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Offline gemmarose

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Pope Gregory XIII never held non-baptized members of the Church
« on: March 14, 2023, 10:13:22 PM »
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    • New evidence from Friarminor against "Baptism of Desire"  Friarminor is not associated or support any group out there.

    https://twitter.com/1Friarminor/status/1628144315221553158?s=20
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    Online Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope Gregory XIII never held non-baptized members of the Church
    « Reply #1 on: March 14, 2023, 10:35:51 PM »
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    • Nearly all theologians agree that only the baptized are members of the Church; it's just that many claim that people can be "inside" the Church without being members of the Church.  I call this "undigested hamburger" ecclesiology, just like food can be in the stomach without having become part of the body.
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    Re: Pope Gregory XIII never held non-baptized members of the Church
    « Reply #2 on: April 06, 2023, 12:05:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: gemmarose on March 14, 2023, 10:13:22 PM
    New evidence from Friarminor against "Baptism of Desire"  Friarminor is not associated or support any group out there.

    https://twitter.com/1Friarminor/status/1628144315221553158?s=20
    This Pope Gregory XIII info is from The History of the Popes by Ludwig von Pastor if anyone is interested. The history of the popes, from the close of the middle ages : drawn from the secret Archives of the Vatican and other original sources; from the German (obrascatolicas.com)
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Pope Gregory XIII never held non-baptized members of the Church
    « Reply #3 on: April 06, 2023, 05:18:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 14, 2023, 10:35:51 PM
    Nearly all theologians agree that only the baptized are members of the Church; it's just that many claim that people can be "inside" the Church without being members of the Church.  I call this "undigested hamburger" ecclesiology, just like food can be in the stomach without having become part of the body.


    Lad, then wouldn’t you categorize the following as “undigested hamburger ecclesiology” also?

    The Church teaches that to be a member of the Church one must be baptized, profess the True Faith, and not be cut off from the Church by legitimate Ecclesiastical authority.

    In the internal forum one can be a Satanist, but outwardly still be a member of the Church.
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    Re: Pope Gregory XIII never held non-baptized members of the Church
    « Reply #4 on: April 06, 2023, 06:24:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 06, 2023, 05:18:11 AM

    Lad, then wouldn’t you categorize the following as “undigested hamburger ecclesiology” also?

    The Church teaches that to be a member of the Church one must be baptized, profess the True Faith, and not be cut off from the Church by legitimate Ecclesiastical authority.

    In the internal forum one can be a Satanist, but outwardly still be a member of the Church.

    No, that's the corollary.  Such are members of the body, but dead members.  It's as if frostbite or gangrene set in part of the body, and the flesh was dead.

    "Undigested hamburger" refers to the notion of something being IN the body but not part of the body.  Dead members are a part of the body despite being dead.
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