The End

A lot of bearing false witness going on here.

I am a traditional Catholic. I never called anyone a crazy extremist. I told someone else that they were making up a crazy conspiracy theory about something completely unrelated to the Covid shot.

I didn't realize that you were the owner of this forum. I thought you were just a mod. Absolutely solidifies my decision to leave here permanently if you would just hurry up and delete my account. But actually prefer that you start by deleting the name of the priest that you quoted earlier.

I'm sorry, but actions speak louder than words.
You know about CathInfo, you have an account here, and you're plenty handy with a computer. But you have no desire to hang out with us "Trads". Nothing in your beliefs, lifestyle, or habits inclines you towards the company of Trads. Your actions say this.
I'm not directly accusing you of the words "crazy extremist", etc. I'm saying you're ACTING as if that's what you think of us. Talk is cheap. Actions are what matter.

I'm not seeing much from you that screams "Trad". If you're "with" the Modern world, enough to fall for the Cooties-19 madness, you can't be very Trad. A worldly Trad at best. You trust the world? Really? You trust the Media too I suppose? There are some things common to all serious Trads, and I'm not talking about accidental things either, but things ESSENTIAL to being a Trad.

What is a Trad, essentially? Someone who believes there is a Crisis in the Church, and reacts by adhering to the Tridentine Mass -- and not asking permission from Rome, because they obviously were infiltrated at Vatican II. And we don't need permission from any man to keep the Faith and save our soul. If you don't believe there was a major infiltration of Freemasons, etc. into the Church, you aren't a real Trad. You might be a "Latin Mass" Indult Catholic, fond of "smells & bells", but you know nothing of the Crisis in the Church. You might think Vatican II went too far, or that "Vatican II was never truly implemented", or we need "a reform of the reform" -- but those things don't make you Trad. Conservative Catholic maybe -- but not a Trad.

If you think the world is IN ANY WAY your friend, especially the Modern World, you can't really be a Trad. It's an oxymoron. If the world is fine and trustworthy, then BY ALL MEANS go (re-)join the Conciliar Church which is fundamentally different from the Catholic Church PRECISELY due to its stance towards the modern world. The essence of Vatican II was opening up to the modern world. The Catholic Church + Liberty, Fraternity, Equality + Modernism = the Conciliar Church. So if you're open to the modern world, and don't consider it your mortal enemy, you really belong with the Conciliar Church.

I realize that imprudence and/or stupidity are not a crime.
I would also point out that when I say "Brogan is not a Trad"
A. That is just my opinion
B. That doesn't mean he's excommunicated, not Catholic, or going to Hell.

I guess I just have a firm belief that "words mean things" and that there are objective definitions associated with certain terms, such as "Trad".
Not everyone who attends a "Latin Mass" once is a Trad. It is what it is.

And it's not my arbitrary definition, either. I'm talking about what everyone has called a "Trad" for the past 50 years. Attending the Tridentine Mass exclusively, staying away from the Novus Ordo and Conciliar Church, being completely pre-Vatican II in your Catholicism, and obviously being somewhat wary of the world. After all, if The World was hunky-dory, then how did Vatican 2 sin by opening itself up to the Modern World? Wouldn't that be a good thing?

Trad used to be called "Catholic". Now we have to say "Trad Catholic" (or Trad for short). Part of Trad is adhering to pre-Vatican II morality, which means everything Catholics always believed was a sin, is STILL a sin. That makes us seem extremely "prudish" to the Modern World, and that is just the beginning of why Trads *can't* fit in or accept the Modern World. It's like fire and water.

I think I'm being pretty objective here.  I think having a certain minimum of "bunker mentality" (us vs. them, the chosen vs. "those outside", etc.) is essential, not just accidental, to the Traditional movement. I mean, aloofness from the Conciliar Church (which is Catholic Church + Modern World) is one of the basic tenets of being a Trad. Rejecting the Conciliar Church is our raison d^etre. How can you be aloof from something and accept it at the same time?

Agree, it’s important to keep clarifying, explaining and protecting the Trad “brand”.  It has certainly been watered down. 

I was talking to a catholic woman once and she said that she considered herself a “traditional” catholic.  “Oh, really?” I said, and I inquired more about her catholic history and church attendance.  Come to find out….she had never been to a Latin mass.    I was confused, to put it mildly. 

Her comment was not part of a debate or anything but a casual comment related to her church background etc.  She wasn’t even indult.  But she did seem quite “conservative” in her manners and ideas of the Faith.  I thought to myself, “How did the idea of Tradition get divorced from the Latin mass?”  This is, at least, the bare minimum connection.  Still puzzles me. 

So, yes, to your point, it is important to keep redefining what a Trad is and used to be. 

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Wow.  Who knew Croix was loaded?