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Offline poche

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« on: May 09, 2014, 03:38:23 AM »
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  • Church officials must be careful not to become obstacles to the process of evangelization, Pope Francis said in his homily on May 8.

    Reflecting on the conversation between St. Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch, the Pope told the congregation at Domus Sanctae Marthae that there are three essential elements of evangelization: docility to the Spirit, dialogue, and trust in God’s grace.

    Without docility, the Pope said, the would-be evangelist ends up “announcing himself.” Without dialogue, he continued, evangelization is simply impossible. And without trust in grace, an institution of the Church can become “a factory to create obstacles so people can’t obtain grace.”


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21351

    Are you an obstacle to evangelization?


    Offline TKGS

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    Obstacle to Evangelization
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2014, 05:23:23 AM »
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  • This guy is certainly double-minded.  The biggest obstacle to evangelization during the past few decades is the Conciliar sect!

    Their bishops and popes have been actively discouraging conversions every chance they have.  This current fellow has officially taught that the Jєωs can be saved as Jєωs.  The head of the CDF says that Catholic doctrine forbids evangelizing Jєωs.

    I guess the schedule called for him to say something that sounded Catholic in order to fool the people in advance of changing marriage doctrine in October.


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    Obstacle to Evangelization
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2014, 03:20:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Church officials must be careful not to become obstacles to the process of evangelization, Pope Francis said in his homily on May 8.

    Reflecting on the conversation between St. Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch, the Pope told the congregation at Domus Sanctae Marthae that there are three essential elements of evangelization: docility to the Spirit, dialogue, and trust in God’s grace.

    Without docility, the Pope said, the would-be evangelist ends up “announcing himself.” Without dialogue, he continued, evangelization is simply impossible. And without trust in grace, an institution of the Church can become “a factory to create obstacles so people can’t obtain grace.”


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21351

    Are you an obstacle to evangelization?


     He denies the mission and nature of the Church. Also, the consequences of sin in regards to a sacramental life.

     I'm glad he is making himself known.

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    Obstacle to Evangelization
    « Reply #3 on: May 09, 2014, 10:06:10 PM »
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  • Why is Frank concerned about obstacles to evangelization?  After all, "proselytizing is solemn nonsense."

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    « Reply #4 on: May 11, 2014, 11:10:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    This guy is certainly double-minded.  The biggest obstacle to evangelization during the past few decades is the Conciliar sect!

    Their bishops and popes have been actively discouraging conversions every chance they have.  This current fellow has officially taught that the Jєωs can be saved as Jєωs.  The head of the CDF says that Catholic doctrine forbids evangelizing Jєωs.



    If this were true how do you account for the worldwide growth of the Catholcic Church from around 500 million at the time of the Council to todays over 1 billion?  


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    « Reply #5 on: May 11, 2014, 11:15:25 PM »
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    Why is Frank concerned about obstacles to evangelization?  After all, "proselytizing is solemn nonsense."


    From the Gospel of St Matthew;
    18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__PW1.HTM

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    « Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014, 09:57:36 AM »
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    This guy is certainly double-minded.  The biggest obstacle to evangelization during the past few decades is the Conciliar sect!


    If this were true how do you account for the worldwide growth of the Catholcic Church from around 500 million at the time of the Council to todays over 1 billion?


    While I don't have all the statistics since the council, according Georgetown University, the total world-wide population of Catholics (at least those who claim to be Catholic) has dropped from 18% of the world to 17% since 1970.

    The total number of priests over that same period has dropped by 7,492; and for religious sisters and brothers the drop is 307,112 (in absolute numbers).

    Source:  http://cara.georgetown.edu/caraservices/requestedchurchstats.html

    So, it would seem that the growth in absolute numbers in entirely due to demographics and not due to evangelization.  

    Of course, there are no statistics that actually measure the number of any of these groupings that actually hod the Catholic faith.  In fact, there was a Voris episode recently posted on this forum in which Voris cited a survey in which the survey found absolutely NO Catholics (presumably in the Conciliar church) ages 18-25 that they could classify as "devout".

    This is how I account for the so-called "world-wide growth".  Sorry, poche, but what you think is growth is merely a figment of your imagination.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 13, 2014, 01:58:42 PM »
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    This guy is certainly double-minded.  The biggest obstacle to evangelization during the past few decades is the Conciliar sect!

    Their bishops and popes have been actively discouraging conversions every chance they have.  This current fellow has officially taught that the Jєωs can be saved as Jєωs.  The head of the CDF says that Catholic doctrine forbids evangelizing Jєωs.



    If this were true how do you account for the worldwide growth of the Catholcic Church from around 500 million at the time of the Council to todays over 1 billion?  


    Overall growth in population explains this.  

    There are, what? - six billion people alive on the planet today whereas at the time of the council I think world population was in the 3 billion zone.

    The U.S. has 300 million today whereas in the 1930's in was in the 137 million range.

    Population growth due to technological and medical breakthroughs.