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Offline Zeitun

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Truth is the New Hate Speech
« on: May 03, 2013, 12:17:09 PM »
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  • "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

    George Orwell


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    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 01:03:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

    George Orwell
    They nailed Truth to the cross two thousand years ago.

    Nothing new here, it's been "hate speech" for quite some time now.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 07:28:00 AM »
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  • The hate speech today is the refusal to worship historical lies. Catholics who pay tribute to  today's gods, just as those in Roman times, are spared.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 07:07:44 AM »
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    The hate speech today is the refusal to worship historical lies. Catholics who pay tribute to today's gods, just as those in Roman times, are spared.

    Well said, and that's why Bishop Williamson isn't spared, but "Bishop Fellay and his gang" is.

    God bless Bishop Williamson.  

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    « Reply #4 on: January 23, 2014, 02:43:14 PM »
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  • Is the historical account of the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" not outside the remit of a Catholic bishop?
    Should he not avoid talking about things he is not an expert in?


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    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 11:31:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: alaric
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    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

    George Orwell
    They nailed Truth to the cross two thousand years ago.

    Nothing new here, it's been "hate speech" for quite some time now.


    Most likely since the beginning. But as Catholics, I suppose going back 2,000 years is as good a place to start as any. Look what happened to the prophets throughout salvation history.

    So I suppose we have always been living in times of universal deceit. Christendom had a pretty good run at universal truth for about 1,000 of those years. But, it was always in danger of being overtaken by universal deceit.

    And gee, I wonder who could have undermined Christendom. Was there any large group of people living in Christendom that was not a part of it? Find them, if they exist, and you may be on to something. The mind reels at such a difficult problem. Almost like some aliens landed and started to spread all kinds of viruses. Who could this alien contingent possibly be?  

    As much as I admire Mr. Orwell, truth is never revolutionary. I don't recall him ever mentioning it, but it would be interesting to know what time and place he considered to be close to the ideal.  My guess is that he would say the 19th Century before advanced weaponry made it possible to bomb cities to the Stone Age. Which was an era free from the bonds of religion, science that was further justifying that freedom from the Church, but just before it got completely out of hand. Yes, I would think he thought we took a wrong turn after Darwin and ideas involving eugenics and never did understand that in a world without God, everything is permissible.

    I still enjoy him and think he is a great writer. But one must read him very critically, lest we deceive ourselves into thinking that the problem is much less than it really happens to be.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 01:35:40 PM »
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    And gee, I wonder who could have undermined Christendom. Was there any large group of people living in Christendom that was not a part of it?


    I can think of a particular group that fits this description and, with confidence, I think you could too!   :cool:

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    « Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 12:50:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Is the historical account of the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" not outside the remit of a Catholic bishop?
    Should he not avoid talking about things he is not an expert in?


    I think he's doing it because he realizes that the h0Ɩ0cαųst is used to "prove" that the roman catholic church is the font of all evil in the world.  We are constantly told that if you go to the "right" far enough, you end up in nαzι germany, but the reality is you end up in vatican city, not berlin in 1932!  The reason for that is that the "left" represents a revolt against the natural order that God established and the catholic church teaches and will even coerce/promote coercion of submission to that natural order that God established.  Hence, the "left's" defense of things like gαy marriage and the "rights" opposition to things like that.

    When you look at left wing classics, like Adorno's book, "the authoritarian personality," the connection/the perceived connection between catholicism and nαzιsm/anti-semitism becomes clearer.  So, because of this powerful perception in american political thought, if you defend nαzι germany from charges of murdering six million Jєωs, you are really defending (at least subconsciously) the catholic church from the charge of murdering six million Jєωs and of course, for being the cause of anti-semitism in the world, since the Jєωs are "charged" with the murder of Christ (deicide), by catholicism.  

    I think bishop williamson is trying to make the case that catholicism is not out to murder all the Jєωs, because the nαzιs weren't out to do that and that while we should pray for the Jєωs, recognizing their bad influence and behavior as a group is not "sick," but rather evidence of good mental health!  

    We are true israel and israel is in bondage.  


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    « Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 01:29:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Renzo
    Quote from: soulguard
    Is the historical account of the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" not outside the remit of a Catholic bishop?
    Should he not avoid talking about things he is not an expert in?


    I think he's doing it because he realizes that the h0Ɩ0cαųst is used to "prove" that the roman catholic church is the font of all evil in the world.  We are constantly told that if you go to the "right" far enough, you end up in nαzι germany, but the reality is you end up in vatican city, not berlin in 1932!  The reason for that is that the "left" represents a revolt against the natural order that God established and the catholic church teaches and will even coerce/promote coercion of submission to that natural order that God established.  Hence, the "left's" defense of things like gαy marriage and the "rights" opposition to things like that.

    When you look at left wing classics, like Adorno's book, "the authoritarian personality," the connection/the perceived connection between catholicism and nαzιsm/anti-semitism becomes clearer.  So, because of this powerful perception in american political thought, if you defend nαzι germany from charges of murdering six million Jєωs, you are really defending (at least subconsciously) the catholic church from the charge of murdering six million Jєωs and of course, for being the cause of anti-semitism in the world, since the Jєωs are "charged" with the murder of Christ (deicide), by catholicism.  

    I think bishop williamson is trying to make the case that catholicism is not out to murder all the Jєωs, because the nαzιs weren't out to do that and that while we should pray for the Jєωs, recognizing their bad influence and behavior as a group is not "sick," but rather evidence of good mental health!  



    Are you serious? Glad to know that you and Bishop Williamson think it is a great idea to promote the idea that Catholicism is not out to murder all the Jєωs. Do you have a ballpark figure as to what percent you think he thinks ought to be liquidated?

    I am familiar with Adorno, but not that book. I will take your word for it that the quote exists. But how does Bishop Williamson opening his mouth here do anything to neutralize such a quote or thought?

    Let the nαzιs, or their progeny defend themselves. The last thing a Catholic priest or bishop should ever be doing is make an attempt to whitewash their crimes.

    Might there be some truth that Germans did not gas Jєωs? Yes, I think that is possible. But even David Irving believes that millions were liquidated with bullets.

    Now who is going to listen to him when he talks about their (the Jєωs) bad influence on the so-called gentile population? By the way, I missed that sermon. Did he ever say anything like that?

    You know, I never heard him say what a pity it was that Catholic Poland was decimated by Germany and the Soviet Union. The only country in that war that had as its enemies the wartime and future enemies of the West. And, as a matter of fact, the West was also an enemy against Poland. Not coming to her aid, and at the end of the war presenting her as a gift to the USSR and Stalin.

    Of course they used her pilots in the Battle of Britain and were the first ones up the hill at Monte Cassino. Maybe that's why Bishop Williamson says he thought John Paull II was not that bright at one of his Resistance lectures, and added that many people think that Poles in general are not that bright.

    Not that we have ever been close to presenting the idea in recent times that Jєωs are, and have been, destructive to Europeans and Christendom, but his tactic set any hopes of that reality back many years. And one should wonder if he is on the payroll of the ADL. If not, he is so reckless as to merit an extended stay at a mental health facility.  

    Such a pity this bonehead could not realize that you can talk about the perfidious Jєωs without defending the goose-stepping goons of the Third Reich. And if it is just that Germany should be rehabilitated somewhat and that an explanation of sorts is due her from her point of view as regards the Jєωs, start by telling the entire sordid story of the destruction and betrayal of Poland and then work your way back.

    But it seems to me that would be impossible because it goes against the American Proposition. And after all, Germany became the most important client state in the Cold War as the U.S. switched sides for the second time against Catholic Poland. That little detail might interfere with all that Greatest Country that ever existed crap along with the Greatest Generation that went through the Depression and defeated the Germans and the Japs and made the world safe for Democracy that the Jєωs and their allies love to promote.


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    « Reply #9 on: January 29, 2014, 11:27:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Thurifer
    Quote from: Renzo
    Quote from: soulguard
    Is the historical account of the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" not outside the remit of a Catholic bishop?
    Should he not avoid talking about things he is not an expert in?


    I think he's doing it because he realizes that the h0Ɩ0cαųst is used to "prove" that the roman catholic church is the font of all evil in the world.  We are constantly told that if you go to the "right" far enough, you end up in nαzι germany, but the reality is you end up in vatican city, not berlin in 1932!  The reason for that is that the "left" represents a revolt against the natural order that God established and the catholic church teaches and will even coerce/promote coercion of submission to that natural order that God established.  Hence, the "left's" defense of things like gαy marriage and the "rights" opposition to things like that.

    When you look at left wing classics, like Adorno's book, "the authoritarian personality," the connection/the perceived connection between catholicism and nαzιsm/anti-semitism becomes clearer.  So, because of this powerful perception in american political thought, if you defend nαzι germany from charges of murdering six million Jєωs, you are really defending (at least subconsciously) the catholic church from the charge of murdering six million Jєωs and of course, for being the cause of anti-semitism in the world, since the Jєωs are "charged" with the murder of Christ (deicide), by catholicism.  

    I think bishop williamson is trying to make the case that catholicism is not out to murder all the Jєωs, because the nαzιs weren't out to do that and that while we should pray for the Jєωs, recognizing their bad influence and behavior as a group is not "sick," but rather evidence of good mental health!  



    Are you serious? Glad to know that you and Bishop Williamson think it is a great idea to promote the idea that Catholicism is not out to murder all the Jєωs. Do you have a ballpark figure as to what percent you think he thinks ought to be liquidated?

    I am familiar with Adorno, but not that book. I will take your word for it that the quote exists. But how does Bishop Williamson opening his mouth here do anything to neutralize such a quote or thought?

    Let the nαzιs, or their progeny defend themselves. The last thing a Catholic priest or bishop should ever be doing is make an attempt to whitewash their crimes.

    Might there be some truth that Germans did not gas Jєωs? Yes, I think that is possible. But even David Irving believes that millions were liquidated with bullets.

    Now who is going to listen to him when he talks about their (the Jєωs) bad influence on the so-called gentile population? By the way, I missed that sermon. Did he ever say anything like that?

    You know, I never heard him say what a pity it was that Catholic Poland was decimated by Germany and the Soviet Union. The only country in that war that had as its enemies the wartime and future enemies of the West. And, as a matter of fact, the West was also an enemy against Poland. Not coming to her aid, and at the end of the war presenting her as a gift to the USSR and Stalin.

    Of course they used her pilots in the Battle of Britain and were the first ones up the hill at Monte Cassino. Maybe that's why Bishop Williamson says he thought John Paull II was not that bright at one of his Resistance lectures, and added that many people think that Poles in general are not that bright.

    Not that we have ever been close to presenting the idea in recent times that Jєωs are, and have been, destructive to Europeans and Christendom, but his tactic set any hopes of that reality back many years. And one should wonder if he is on the payroll of the ADL. If not, he is so reckless as to merit an extended stay at a mental health facility.  

    Such a pity this bonehead could not realize that you can talk about the perfidious Jєωs without defending the goose-stepping goons of the Third Reich. And if it is just that Germany should be rehabilitated somewhat and that an explanation of sorts is due her from her point of view as regards the Jєωs, start by telling the entire sordid story of the destruction and betrayal of Poland and then work your way back.

    But it seems to me that would be impossible because it goes against the American Proposition. And after all, Germany became the most important client state in the Cold War as the U.S. switched sides for the second time against Catholic Poland. That little detail might interfere with all that Greatest Country that ever existed crap along with the Greatest Generation that went through the Depression and defeated the Germans and the Japs and made the world safe for Democracy that the Jєωs and their allies love to promote.



    Irving has admitted to playing politics with that in the past.  I don't think the nαzιs ever committed any such atrocities like you seem to think.  So, I think bishop williamson is correct.  I can't see any reason for germany to do that in the first place.  But you obviously do.  

    We are true israel and israel is in bondage.