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Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2021, 02:07:20 PM »
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  • I agree that car expense should be a "necessary evil" and therefore as low as possible. Also keep in mind that a car is a depreciating asset. So the less of your wealth you have wasting away every year, the better!

    Once you get down to the $500 - $2000 range, it doesn't depreciate *at all* and that is how you improve your financial position immensely. At that price point, the car can't go any lower in value, as long as it *runs* and is roadworthy.

    I've made money on cars this old. I bought a 1994 Saturn in 2004 for $1200 (got a $200 "extended family discount") and later sold it for $1800. So even without the family discount, I would have made money. After driving it for 2 years. It wasn't close family either -- the boyfriend of a cousin of mine (who I'm not close to) worked at a Saturn dealership and he rebuilt the engine on said car. It got great gas mileage too, about 35 MPG. The car body was mostly plastic.

    I used it to move all my stuff from Illinois to Texas. I was pretty spartan when I first got out of the seminary! hahaha
    And you know it's more impressive to use a compact car as a moving van *cross country* as opposed to across the city. When the trip is 1200 miles, you can't make multiple trips!
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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #16 on: February 24, 2021, 02:20:24 PM »
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    Yikes, no. It sounds like you just want something to get you there, and you don't want to spend more than you have to. If that is the case, you definitely do not want a car that is only two or three years old.
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    Get yourself a car that is about 15-20 years old, and get something made by Honda or Toyota. An Accord, Civic, Camry or Corolla from that time period (the 2000s decade) is new enough to have the technology and quality engineering to last basically forever, and old enough to have depreciated almost all of its value. A Camry or Corolla from the 2000s will run you a few grand at the most, and as long as it hasn't really been trashed, will last longer than you are able to drive it.
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    Car manufacturers improved design and manufacturing methods of their cars every year until they finally reached a point where the car is made so well that it will last so long that it is more likely to reach the end of its life through an accident than through mechanical failure. I'd say Honda and Toyota crossed that line around the turn of the century. At this point, once you buy a car made then or after, it will likely last longer than you will, as long as you perform the maintenance in the manual and change the fluids at the appropriate time.
    There is a lot of good information in this thread, and I deeply appreciate everyone taking the time and effort to help me.  Right now I have the car back from the shop, and it seems to be running fine, but the car has been trouble from Day One and if it is fine today, that doesn't mean it will be fine tomorrow.  2009 Buick Lacrosse made in Oshawa, Ontario.  Avoid this particular car like the plague.  Remember that Simple Man cares :laugh1:

    I'm replying to this particular post because you, Yeti, most closely reflect my concerns.  It's not entirely true that I just want a "here to there" car.  I am buying this as what I hope will either be my last car, or my next-to-last car, before I'm not around anymore.  I just turned 60 (people guess 10-12 years younger unless I tell them).  Perhaps $20K is overpaying, but I want to get Carmax's assurances and the "stand behind it" factor.  This figure was for two identical 2018 Camrys with 20-25K miles on them.  I figure that, at this point, the possibility of the car being a lemon from the factor is pretty much gotten out of the way --- if something serious were to go wrong with it, it would have happened by now.  I also want the car to be in fairly good cosmetic shape on the inside.  This may be picayune, but a USB port and other such connectivity is also something I want.  Right now, if my son has his phone or other unit playing it while we're driving, we have to use one of those FM transmitters, the quality of which is dodgy at best. I don't care for Bluetooth, I'd prefer USB connectivity. Of the two 2018 cars from Carmax, one was a fleet vehicle, whereas the other one was one-owner.  All other things being equal, I have to think a fleet car has been better taken care of --- there's more accountability.

    Things like rear cameras, while very useful, are optional for me.  I'm not that fancy.  What I WOULD like is a rear backup alarm, to alert people on parking lots and such, that I'm backing up.  I used to have one on my Ford Taurus, very easy to install on the rear brake lights.  Putting one on the Buick, if it were even possible, would take an act of Congress --- the rear lights are that difficult to replace.


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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #17 on: February 24, 2021, 02:30:03 PM »
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  • SimpleMan, I agree with you.  There's nothing worse than car hunting or car repair.  But if you want to save a little cash, you can get a car with 40k miles and it might be better value; might only be around $15,000.  So instead of a 1-2 yr old car with 25k miles, get a 2-3 yr old car with 40k miles.
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    Also, you can install a new radio into any car, with USB ports, AUX ports, satellite, pandora, iphone hookups, CD, etc.  Would cost you $125 and a few hours to install.  Or you could probably pay your son to install.  Once you figure out how to take apart the console, and unscrew some things, hooking up the radio is easy.
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    A car 2-3 yrs old still might have a rear alarm too.  ...At the end of the day, with all the issues you've had fixing cars, I can see why you'd want to get one that will last.  I'd choose a one-owner all day, everyday, over any rental or company owned car.  My insurance friend says one-owner cars are the best.  Usually taken care of.  Good luck!

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #18 on: February 24, 2021, 02:37:11 PM »
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  • Also, you can install a new radio into any car, with USB ports, AUX ports, satellite, pandora, iphone hookups, CD, etc.  Would cost you $125 and a few hours to install.  Or you could probably pay your son to install.  Once you figure out how to take apart the console, and unscrew some things, hooking up the radio is easy.
    I second this. You can get any interfaces you want then.

    Another option -- get a $30 bluetooth speaker and use that to blast music while you're in the car. It can be quite loud if you get a good one. The upside is that you don't have to worry about theft -- just take the bluetooth speaker with you. OR, keep it under the seat/glove box, and if your $30 speaker is stolen, just buy another! Then you can keep hundreds of MP3s on your smartphone and listen to them. That's how our family gets music in the car these days -- and we're a VERY musical family.

    But I'd like to add: there are plenty of businesses, including Best Buy (where you might buy the car stereo to begin with) that offer installation for $150 or so. That's how I always did it back in the day.

    But you can get a lot of stereos, professional installs, and bluetooth speakers when you're saving THOUSANDS of dollars on a vehicle --
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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #19 on: February 24, 2021, 04:46:50 PM »
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  • I bought a fantastic device for my child's Yaris.  A 16 dollar Bluetooth media player that takes either a USB connection or a micro SD card.  I have 8GB of MP3 songs and audio books on there.  You tune it to the FM Radio in the car.  When you start the engine it plays from where you last were listening.  Had it for a year and used it heavily.  Change cars not a problem just plug it in any car with a 12V port or cigarette lighter. 


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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #20 on: February 24, 2021, 06:50:45 PM »
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  • SimpleMan, I agree with you.  There's nothing worse than car hunting or car repair.  But if you want to save a little cash, you can get a car with 40k miles and it might be better value; might only be around $15,000.  So instead of a 1-2 yr old car with 25k miles, get a 2-3 yr old car with 40k miles.
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    Also, you can install a new radio into any car, with USB ports, AUX ports, satellite, pandora, iphone hookups, CD, etc.  Would cost you $125 and a few hours to install.  Or you could probably pay your son to install.  Once you figure out how to take apart the console, and unscrew some things, hooking up the radio is easy.
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    A car 2-3 yrs old still might have a rear alarm too.  ...At the end of the day, with all the issues you've had fixing cars, I can see why you'd want to get one that will last.  I'd choose a one-owner all day, everyday, over any rental or company owned car.  My insurance friend says one-owner cars are the best.  Usually taken care of.  Good luck!
    Actually, I'm just as much, if not more so, concerned about lower mileage, as I am about age.  Maybe it's being narcissistic, but I want to feel like I'm driving an almost-new car.  I hear what you are saying about one-owner cars, but when anyone lets an enviable, fairly new car go, maybe I'm just being cynical here, but my first thought is "why did they want to get rid of such a nice car?".  Maybe they just wanted a newer model.  Maybe there were life circuмstances that forced a sale.   Maybe they couldn't make the payments.  No way to know, and I think in a case like this, having a prudent skepticism has to trump sentiments of fraternal charity and "assuming the best about people".  I can't help but think that with a fleet car, it's more of a business decision, and has nothing to do with anything "wrong" with the car.

    Needless to say, a lot of "maybes" there.  This is nothing I have to do immediately.

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #21 on: February 24, 2021, 10:20:06 PM »
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  • I love my Honda Pilot, 2005.  We have a relative in the family that sees to Honda dealerships in the United States. Yeah! He told me that my Honda is good for 300, 000 miles. He drives a Honda CRV. The only vehicle that was very nice and we owned was a Volvo wagon, straight from the factory. You must have mechanics with an ear for them and only vovlo parts.  Oh, I have just under 90,000 on my 2005. 

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #22 on: February 24, 2021, 10:36:40 PM »
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  • I love my Honda Pilot, 2005.  We have a relative in the family that sees to Honda dealerships in the United States. Yeah! He told me that my Honda is good for 300, 000 miles. He drives a Honda CRV. The only vehicle that was very nice and we owned was a Volvo wagon, straight from the factory. You must have mechanics with an ear for them and only vovlo parts.  Oh, I have just under 90,000 on my 2005.
    I have thought about a Volvo, but they aren't the easiest to get worked on, nor, I would assume, is it as easy to get parts for them.  But they are reputed to last forever.


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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #23 on: February 24, 2021, 11:52:20 PM »
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  • People get rid of cars for the stupidest reasons.  Sometimes a tax advantage.  Sometimes a newer model comes out and they want to keep up with the Jones. 

    When I pay 10 percent of the cost of a new car, have zero debt and very little depreciation I can lavish new fluids, tyres, wiper blades, rainX, upgraded headlight bulbs, and make it as reliable as when it rolled out the factory.

    At Fatima we were told to avoid luxury.  Using a second hand car or minivan for a family seems to me, at least in my country, to be doing that.  A 5000 dollar spend every 8 years rather than a 20000 dollar spend every 5 years.  Over 30 years of bringing up a family that is 20,000 on cars versus 120 000

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #24 on: March 10, 2021, 06:54:38 PM »
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  • I have thought about a Volvo, but they aren't the easiest to get worked on, nor, I would assume, is it as easy to get parts for them.  But they are reputed to last forever.
    I know, answering one's own post, tacky, tacky, tacky...
    I was actually looking at Volvos tonight on Carmax, and contrary to what I would have thought, they are not astronomically priced.  The conventional wisdom is that mileage doesn't matter, as Volvos supposedly last forever.
    My apprehension would be more getting them worked on, parts for them, and mechanics who are used to working with them.  I live in an urban area large enough, that I am sure Volvo repair is readily available with no hassle, whereas if I were out in the sticks, that'd be a problem.  I've never had occasion to look into it before.  I know I saw a Volvo on the parking lot at Walmart that made me salivate, the old-school, kind of boxy design, as opposed to the more aerodynamic-looking bodies of more recent years.
    Any Volvo fans here, or any wisdom, yea or nay, on the Volvo?

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #25 on: June 27, 2021, 10:43:16 PM »
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  • I am going to the dealership out in the county tomorrow to look at the 2021 Toyota Camry.  $25K and change.  I really do not want to get something used, the mileage is usually pretty high, and there is not all that much of a price break, moreover, I don't want the Damoclean sword of wondering just why the other guy traded it in, and what could be wrong with it, that doesn't show up on the Carfax report. 

    I have thought it over, and my son and I would never be going car camping enough, if at all, to justify the Toyota 4Runner, the reduced gas mileage, the higher price, the higher car insurance, and so on.  I've found that Camrys hold their value, and the price of a 2017-2020 Camry isn't that much less than a new one.  And with a new car, you're not buying someone else's problems, and you have the warranty on top of that.

    The front tires on my father's Cadillac that we're now driving, are balder than I am, and I can't justify putting tires on it right now.  So we are just going to park it for now, he'll never be driving it again.  My son wheedled me into letting him drive it on a vacant parking lot the other day, and so far, driving comes naturally to him.  His grandpa has told him "that is your car", and he is very protective of it.  I reminded him that no teenager drives a Cadillac, but he doesn't care, that's what he's determined to learn to drive on.  So be it.


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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #26 on: June 28, 2021, 11:52:13 AM »
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  • 3rd gen Prius - best overall car we have ever owned.

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #27 on: June 28, 2021, 10:10:01 PM »
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  • I bought the 2021 Toyota Camry LE this evening.  Just got it home a little while ago.  More electronics than the space shuttle, and I probably don't exaggerate by much.  I managed to get it home in the driving rain while becoming accustomed to its features, and it is feature-rich, I'll give it that much.

    This will be my car for at least the next 7 to 8 years.  Totally maxed out my car budget and then some.  Had to put down $3000 to get the payments down to where I wanted them.  I was prepared to put down $2000, but that wasn't enough.  I'll be paying it off in the next year or so anyway.

    So my requests for car advice will now come to a close.  Thanks to everyone for your good advice.

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #28 on: June 28, 2021, 10:15:49 PM »
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  • 3rd gen Prius - best overall car we have ever owned.
    I considered a Prius but didn't want to go that route.  My gut instinct told me I should go for more traditional technology.

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    Re: What year of Toyota Camry is the best?
    « Reply #29 on: June 28, 2021, 10:50:00 PM »
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  • My parents, then sister, then nephew in turn had a 2003 Toyota Camry station wagon.  My nephew sold it to someone while in college, 2019, and got $1200 for it.  It had over 300,000 miles on it and still ran just fine.  It had the original engine and transmission.  While in the family, it was extremely well cared for, first by our father, then by my nephew.  They did own routine maintenance.