Four pages in, and NO ONE has commented on the fact that the evil Synod indicates the Warning may be at our door. Possibly only 4 1/2 months away, or less.

Instead, all anyone wants to do is argue about why they don't believe Our Lady's appearance and Her message.

here:

You said a lot of criticisms are untrue but you weren't specific.  Answer me this:  did the children run backwards during some apparition?  If so, how's this not demonic?  If it's not demonic, how is it catholic?  Did Our Lady tell them to run backwards?  Was it ever explained?

For this reason alone, I question these messages.

I think that is really sad.

The bishop who witnessed the girls' ecstasies doesn't seem to be bothered by what they did during their ecstasy, and says what bothers him is Our Lady's message that bishops and cardinals are on the road to hell, but you get hung up on what the girls did during their ecstasies.

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you've seen too many horror movies.

You can read here the notes of the priest who watched over 200 ecstasies of the girls at Garabandal.

http://www.ourlady.ca/info/de%20la%20Riva/delaRiva19.htm

And you can listen to Maria Saraco describe the ones she witnessed.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/0gRzuZPfOhc[/youtube]

I asked an honest question and you insult me, like you have others on this thread.  It shows you're too attached and emotional about this whole thing.  Your mind is already made up and this is NOT how we're supposed to treat such things.  

...200 apparitions...really...name me one approved apparition in church history where anyone from heaven appeared to anyone that many times.  How about even more than 20 times?  

The whole thing stinks of hell.  There's truth mixed in, sure, which is why it sounds good.  But there's just too many things that are "off".

The fact that you and the others on this thread who have bothered to respond think it is fashionable to respond in a derogatory manner to a very serious apparition of Our Lady is extremely disturbing. Sorry you feel insulted, but you really ought to be more concerned with the fact that you are insulting our Mother when you say this whole thing stinks of hell. How outrageous.

Quote from: Pax Vobis

You said a lot of criticisms are untrue but you weren't specific.  Answer me this:  did the children run backwards during some apparition?  If so, how's this not demonic?  If it's not demonic, how is it catholic?  Did Our Lady tell them to run backwards?  Was it ever explained?

For this reason alone, I question these messages.

mw, why don't you simply answer Pax Vobis' questions? You might win over a follower to your predictions.

The children are described to have often walked with their heads focused only upward on the Virgin, never looking where they walked, and that they walked so quickly over the very rocky ground that the witnesses could not keep up. How exactly is that demonic? They also frequently fell to their knees on the rocks and were always uninjured. They also rarely levitated, as the priest noted, but I am sure you will all say that is demonic too, right?

This is a docuмentary film made very close to the events themselves in the year 1971.

There are many photos of the girls in ecstasy. You can see the beauty in their expressions, there is utterly NOTHING demonic about it.

There is also film footage of an ecstasy where the girls are being taught how to properly make the Sign of the Cross by Our Lady. Nothing demonic about THAT!

Start at about the 14:00 min. mark:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Jahp1-PMOeo[/youtube]

Bishop Williamson approves of the Garabandal apparitions.

http://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/private-revelation-and-message-of.html

Let me here merely make a case for the internal reasonableness of Garabandal's double message and triple prophecy, because it is my personal opinion that it is highly unlikely that Garabandal is false, and if it is true, I would like to avoid having people ask at some point in the future – “Did you know about this and not tell us?" With each day that passes more and more people are in agony over the question, "How will it all end?" With each day that passes the answer of Garabandal makes more and more tranquillizing sense. I believe Garabandal is true, but I am not here arguing it is true, still less imposing it on any readers, I am merely proposing that it makes sense of what might seem an otherwise senseless situation of world and Church.

Whether authentic or not, the two solemn Messages of Garabandal of October 1961 and June 1965 picked up where the Third Secret of Fatima, locked away in 1960, surely left off, namely with the crisis in the Church. In 1961, notice one year before the opening of Vatican Two, the lady of Garabandal said, "We must do much penance and make many sacrifices. We must often visit the Blessed Sacrament. But above all, we must be very good for, if we are not, we will be punished. The cup is already filling, and if we do not amend our lives there will come a great chastisement."

In her second longer Message, given a few months before the closing of Vatican Two, she was more insistent, saying amongst other things, “…Previously, the cup was being filled. Now it is overflowing. Many cardinals, Bishops and priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them…” So much for Vatican Two! Small wonder if the cardinals, bishops and priests were not in a hurry to approve of the lady of Garabandal!


Her triple prophecy made in the course of the same four years was of three great coming events: a Warning, a Miracle and, if mankind is not converted by these, a Chastisement to which the first two events point. Let us then begin with the Chastisement, spoken of in both Messages.

What it will consist in, the girls were not allowed to say, but they were shown it: on two successive nights they had of it a vision so horrifying that they let out such cries of horror that all the villagers within earshot went at the first opportunity to Confession. Said one of the girls, "It will be a result of the direct intervention of God, which makes it more terrible and fearful than anything we can imagine".

We look at the sins of the turn of the century, chastised by World War One. We look at the greater sins of the 1920's and 1930's, proportionately chastised by World War Two. We look at the far greater sins of the 1960's to 1990's — is it not reasonable that a merely human World War Three would not be enough by way of chastisement for mankind in its present state? Of course mankind can convert, but does that look likely? God exists, He cares, He is not powerless to intervene, He is just, so how could He not chastise? But he is also merciful, which is why it is reasonable — not obligatory on His part — that He provide beforehand a proportionately great Warning.

For indeed people today are so confused, all over the world, that like the inhabitants of Niniveh in Scripture, they cannot tell their left hand from their right (Jonah IV,11). Now for this stupidity men have nobody to blame but themselves, but how far can for instance the youngsters today be blamed when they are fed synchronized lies by their schools, politicians, universities, media, even churches and parents, in brief by everyone meant to know what life is about? Stop for a moment and think how deep the confusion is in people's minds and lives around us. Could not many of them almost go before God's judgement seat and plead ignorance? And where today is His true Church to guarantee them His existence, His love and His law? In which case does not the Warning as told of by the lady of Garabandal to the four girls fit, like a key fits a lock? —

"The Warning will come directly from God, like a fire from heaven visible to the whole world and from any place where anyone may happen to be. Immediately it will be transmitted into the interior of our souls where by its light everyone, believer and unbeliever alike, irrespective of whatever religion he may belong to, will see the state of his soul with complete clearness. He will experience what it is to lose God; he will feel the purifying action of the cleansing flame. Briefly it will be like having the Particular Judgement in one's very soul while still alive. It will last for a very little time, but it will seem a very long time because of its effect within us."

Does not such a warning fit? For a few (long) moments absolutely everybody without exception will see the complete truth about their soul and its state before God. Within a few hours, days, months, the enemies of God will no doubt be doing everything with their media to bend people's minds all out of shape once more, but everyone will have had a clear chance to know the truth and to choose it. What a grace! However, the lady of Garabandal told of God's mercy reaching still further.

At Fatima, the Second Secret had consisted of a great warning of what Russia would do (by 1992, has largely done) to the world, if the instructions of Our Lady were not carried out, and this warning, originally given in July of 1917, was solemnly ratified and confirmed by the miraculous dance of the sun which took place three months later before an awe-struck crowd of 70,000 people.

However, the sins and incredulity of this end of the 20th century far surpass those of its beginning. If then a miracle is provided to overcome disbelief in a warning, might one not expect from Garabandal, if it is true, a Miracle far surpassing even the dance of the sun at Fatima? That is exactly what the girls were told of by the Lady of Garabandal: —

"Within one year of the Great Warning, on a Thursday evening at 8:30 p.m., on a feast of a Saint devoted to the Holy Eucharist, lasting for about a quarter of an hour and coinciding with a great event in the Church, will take place a Great Miracle visible to everyone in the village of Garabandal and in the surrounding mountain arena. It will be the greatest miracle that Jesus has ever worked for the world. There will not remain the slightest doubt that it canes from God and is for the good of mankind. It will take place at the site of the clump of pine trees overlooking the village, where it will leave a permanent sign that will remain until the end of time. This sign it will be possible to film or televise, but not to touch. All unbelievers present at the Miracle will be converted, and all invalids will be cured."

Now if one visits Fatima today, one finds of course no trace of the miraculous dance of the sun which did so much to help people believe in Fatima. The miracle came and went. But given the vastly greater disbelief of our own day, is it not, once more, entirely reasonable that, if Garabandal be true, greater help should be given to overcome disbelief in it? Modern men believe in their television? They will go nowhere without their video-camera? What could be more reasonable than to provide televisual man with a permanent televisible sign? “I will not believe until I can photograph it with my own video-camera!" — catch an aeroplane and go ahead!

There are various objections to the authenticity of the apparitions of Our Lady at Garabandal which I will not go into now, although I am sure they can all be answered without great difficulty. The official Church has made no final pronunciation upon Garabandal, as it has made upon Fatima to approve or upon Medjugorje to disapprove. The Society of St. Pius X has no official position either. For myself, I believe in it. All I have tried to do above is to make the case that if anyone has difficulty in fitting together in his head the insane facts of the modern world and the sane truth of his Catholic Faith, the lady of Garabandal provides an admirable solution. And if one day she were proved beyond doubt not to have been Our Lady, our Faith in public Revelation would not be shaken one bit, we should merely have to renounce one set of stepping-stones towards it. Meanwhile may Our Lady accept as homage offered to her this presentation of the triple prophecy of Garabandal. Our only intention has been to serve her and help her save souls. For more information, write to P.O. Box 606, Lindenhurst, NY 11757, U.S.A.