real-world demand for the physical?  Well, I'm no expert in this area, but it is my understanding that this again goes back to the larger banks, and more especially the ETF's.  While in theory, if you were to buy a share of an ETF, you could bring that share to the bank and exchange that share for its equivalent in the physical.  In other words, when a bank issues ETF shares, they are supposed to back every single share up with its equivalent physical. But they don't.  And that's why the market, especially the Ag market, has been so manipulated.  If there were a run on the physical in connection with ETF's, my guess is that a few major banks would be going under.   


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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #16 on: January 24, 2024, 11:30:14 AM »
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  • While in theory, if you were to buy a share of an ETF, you could bring that share to the bank and exchange that share for its equivalent in the physical.  In other words, when a bank issues ETF shares, they are supposed to back every single share up with its equivalent physical. But they don't.  And that's why the market, especially the Ag market, has been so manipulated.  If there were a run on the physical in connection with ETF's, my guess is that a few major banks would be going under.
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    I would never buy one of these precious metals shares, or whatever they are. Buying precious metal means having it shipped to your house. It doesn't mean buying a piece of paper from some company that tell you you own that metal. Same goes for these companies that claim to store a bunch of gold and silver in some vault somewhere, and when you buy gold or silver from them, that amount becomes "yours", but you don't actually have any legal right to take possession of it. :facepalm:

    That's almost as ridiculous as buying Bitcoin.


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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #17 on: January 24, 2024, 12:12:15 PM »
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    I would never buy one of these precious metals shares, or whatever they are. Buying precious metal means having it shipped to your house. It doesn't mean buying a piece of paper from some company that tell you you own that metal. Same goes for these companies that claim to store a bunch of gold and silver in some vault somewhere, and when you buy gold or silver from them, that amount becomes "yours", but you don't actually have any legal right to take possession of it. :facepalm:

    That's almost as ridiculous as buying Bitcoin.

    First, I never suggested that one should be buying ETF's. That being said, I have owned (past tense) shares in Ag ETF's and made money of them.  YMMV

    Second, do not forget that a share of an ETF is really no different than a share in Ford... it's not like you're going to go down to Ford corporate headquarters with share in hand and demand a piece of the company.  ETF's are exactly what they sound like... Exchanged Traded Funds. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #18 on: January 24, 2024, 06:10:26 PM »
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  • …While in theory, if you were to buy a share of an ETF, you could bring that share to the bank and exchange that share for its equivalent in the physical.  In other words, when a bank issues ETF shares, they are supposed to back every single share up with its equivalent physical. But they don't.  And that's why the market, especially the Ag market, has been so manipulated.  If there were a run on the physical in connection with ETF's, my guess is that a few major banks would be going under.

    Yes, a key point. The amount of paper gold is multiples of the amount of physical gold and that paper is how the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan manipulates (suppresses!!!) the prices of physical PMs (and every other commodity in the markets). 


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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #19 on: January 24, 2024, 06:17:43 PM »
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  • That's almost as ridiculous as buying Bitcoin.

    Mixed Bitcoin is an excellent way to move money across borders, especially in an emergency.

    While Bitcoin has its risks, a modest investment a decade ago has increased 20-fold.  If it collapsed tomorrow, I wouldn't even notice.  If it doesn't collapse tomorrow, I can enjoy the increase at will.

    Anyone who invests in anything with money they cannot afford to lose is a FOOL. Only a JACKASS would "invest" their home or food budget in anything.

    Whether cryptocurrency or at the craps table, Catholics are allowed to gamble within the limits of prudence.



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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #20 on: January 24, 2024, 06:32:57 PM »
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  • To elaborate, Bitcoin is NOT anonymous.  In the early days, Bitcoin could be purchased anonymously at BTC ATMs up to the then-limit of $1000 imposed by (((FinCen))). No longer true. Today face-to-face transactions (e.g., Craigslist)  are the closest you can come to anonymous BTC purchases.

    To further anonymize Bitcoin, mixing services have arisen.  You deposit your pseudonymous BTC into a pool, then withdraw it from the pool. The withdrawals should be in random amounts and at random times, so that they cannot be tracked and back-tracked. Then your BTC is truly anonymous.  The obvious risk is that the owner of the pool absconds with all your BTC. Again, you don't do this with your rent money! You do this with money you can afford to lose.  That said, there are mixer pools operating several years without a hiccup. The owner of the pool charges an infinitessimal fee per transaction. That is how the owner makes his honest money in anonymizing your BTC.

    There are some cryptocurrencies that are inherently anonymous, e.g., Monero. Providing that you don't make "meatspace" mistakes such as purchasing Monero using your credit card through one of the tattletale cryptocoin exchanges, you can preserve the full anonymity.

    Incidentally, the next BTC reward halving is expected in April. Today the reward for mining a BTC block is 6.25 BTC per block. When the next 12,782 blocks are mined, expected in April, the reward will fall to 3.125 BTC per block.  Historically the value/price of BTC has doubled with each reward halving (due to the power and equipment costs of cryptomining).  There is no guarantee that will be true in the future. It is a gamble.

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #21 on: January 25, 2024, 02:45:10 PM »
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  • Costco sells 1 oz. gold bars at a pretty good price.

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #22 on: January 25, 2024, 03:22:39 PM »
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  • Costco sells 1 oz. gold bars at a pretty good price.
    Bullion coins have the advantage of being somewhat recognizable with published weights, dimensions, and images that make counterfeit coins recognizable. There are even inexpensive kits to detect counterfeits, e.g.,: https://www.thefisch.com/ 

    Even among "gold bugs" how many would be readily able to detect counterfeit Costco ingots? I couldn't.


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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #23 on: January 27, 2024, 05:29:16 AM »
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  • Premiums is why I do not think metals are a good investment. Sure it could be, but the premium alone automatically puts you in a loss.
    Precious metals are not necessarily an investment…I.e. they make you reasonable profit over the normal rate of inflation over time.  Rather, they are a security that never losses value.  For example, a box of $100 dollar bills were almost worthless in 1929 but a box of gold coins never lost their value.  If inflation continues to rise, and worse yet, the dollar crashes…your precious metals will hold their value.  “Hedging your bett” comes to mind.

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #24 on: January 28, 2024, 04:47:32 PM »
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  • Even as someone who sees some utility in BTC, I find this quite intriguing: https://twitter.com/JackStr42679640/status/1749557613136953528

    and this: Bitcoin is worth nothing https://stopshoutingblog.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-worth-nothing

    N.B. The author acknowledges the utility of other truly anonymous cryptocurrency (e.g., Monero) that is not (((manipulated))) using ETFs.

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #25 on: January 28, 2024, 07:13:57 PM »
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  • Given SHTF scenarios, I don't think precious metals will be worth anything.

    Cartons of cigarettes will probably make better currency, and the rest will be bartered.  You can't eat gold or silver.

    And the Jєωocracy could simply outlaw the use of gold/silver as currency, as FDRosenfeld did.


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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #26 on: January 28, 2024, 08:08:12 PM »
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  • Even as someone who sees some utility in BTC, I find this quite intriguing: https://twitter.com/JackStr42679640/status/1749557613136953528

    and this: Bitcoin is worth nothing https://stopshoutingblog.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-worth-nothing

    N.B. The author acknowledges the utility of other truly anonymous cryptocurrency (e.g., Monero) that is not (((manipulated))) using ETFs.
    There is reasonable evidence to believe that Satoshi may be Sergey Nazarov the CEO of Chainlink. Pic related


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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #27 on: January 28, 2024, 09:07:34 PM »
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  • SHTF scenarios are hard to predict.  But I doubt any PM will go to zero.  Other forms of currency may pop up, but having some PM coins of known value (and not just junk) will no doubt be quite helpful.

    And a good supply of bandages.

    And BIC lighters.

    https://powersfirearmstraining.com/resources/Words%20from%20a%20Bosnian%20Survivalist.pdf

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #28 on: January 28, 2024, 10:58:54 PM »
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  • There is reasonable evidence to believe that Satoshi may be Sergey Nazarov the CEO of Chainlink. Pic related



    The identify of "Satoshi" and his lineage are key to identifying whether or not BTC is part of the banksters' agenda leading us to CBDC or intended as a genuine tool freeing us from (((them))). For that reason, it is in their interests to ramp up the cognitive infiltration to hide the truth with a maze of dead-end leads. At this point, all we can do is plot data points and speculate.

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    Re: Where to buy precious metals
    « Reply #29 on: January 28, 2024, 11:00:33 PM »
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  • Given SHTF scenarios, I don't think precious metals will be worth anything.

    Cartons of cigarettes will probably make better currency, and the rest will be bartered.  You can't eat gold or silver.

    And the Jєωocracy could simply outlaw the use of gold/silver as currency, as FDRosenfeld did.
    The precious metals brass and lead will be priceless beyond valuation.

    Keep stacking cases.

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    SHTF scenarios are hard to predict.  But I doubt any PM will go to zero.  Other forms of currency may pop up, but having some PM coins of known value (and not just junk) will no doubt be quite helpful.

    And a good supply of bandages.

    And BIC lighters.

    https://powersfirearmstraining.com/resources/Words%20from%20a%20Bosnian%20Survivalist.pdf

    Now that is "diversity" that I can wholeheartedly support!