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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Catholic Bunker => Topic started by: Marcelino on August 29, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
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With low wages, poor benefits, expensive healthcare, huge utility bills and high property taxes, the next american "dream home" could look like this! :jester:
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You ever notice-and this bugs me-that when a natural disaster hits, someone feels compelled to hoist a flag up.
why?
Does nationalism somehow defeat nature?
Was the natural disaster a plot against America?
and.....why no cross? no prayer gathering?
Its a subtle nod the the AMerican Civil Religion......
in times of old-Catholic or Protestant-when a natural disaster struck, the people prayed and REPENTED their sins........you find both Catholic and heretic alike had tracts on the nature of storms, repentance,sin,etc.....
now we sing "God Bless (because we tell Him He has to) AMerica" and/or foist up a flag.....
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next few disasters-watch the TV, look at pics psoted on your local news sites......someone is or has hoisted the flag......a sacramental or relic of the ACR
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Do any of you think that hurrican Isaac was a weather modification? It seemed like a very unusual storm. It just churned and churned over New Orleans. It devastated the area......again.
I hope if any of you live in that area, you will get out of there. Florida residents and Texas residents should consider leaving also.
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Not sure, but its insane that some state "God did not have anything to do with it".....and the Limbaugh/GoP vs Obummer arguements over it........as if Limbaugh willing to beleive in HAARP (when its a Democrat of course)...
not sure, the timing may make one wonder....could be natural...leaves one :confused1: :furtive: :reporter: :reading:
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You ever notice-and this bugs me-that when a natural disaster hits, someone feels compelled to hoist a flag up.
why?
Does nationalism somehow defeat nature?
Was the natural disaster a plot against America?
and.....why no cross? no prayer gathering?
Its a subtle nod the the AMerican Civil Religion......
in times of old-Catholic or Protestant-when a natural disaster struck, the people prayed and REPENTED their sins........you find both Catholic and heretic alike had tracts on the nature of storms, repentance,sin,etc.....
now we sing "God Bless (because we tell Him He has to) AMerica" and/or foist up a flag.....
I never thought of it that way before
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Do any of you think that hurrican Isaac was a weather modification? It seemed like a very unusual storm. It just churned and churned over New Orleans. It devastated the area......again.
I hope if any of you live in that area, you will get out of there. Florida residents and Texas residents should consider leaving also.
Okay, let's say it is, why target NOLA (and TX and FL)??
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Why do they not heed warnings in NOLA? I remember the night before Katrina the night before NPR was doing interviews. I could not believe they had bars open! Those interviewed had very arrogant views and did not heed warnings to prepare.
On the news we saw people in line for the emergency shelter with televisions? Wouldn't you be carrying water? I couldn't believe seeing grown men in line with televisions?. Men should be carrying supplies and providing security and working non stop in a situation like that.
Cities in Florida turns into a ghost town the day before, people and institutions prepare. They breath the word tropical storm and the ATMs and gas are out 2 days before. The hospitals discharge everyone that can possibly be discharged. I've never seen so many doctors in one place like I did a few days before a hurricane was expected.
It's not a big deal to keep a backpacks with water, granola bars, alochol swabs and plastic bags for waste. The able bodied should be prepared to the best of their ability and helping those who can't care for themselves.
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Not sure, but its insane that some state "God did not have anything to do with it".....and the Limbaugh/GoP vs Obummer arguements over it........as if Limbaugh willing to beleive in HAARP (when its a Democrat of course)...
not sure, the timing may make one wonder....could be natural...leaves one :confused1: :furtive: :reporter: :reading:
My issue with the storms being for punishment is the most vulnerable are the hardest hit by them. People with chronic medical conditions, the elderly, etc.
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Tiffany, as a native of New Orleans myself, I have to ask: You're from the midwest, right?
I might even guess upper midwest...like Minnesota?
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No, where did that come from?
Being from NOLA what is your take on what I saw? Was the media just picking out the unprepared? I remember hearing women complaining there were no diapers. I was shocked at hearing interviews with professionals like doctors at how unprepared they were.
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No, where did that come from?
Being from NOLA what is your take on what I saw? Was the media just picking out the unprepared? I remember hearing women complaining there were no diapers. I was shocked at hearing interviews with professionals like doctors at how unprepared they were.
Where did the midwest thing come from? Midwesterners have a way of being pedantic with reards to authority I have observed, and always oversimplify things.
So, the question *you* ask (explain what you saw) would a)require more time than I have and b)require me to see what you saw firsthand to eliminate some possibilities.
Here's a oversimplified answer that works because these are the people the press focus on, so it should apply:
Many people stay behind are from/ in the worst neighborhoods. If the storm blows over, the looters will have free reign if they're not home, and those neighborhoods have the most looters. These elderly and infirm that they offer free airlifts or transport have often spend quite awhile obtaining a few material comforts legitimately. If you're stuck in your house because you're old and immobile your TV is (unfortunately) pretty damned important to such a person. People don't live in extended families anymore so grandma has no company except that TV. Because we live in a culture that doesnt value the elderly no on comes to visit them, etc. So, they stay put with their 'stuff.'
If you saw a guy carrying a TV it is a similar reason: if he can carry it, it can be carried off, and is probably the only thing of significant worth (large/flat screens are quite cheap by historical standards but *can* still run close to a grand or at least several hundred and it will fetch maybe a hundred or two in a stolen goods transaction.
So theyre carrying it because that's their only easily stolen (as I said, they're able to carry it so someone else could) and reasonably valuable item. It's unlikely that they just can't miss an episode of Honey Boo Boo.
Wherever you are from, you strike me as someone who has never lived in a bad area (not that there's anything wrong with that).
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I've lived in bad areas but that isn't relevant to the post about not preparing.
I've been through 2 hurricanes and the usual seasonal tropical storms. Something electronic (apart from a small radio) is the LAST thing I would be carrying if I had to go. I would have as much water as I could carry with granola bars and plastic bags for waste.
I appreciate you explaining that about the elderly and holding on to their things.
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I've lived in bad areas but that isn't relevant to the post about not preparing.
I appreciate you explaining that about the elderly and holding on to their things.
Not exactly. I said the elderly *stay*. The poor and healthy *carry their TVs* (or anything likely to get looted) when they split.
And I notice I didnt address your other question about preparing, and I will have to spell that answer out as well it seems. No inference-drawing from you-- are you sure you're not from the midwest?
So, many people in the gulf don't "prepare" (at least as it pertains to hurricanes, people's individual ideas about the direction the world is heading is another thing and they very well could be quite prepared in that regard for all I know) because hurricanes are a dime a dozen. If they left the house everytime a hurricane warning was issued they'd never come home. Hurricanes are a way of life there, it is easy to become flippant. And the warning system cries wolf excessively. You learn there to discern when it's *really* time to leave, not when NOAA or the weatherchimp tells you. Sometimes you'll be wrong and stay, more often you're right when you stay. It's a bit of confirmation bias, but it's human nature. I live in California now, and we have earthquakes all the time. You'd be lucky if I woke up anymore, or said anything besides "pass the gravy please". 90% of Californians don't even have a single gallon of water or even a flashlight (of the ones I talk to). My house has been here over a hundred years, so I'm not sure anything is going to happen myself besides a power outage, but I have water, food, medicine, etc. I'm prepared for several scenarios actually, but earthquake should be statistically what I focus on. Interestingly, doesnt even cross my mind in my prepping. I think more about the Three Days of Darkness with blessed, wax candles, prayer/confession, window coverings etc and that might not happen in my lifetime, but an earthquake is sure to.
So, if you lived in the gulf your attitude towards hurricanes might change is what I'm saying. They've been in the news in the last 7 years quite a bit with Katrina and all, but keep in mind we did with a levee system that was nearly (and over) 100 years old in many spots and further, we hadn't had a Katrina-like flood for a few hundred. Flooding yes, but wiping out everything? Nope.
There was no reason to believe Katrina was going to do what it did, until it did.
My dad always evacuates if it's even 50/50 because my grandparents were typical natives who continued life as usual when a hurricane warning was issued. One day he woke up and his bed was getting sloshed around and floated around in his room. The water was pretty high and scared him good. I would say he was 9, or maybe 6. I forget.
Anyway, it scared him as a kid. He has nightmares about it. He says it still wakes him up from time to time because, even though nobody died and my grandpa laughed and picked him up and carried him being chest deep in water himself, for a minute he thought he was going to die. That sticks with you. Anyway, he evacuates always, but *even he* says he is totally irrational, acting out of trauma, and thinks he is over the top. My uncles, aunts, etc never evacuated, my grandparents didn't that I can remember.
I could go on.
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a look into local life.... :reading:
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Where I lived people were not flippant. People and institutions prepared. That is why it was so shocking to hear bars open - I figured it would be like a ghost town with people getting ready and places closed.
Evacuation is different, but it's not that difficult to prepare even months ahead of time if you are staying home. Bleach is really the only thing that would need to be rotated every six months. Water, canned or shelf stable food, hygiene supplies would all still be there.