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Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2021, 09:21:40 AM »
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  • Dollar Tree has many name brands of canned food, Green Giant, Chef Boy-ar-dee (phonetic spelling of "Boiardi"), Campbell's, and so on.  Don't get their Cojack brand dry beans, they're not fit to eat.  

    There is also Aldi, but be warned, some Aldi stuff --- almost everything they sell is private label --- is very, very good, some of it is just okay, and some of it is absolute garbage.  Depends on the item.  You just have to take a chance, and then see if you like it.  Lidl is similar.  They are basically German grocery stores adapted to American tastes.  Makes me feel like I'm back shopping in Germany or Poland, and their checkout lines move blazingly fast.  Don't let a long line discourage you, the wait is never long.  And you do have to bag your own groceries (so take bags with you) and, for Aldi, don't forget that quarter for the shopping cart, you get it back when you leave.  Walmart's prices are right, but their grocery aisles (so I've found) are shambolic, crucial items will be missing, and nothing is where you'd expect it to be.

    I'd like to keep chickens, and it's legal out here in the unincorporated county, but our HOA would have issues with that, and it gets pretty hot here about seven months out of the year, so it could get fragrant in such a small space.
    Sadly, I found Aldi canning practices often results in failure after only a year or two.  I bought some cases of various types of foods back in 2008 for storage, and the fail rate was high. Even if the can looked good outside, the contents were strange looking or discolored.   

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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #16 on: August 01, 2021, 10:45:06 AM »
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  • Sadly, I found Aldi canning practices often results in failure after only a year or two.  I bought some cases of various types of foods back in 2008 for storage, and the fail rate was high. Even if the can looked good outside, the contents were strange looking or discolored.  
    That is good to know, I wasn't aware.  I hate to be a slave to brand names, but when you buy brands, at least you know what you're getting.  Money's too hard to come by, to buy garbage in the name of saving a few pennies.

    Aldi has a whole lexicon of made-up "brand names", some of which are just cheesy --- for instance, "Burman's" mayonnaise instead of "Hellmann's", blue label is almost identical. (I cannot eat mayonnaise.  The mere thought makes me gag.)   Aldi is more good than bad, but they try too hard sometimes.  Their frozen pizzas and sausages are amazing.  The cheese is kind of bland but still okay.  Lidl carries more brand names.


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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #17 on: August 01, 2021, 11:13:50 AM »
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  • I think the timing is off, but I do think this is in the relatively near future....Fall sometime.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #18 on: August 01, 2021, 12:20:52 PM »
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  • Dollar Tree has many name brands of canned food, Green Giant, Chef Boy-ar-dee (phonetic spelling of "Boiardi"), Campbell's, and so on.  Don't get their Cojack brand dry beans, they're not fit to eat.  

    There is also Aldi, but be warned, some Aldi stuff --- almost everything they sell is private label --- is very, very good, some of it is just okay, and some of it is absolute garbage.  Depends on the item.  You just have to take a chance, and then see if you like it.  Lidl is similar.  They are basically German grocery stores adapted to American tastes.  Makes me feel like I'm back shopping in Germany or Poland, and their checkout lines move blazingly fast.  Don't let a long line discourage you, the wait is never long.  And you do have to bag your own groceries (so take bags with you) and, for Aldi, don't forget that quarter for the shopping cart, you get it back when you leave.  Walmart's prices are right, but their grocery aisles (so I've found) are shambolic, crucial items will be missing, and nothing is where you'd expect it to be.

    I'd like to keep chickens, and it's legal out here in the unincorporated county, but our HOA would have issues with that, and it gets pretty hot here about seven months out of the year, so it could get fragrant in such a small space.
    It's spendy but Spam is well worth the price of admission, it will get you the energy you need and is meat (teeters on zogchow status but...). Almost all outdoorsmen eat tons of spam. You can never underestimate the versatility of Spam. I've never really delved into Dollar Tree because on the west coast we have Winco and Costco (the latter you really have to do your math on each purchase because of how they price things), whenever I'm in town I just buy basics like tomatoes by the flats. I think one of the times I checked out Dollar Tree I wasn't impressed with the amount of food I was getting for the price I was paying so I didn't buy anything. It's possible that's entirely a local/regional thing but it seems like their business model is a shrinkflation spree.
    HOAs/CCRs are exactly why I had to buy land where there are no zoning restrictions, hopefully you get out of there eventually.
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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #19 on: August 01, 2021, 08:56:39 PM »
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  • It's spendy but Spam is well worth the price of admission, it will get you the energy you need and is meat (teeters on zogchow status but...). Almost all outdoorsmen eat tons of spam. You can never underestimate the versatility of Spam. I've never really delved into Dollar Tree because on the west coast we have Winco and Costco (the latter you really have to do your math on each purchase because of how they price things), whenever I'm in town I just buy basics like tomatoes by the flats. I think one of the times I checked out Dollar Tree I wasn't impressed with the amount of food I was getting for the price I was paying so I didn't buy anything. It's possible that's entirely a local/regional thing but it seems like their business model is a shrinkflation spree.
    HOAs/CCRs are exactly why I had to buy land where there are no zoning restrictions, hopefully you get out of there eventually.
    I actually like Walmart's Great Value equivalent of Spam better than the Armour brand, and it's cheaper.  I always keep a can in my cupboard.

    It is meat, and it is protein.  I never cease to be amazed at how these food-storage programs (including those that seem to be oriented, at least implicitly, towards Mormon prepping) offer so, so many sugars and carbohydrates, and relatively little protein.  Think --- how much cereal, macaroni, rice, pancake preparations, and so on, can you eat?  For my sugar situation, that would be a nightmare.  I eat protein and lots of it.  In fact, my nurse-dietitian told me "you don't eat enough carbohydrate, you're making your body look for sugar in all that protein".


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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #20 on: August 01, 2021, 09:17:13 PM »
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  • I actually like Walmart's Great Value equivalent of Spam better than the Armour brand, and it's cheaper.  I always keep a can in my cupboard.

    It is meat, and it is protein.  I never cease to be amazed at how these food-storage programs (including those that seem to be oriented, at least implicitly, towards Mormon prepping) offer so, so many sugars and carbohydrates, and relatively little protein.  Think --- how much cereal, macaroni, rice, pancake preparations, and so on, can you eat?  For my sugar situation, that would be a nightmare.  I eat protein and lots of it.  In fact, my nurse-dietitian told me "you don't eat enough carbohydrate, you're making your body look for sugar in all that protein".
    If you don't get enough dietary calories, you will sacrifice your body's lean muscle mass. It all requires a balance.

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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #21 on: August 01, 2021, 09:20:17 PM »
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  • I actually like Walmart's Great Value equivalent of Spam better than the Armour brand, and it's cheaper.  I always keep a can in my cupboard.

    It is meat, and it is protein.  I never cease to be amazed at how these food-storage programs (including those that seem to be oriented, at least implicitly, towards Mormon prepping) offer so, so many sugars and carbohydrates, and relatively little protein.  Think --- how much cereal, macaroni, rice, pancake preparations, and so on, can you eat?  For my sugar situation, that would be a nightmare.  I eat protein and lots of it.  In fact, my nurse-dietitian told me "you don't eat enough carbohydrate, you're making your body look for sugar in all that protein".

    THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

    You can live the rest of your life without eating another carb/fruit/veg.

    There are NO essential carbs.

    You cannot live without fat or protein.

    We have been lied to for years.

    When getting yourself ready for famine keep this in mind.
    Make your storage pantry mainly stocked with PROTEINS and FATS.
    Stock up on a closet full of canned meats/soups with protein.

    Also, the best way to make them last longer is to alternate fasting and feasting.

    Reduction of calories causes (ie eating one can a day) is NOT the way to go.  It will make you sick and tired and lower your immunities.

    Dr. Jason Fung is the fasting doctor that has cured diabetes and arthritis and other illnesses through autophagy from fasting and has loads of good info.

    In any case, if you want to make your stored food last longer then go a day or two without eating anything.  Then have a feast for a day or two.

    Carbs will only make you more hungry and are not necessary for survival. (although it's not bad to supplement with them)

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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #22 on: August 01, 2021, 09:39:31 PM »
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  • THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

    You can live the rest of your life without eating another carb/fruit/veg.

    There are NO essential carbs.

    You cannot live without fat or protein.

    We have been lied to for years.

    When getting yourself ready for famine keep this in mind.
    Make your storage pantry mainly stocked with PROTEINS and FATS.
    Stock up on a closet full of canned meats/soups with protein.

    Also, the best way to make them last longer is to alternate fasting and feasting.

    Reduction of calories causes (ie eating one can a day) is NOT the way to go.  It will make you sick and tired and lower your immunities.

    Dr. Jason Fung is the fasting doctor that has cured diabetes and arthritis and other illnesses through autophagy from fasting and has loads of good info.

    In any case, if you want to make your stored food last longer then go a day or two without eating anything.  Then have a feast for a day or two.

    Carbs will only make you more hungry and are not necessary for survival. (although it's not bad to supplement with them)
    I've been watching this guy and Dr. Berg on Youtube for a couple years now.  Excellent information.  I've followed their advice and knocked out all my health problems and dropped my extra weight. I'm growing my own veg, got chickens and pressure can my own meat and butter.  I just wonder how we're going to continue when things get really bad.  A lot of chickens don't know how to sit on their eggs and bring them to life because it's been bred out of them.  Lots to think about.   


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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #23 on: August 01, 2021, 09:42:06 PM »
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  • That is good to know, I wasn't aware.  I hate to be a slave to brand names, but when you buy brands, at least you know what you're getting.  Money's too hard to come by, to buy garbage in the name of saving a few pennies.

    Aldi has a whole lexicon of made-up "brand names", some of which are just cheesy --- for instance, "Burman's" mayonnaise instead of "Hellmann's", blue label is almost identical. (I cannot eat mayonnaise.  The mere thought makes me gag.)   Aldi is more good than bad, but they try too hard sometimes.  Their frozen pizzas and sausages are amazing.  The cheese is kind of bland but still okay.  Lidl carries more brand names.
    Yea, I'm leaning toward the name brands for now, or canning what I can.  Seems the name brands have more to lose and for that reason, more trustworthy?  I still buy Aldi stuff because a lot of it is quite good.  Just watch long term storage with their canned goods.  

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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #24 on: August 02, 2021, 02:03:57 AM »
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  • I actually like Walmart's Great Value equivalent of Spam better than the Armour brand, and it's cheaper.  I always keep a can in my cupboard.

    It is meat, and it is protein.  I never cease to be amazed at how these food-storage programs (including those that seem to be oriented, at least implicitly, towards Mormon prepping) offer so, so many sugars and carbohydrates, and relatively little protein.  Think --- how much cereal, macaroni, rice, pancake preparations, and so on, can you eat?  For my sugar situation, that would be a nightmare.  I eat protein and lots of it.  In fact, my nurse-dietitian told me "you don't eat enough carbohydrate, you're making your body look for sugar in all that protein".
    I'll have to try the Walmart equivalent. I always wonder why they have those sugary drinks, when it's 10 degrees outside and I'm chopping wood to keep the house warm I need meat. I especially don't buy into the propaganda against meat fats, they want our families weak and dependent. If you just buy beef and chicken whenever it's on a deep sale and can it up you are going to make it, just have rice as calories. Ideally you eat meat only but I think it's just not realistic for most of us, especially when we have big families.
    Yea, I'm leaning toward the name brands for now, or canning what I can.  Seems the name brands have more to lose and for that reason, more trustworthy?  I still buy Aldi stuff because a lot of it is quite good.  Just watch long term storage with their canned goods.  
    IDK if you use Tattler lids but definitely check those out... You cut down significantly on your cost basis for each session as the lids are reusable and if you just buy tons of extra seals you just change those when they get too messed up. They are a little tricky (definitely watch some tutorials and do your research) but I am slowly shifting away from my metal lid stockpile to only these. The quality control on metal lids is going down the drain quick, I get a couple of failures per box even with perfect headspace which adds up quick, especially when you have to run another batch or do a small batch to cover failures.
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    Re: Report - lσcкdσωn coming 2nd week of August
    « Reply #25 on: August 02, 2021, 06:22:57 PM »
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  • The other thing people need to think about is the prep and cleaning involved with consuming their stored foods.

    I don't know that we will be able to just cook up some pancakes.

    What if your water/electric/gas is shut off?  Will you be able to cook?  Will you be able to wash your plates and pans?

    If you have a well and your electricity is shut off will you have easy access to water?

    If you have to haul water or only use what you have stored, you won't want to wash dishes or pans.

    It's good to have canned foods you can just open and eat.

    Also plastic spoons that don't have to be washed.