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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2018, 11:45:59 PM »
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  • I don't know about anyone else but I suspect it's generally true of many people. There are so many shootings that are questionable re: whether it was staged, fαℓѕє fℓαg,crisis actors, people died, people didn't- that emotionally I am kind of distanced from the "tragedies", if there actually are some.. I'm afraid to buy into any of it.
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     Many pictures show the people hugging and crying- no tears. Same every time. Where are all of the lawsuits? I'm sure many family of victims would lawyer-up and sue everything and everyone they can, but we don't hear about this.
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    I know I sound jaded, but none of this sits right -psychologically it's all off-kilter and maybe it's part of the globalist plan to desensitize us to horror as well, I don't know. All I do know is these mass shooting are here today and gone tomorrow-
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    So then if your next door neighbor was one of several people shot and killed at a local restaurant then suddenly you would say THAT was real?
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    Or if a close family relative was one of several random victims in a drive-by machine gun slaughter you'd say, "Okay, this time it was real?"
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    But so long as it's people dying whom you've never known or heard of, then there's no way it can be real TO YOU, since it's not in your "experience?"
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    I knew a man, quite intelligent, who told me that none of the "Internet rumours" that were going around about Bishop Fellay were real.
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    This was about 10 years ago.
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    He said that the reports you read about, saying that the SSPX is sliding into phase with Vat.II and too-traditional priests are being kicked out, are all fake.
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    He thought that +Fellay was squeaky clean, GREC was a hoax, and there never was any AFD (April Fifteenth Declaration) in 2012.
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    Eventually I found out:  because these things were not part of his personal experience, he decided to deny their reality.
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #16 on: November 14, 2018, 10:50:35 AM »
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  • Borderline ===== Another Obvious Hoax :sleep:
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #17 on: November 14, 2018, 06:27:34 PM »
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    So then if your next door neighbor was one of several people shot and killed at a local restaurant then suddenly you would say THAT was real?
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    Or if a close family relative was one of several random victims in a drive-by machine gun slaughter you'd say, "Okay, this time it was real?"
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    But so long as it's people dying whom you've never known or heard of, then there's no way it can be real TO YOU, since it's not in your "experience?"
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    I knew a man, quite intelligent, who told me that none of the "Internet rumours" that were going around about Bishop Fellay were real.
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    This was about 10 years ago.
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    He said that the reports you read about, saying that the SSPX is sliding into phase with Vat.II and too-traditional priests are being kicked out, are all fake.
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    He thought that +Fellay was squeaky clean, GREC was a hoax, and there never was any AFD (April Fifteenth Declaration) in 2012.
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    Eventually I found out:  because these things were not part of his personal experience, he decided to deny their reality.
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    Oh, please. Quite the straw man argument. You are implying if I don't literally see it I don't believe it- how silly. I believe JFK was αssαssιnαtҽd, that soldiers were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and... I actually believe Australia exists even though I've never been there :)
    These mass shootings have so many other twisted, irregular oddities attached to them that doubting them  has NOTHING to do with the possibility of a shooting taking place, it's the entire scenario that belies the said event.
    Using your example, if my neighbor was a 'victim" of a shooting, but I never saw grieving relatives, never saw a notice for a funeral, the victim's house was bulldozed a week later, and no one spoke about it after a few days , I might have some questions, no?
    I admit, I believe this luciferian culture is capable of deceiving and plotting the most horrible events ( even to the point of making the average person feel guilty for doubting it) to enslave our minds and advance their evil agenda.
    Like I said, if (and I am sure there are many) people have died in these staged shootings, they are victims of not just the "lone" shooter, who himself may be a victim as well, but of the demonic plotters who will do ANYTHING to get what they want.
    PS- The Borderline shooting appears to be old news already... what has it been, 4 days? We are experiencing mass PTSD- deliberately. Friday is coming, so there will probably be another mass shooting for the weekend news cycle.

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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #18 on: November 15, 2018, 03:47:02 PM »
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    So then if your next door neighbor was one of several people shot and killed at a local restaurant then suddenly you would say THAT was real?
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    Or if a close family relative was one of several random victims in a drive-by machine gun slaughter you'd say, "Okay, this time it was real?"
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    But so long as it's people dying whom you've never known or heard of, then there's no way it can be real TO YOU, since it's not in your "experience?"
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    Oh, please. Quite the straw man argument. You are implying if I don't literally see it I don't believe it - how silly. I believe JFK was αssαssιnαtҽd, that soldiers were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and... I actually believe Australia exists even though I've never been there. :)

    These mass shootings have so many other twisted, irregular oddities attached to them that doubting them has NOTHING to do with the possibility of a shooting taking place, it's the entire scenario that belies the said event.

    Using your example, if my neighbor was a "victim" of a shooting, but I never saw grieving relatives, never saw a notice for a funeral, the victim's house was bulldozed a week later, and no one spoke about it after a few days, I might have some questions, no?

    I admit, I believe this luciferian culture is capable of deceiving and plotting the most horrible events (even to the point of making the average person feel guilty for doubting it) to enslave our minds and advance their evil agenda.

    Like I said, if (and I am sure there are many) people have died in these staged shootings, they are victims of not just the "lone" shooter, who himself may be a victim as well, but of the demonic plotters who will do ANYTHING to get what they want.

    P.S. - The Borderline shooting appears to be old news already... what has it been, 4 days? We are experiencing mass PTSD- deliberately. Friday is coming, so there will probably be another mass shooting for the weekend news cycle.
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    If you don't mind, I'm going to copy your reply, here, and show it to people I know who were personally involved in the Borderline shooting.
    Is that okay with you? I mean, if you're willing to post this on a publicly accessible forum then you shouldn't mind if I show the copy around.
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    And then, if you are genuine in this opinion, then you won't mind if I come back here and post responses I get, face to face with people.
    They're going to want to know what the website was where I saw this, but I'd rather not drag CI into it.
    Nor would I want to implicate all Traditional Catholics by saying it is found on a trad forum.
    So what if Friday comes and goes without any "mass shooting for the weekend news cycle?" Will you be disappointed?
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    It will take me about a week to do this. So you can beg for mercy and plead temporary insanity for the next few days.
    But after that, your words are cast in stone, and you get to live with the consequences.
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    If you really want to "dig in" with this, as written, it would be a big help for you to post a list of the "other twisted, irregular oddities attached" to the Borderline Bar & Grill shooting which you have noticed. Is that what you think of the "lone shooter" who turned up dead himself, a twisted, irregular odditiy? Of course, if you can't think of any, perhaps you'd like to withdraw that sentence.
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    In your first sentence, you accuse me of implying that if you don't literally see it you don't believe it, and therefore it's a "straw man argument." Actually, I was asking a question hoping to get clarification. If you hadn't been so vague to begin with, that wouldn't have been necessary. But you're still being vague! (While you pretend to answer!) Why would you believe in the JFK assassination? Don't you think that could have been "staged" too? I mean, if it's the STAGED part that gets to you "in these staged shootings," and the "lone shooter" what, in the school depository building, not the grassy knoll, correct? Your words, remember?
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    I have to ask, because I've known people who could see a thing happen with their own eyes, then immediately afterward they would say they saw something else happen, or even nothing at all. This happens in the courtroom, where three or more eyewitnesses all have a very different story to tell.
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    It might help if you could remind me if you also think the moon landings were "staged" or that the earth is "flat." It's hard to keep track of who, what.
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    You might not be aware that in Communist Red China, they would shoot a prisoner in the head, and he would get no funeral, but they would send his family a bill for the price of the bullet. The family was forbidden from grieving for their lost son in public, lest they would be fined or imprisoned, and they couldn't hold any funeral for him nor bury his body. And they were forbidden from speaking about it to anyone lest their house would be bulldozed kind of like Tiananmen Square, but there they used tanks with bulldozer-like tracks. So then, using your example, is that a case of when you might have some questions? Or would you conclude that the son never existed and there was no shooting in the back of his head, and the bill for the bullet is fake?
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    If you would like to see grieving relatives or a notice for a funeral, perhaps you'd be interested in the public ceremony being held in Thousand Oaks this week. Or perhaps you're getting ready to say all those people were just Photoshopped into the pictures.
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    BTW in an attempt to make you look less ignorant, I took the liberty of correcting a few of your typos.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #19 on: November 15, 2018, 04:14:03 PM »
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  • As I've told several people, this is just the latest regularly-scheduled mass shooting. Maybe no one died at all.

    "Yawn".
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    I would highly recommend you make yourself scarce around law enforcement officers for the next few weeks, Markus.
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    https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2018/11/11/memorial-service-set-ron-helus-officer-killed-shooting/1966006002/
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    Memorial service scheduled Thursday for Ron Helus, sheriff's sergeant killed in Borderline shooting
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    A memorial service will be held Thursday for the Ventura County Sheriff's Office sergeant who was killed when he responded to a mass shooting Wednesday night at the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks.
    Services for Sgt. Ron Helus will begin at noon Thursday at Calvary Community Church, 5495 Via Rocas in Westlake Village.
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    Immediately after the memorial service, there will be a short procession and graveside service at Pierce Brothers Valley Oaks Mortuary and Cemetery, 5600 Lindero Canyon Road in Westlake Village. Parking will be limited and carpooling is suggested.

    Helus was one of the first officers to arrive on the scene about 11:20 p.m. Wednesday after a hooded man entered the bar and began shooting. Helus was shot several times and died later at a hospital.

    The 29-year veteran of the Ventura County Sheriff's Office was among 12 people killed by Ian David Long, 28, of Newbury Park. Long later died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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    Tim Conway Jr. (son of actor Tim Conway, from Steve Allen Show, McHale's Navy and Carol Burnett Show), who is a broadcaster on KFI AM 640, said yesterday that he expects about 100,000 people to show up for this funeral, today (now in progress).
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    Tim Conway as Ensign Parker, McHale is on left.
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #20 on: November 15, 2018, 05:35:45 PM »
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  • Thank you for correcting my glaring ignorance with an ad hominem attack...nice.
    If you read what I wrote , spelling and all, I did NOT say people did not die. I DID say there were certain shootings that were doubtful in my eyes-Sandy Hook for example. I DID say that these shootings were more than likely NOT spontaneous single shooter events and that they were planned by "Deep State" (for lack of a better term) for a specific outcome- I don't pretend to know what their final goal is, but I can only imagine. I did say that the doubtful ones also cast doubt ( for me) on some that are actual, which does lead to some confusion, intended or not. The "twisted, irregular oddities"was a general statement about all of the shootings in question- Parkland, Sandy Hook,etc..Remember Gene Rosen and Robbie Parker- was that normal?
    Borderline reminds me of Las Vegas- that was a bloodbath..but are we sure of the shooter in Las Vegas? The 4 Seasons and Saudi presence, other shooters, armed helicopters?

    This brave officer who died unfortunately may have been killed in a staged event- it does not mean he did not die or that he was not a hero. I do NOT often (if ever) see funerals or families and the like, and I would be glad to see your research later on.
    I believe in the moon landing ( although I have questions about getting through the Van Allen radiation (sp!) belts.
    There are no denials here, only doubts and questions. And yes- there are so many shootings on a regular basis that Borderline IS already out of the news. Very sad.
    Sure, you can show them my post, and give them my condolences.

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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #21 on: November 16, 2018, 11:07:58 PM »
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    This is the kind of reaction I got when I tried to tell Catholics about the ritual assassination of Fr. Alfred J. Kunz: they didn't believe it happened.
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    They didn't read about it in the Tidings or Circle Media so they thought it must not be real.
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    The Moslems say Jesus Christ did not die on the cross. Maybe you didn't know about that.
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    Perhaps the twin towers at the World Trade Center never existed, just urban legend, Photoshopped in to the NY skyline.
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    Or the so-called Old Man in the Mountain in New Hampshire -- just a figment of wild imaginations!
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    I'm sorry to cause any offence or scandal, friend.
    I just have many doubts about the mass shootings, because many of them are most certainly doubtful -- like the Sandy Hook shooting or the shooting at that high school back in February, where you have credible evidence of crisis actors and many conflicting and unresolved stories.
    Because they happen rather like clockwork (this is the impression I have, because I assume many of these are CIA operations), I tend to believe many of the casualties in many of these shootings are not actual casualties.

    What do you think?

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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #22 on: November 17, 2018, 12:54:10 AM »
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  • Las Vegas is Hoax.. :sleep:
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #23 on: November 17, 2018, 02:17:21 AM »
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  • I'm sorry to cause any offence or scandal, friend.
    I just have many doubts about the mass shootings, because many of them are most certainly doubtful -- like the Sandy Hook shooting or the shooting at that high school back in February, where you have credible evidence of crisis actors and many conflicting and unresolved stories.
    Because they happen rather like clockwork (this is the impression I have, because I assume many of these are CIA operations), I tend to believe many of the casualties in many of these shootings are not actual casualties.

    What do you think?
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    I think you ought to be more conscious of the tremendous damage you can do for the reputation of Catholics when you are indiscreet like this.
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    They'd be justified in thinking that traditional Catholics are a bunch of kooks --- not worth the time of day.
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    Stop and think how a Sheriff deputy or police officer or one of their family  members would feel if you were to tell them you think this was a hoax.
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    Thousands of law enforcement, firemen and military in uniform showed up for the memorial service yesterday.
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    There wasn't room for them indoors or outdoors. The streets were jammed with cars.
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    Even freeway overpasses were crowded as the motorcade went under bridges.
        
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    I just hope you wouldn't dare tell any one of them to their face that you think Ron Helus wasn't real
    Or that he didn't die in the Borderline shooting.
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #24 on: November 17, 2018, 03:09:32 AM »
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  • About 80,000 babies were killed that day by the infanticide the world now calls abortion, or even worse a woman's choice. Where is the news report on that? Not a one person went to their funeral, in fact they had no funeral, they were thrown in a dumpster or turned into vitamins.

    Remember that the next time someone calls you a crazy trad for believing these shootings are arranged before hand and the emotional displays staged afterwards. Example: Lee Harvey Oswald really did shoot at the president and he really was shot by Jack Ruby, however, Oswald did not even hit the president once. Oswald was just  a dupe set up  to be "the killer". That is how it works.
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #25 on: November 17, 2018, 09:01:45 AM »
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  • I'm sorry to cause any offence or scandal, friend.
    I just have many doubts about the mass shootings, because many of them are most certainly doubtful -- like the Sandy Hook shooting or the shooting at that high school back in February, where you have credible evidence of crisis actors and many conflicting and unresolved stories.
    Because they happen rather like clockwork (this is the impression I have, because I assume many of these are CIA operations), I tend to believe many of the casualties in many of these shootings are not actual casualties.

    What do you think?
    It is very plausible that these are real shootings. Very, very plausible.

    You have to realize something, Markus: This country, the United States of America, is massive. The third biggest country in the world in both population and landmass, with very lax gun laws. It's very reasonable that a giant country like this would have fairly regular shootings.

    If one of those Nordic nations with 4-5 million each experienced this kind of violence, then it would be cause for alarm.
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #26 on: November 17, 2018, 06:40:39 PM »
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  • About 80,000 babies were killed that day by the infanticide the world now calls abortion, or even worse a woman's choice. Where is the news report on that? Not a one person went to their funeral, in fact they had no funeral, they were thrown in a dumpster or turned into vitamins.

    Remember that the next time someone calls you a crazy trad for believing these shootings are arranged before hand and the emotional displays staged afterwards. Example: Lee Harvey Oswald really did shoot at the president and he really was shot by Jack Ruby, however, Oswald did not even hit the president once. Oswald was just  a dupe set up  to be "the killer". That is how it works.
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    Did you go see the movie GOSNELL when it was in theaters? It could still be in a few, somewhere. 
    There's another thread on that.
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    The infanticide-genocide going on nationwide and worldwide is abominable, certainly. 
    It is a sin crying to heaven for vengeance, willful murder of the innocent.
    And the cold-blooded murder of Ron Helus and 11 other innocent victims is in the same category.
    The principle difference is the murderer at Borderline is dead, too. 
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #27 on: November 17, 2018, 06:48:34 PM »
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  • It is very plausible that these are real shootings. Very, very plausible.

    You have to realize something, Markus: This country, the United States of America, is massive. The third biggest country in the world in both population and landmass, with very lax gun laws. It's very reasonable that a giant country like this would have fairly regular shootings.

    If one of those Nordic nations with 4-5 million each experienced this kind of violence, then it would be cause for alarm.
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    I can assure you the family and friends of Ron Helus have absolutely no doubt this was a real shooting, and innocent people died.
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    If everyone at Borderline Bar & Grill that night had been wearing a sidearm, there wouldn't have been this shooting...
    Regardless of how massive the USA is.
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #28 on: November 17, 2018, 07:09:14 PM »
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    I asked a Sheriff deputy at a local station what he thinks I should say to someone who thinks the Borderline shooting was a hoax.
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    He told me I shouldn't waste my energy on such people. 
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    Re: Shooting at Borderline Bar & Grill, Thousand Oaks, CA
    « Reply #29 on: November 17, 2018, 11:30:48 PM »
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  • For those of you who take these incidents lightely, let me tell you that I lost a relative in the high school shooting in SantaFe, Texas. These shootings are very real, and the desire for gun control amongst the common people is strong due to their fear. Our current culture is a mess and leads to these consequences.

    We almost had another shooting at a college in Richmond this past Monday, I even have a screenshot of the text warning the campus sent out. It was in the evening and the SWAT was deployed, thankfully nothing happened.
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